"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

My AA 20 year old princess was "the" hottest girl in her high school. Period. When I met her she barely knew what sex was. But over time due to her winning personality I have loosened the virgin grip she had on me and slowly introduced her to what a real man needs to be happy. And no, she didn't have the bad attitude you refer to in your post which is why I hung in there till things got better. So lets all be grateful for what we've got. And if you really want those super hotties then you better be ready to spend and spend and spend.

One last statement. I have always been willing to sacrifice a little in the looks dept to get with a girl with a banging body and that knows how to use it (or is willing to be trained).

[HollywoodGuy]

If you have been reading any of my posts for the last few months. You know I somewhat of a theory about what I consider one of the illnesses of our society the "hot chick" she is a special concoction of the times we live in. Completely self absorbed, selfish, and self centered, all at the same time. Inconsiderate, aloof mean, and no value to anyone other than their looks. And sadly enough pursued by both women and men. Well today I had a M&G with a really awesome young lady who is very good looking ans sexy and interesting, and not a hot chick, but her friend is a hot chick and got her SD from the SDforme site.

So she proceeded to tell me the insiders view of this particular hot chick. First I have to say that my girl or soon to be girl. Is really cool and down to earth and does not approve of the whole hot chick thing.

So a couple of things she told me. Her friend met her guy online and within two months, she had this idiot millionaire dude spend over $20 k on her. She demands that every time they meet from the first time to the last he must give her a gift including the money. She does not give him head, does not do anything fun in the sack, no experimental stuff, only one pop per session. He is a busy man, but if she texts him and he does not text back. She gets mad and gives him shit. What would possess a mature successful very wealthy man to put up with this shit? Looks? Thats it. Are you fucking kidding me?

I think I would go celibate before I ever ever put up with that shit. Now don't get me wrong I have had these pots and babies treat me wrong more than once. But at least I don't stick around. I am out of there.

Anyway when she complained to my girl about her SD not texting her back right away, my girl told her to just look at her $900 boots.

Amazingly no one talks about this. And it is like a disease in our society.

Thats a view from the other side of the bowl.

Revvo.

A prostitute is a girl that takes money in exchange for sex from multiple men she is unattracted to, and engages in sex acts that do not turn her on. (and may have items not on the menu that may seem quite normal to you)

A sugar baby is a girl that is compensated for her time by men (usually one at a time) that she is attracted to... And only has sex that she is turned on by. (but will usually do things out of her comfort zone to please her man)

Just a statement I came up with a while back for a first time SB that felt a little funny (in a bad way) about what we were doing. I won't regale you here of the insanely over the top stories I am aware of and have witnessed in L.A. and N.Y. of guys spending 10k to 50k a night to party with multiple girls. Whats the point? The reality is there are some very wealthy people in this world that like to show off. There are also some very wealthy people with very low self esteem when it comes to the dating scene. Combine the two and you have a recipe for over compensation. Does it really affect our ability to get what we want? A little, but not much.

And lets not even talk about the closeted rich gay men that spend insane money on model quality girls to cover up their fear of being outed. I personally know of two such men and have seen them spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep up this charade as they are industry leaders in their respective fields and their careers would absolutely be diminished if anyone knew the truth about their sexuality.

In L.A. if I truly only wanted to date 10+ looking girls with GPS it would cost me about 10k or so a month. Not really an unreasonable amount for what you would be getting in the looks department. As far as what you would be getting in the sex skills department. (Now to generalize) It's pretty much a fact that the hotter a girl is the less sex she has and the less she worries about her skills which has the overall effect of making them far less skilled than a girl with looks in the 8 range. In that range the competition is fierce and the results in the bedroom bear that out.

I once dated a 10 and she was terrible in bed and she knew it. One day she was just laying in bed naked and said "whats wrong, your dick isn't hard". I told her straight up after seeing hundreds of naked girls, if that was her idea of foreplay she would never be in a LTR, because after the thrill of seeing her perfect face and body became commonplace, it was going to come down to some serious cock worship to keep me interested. She said I was hard to please and that most guys would jump at the chance to bone her, dead fish skills or not.

I could go on and on. But a 10+ pillow princess may be fun for a few romps (especially when you have your tongue in their pussy and you are looking up at their perfect body and face), but in the long term its the smoldering, sexy 7's, 8's and nines that take me to the finish line every time.

One last statement. I have always been willing to sacrifice a little in the looks dept to get with a girl with a banging body and that knows how to use it. My AA 20 year old princess is a perfect example. She was "the" hottest girl in her high school. Period. When I met her she barely knew what sex was. But over time due to her winning personality I have loosened the virgin grip she had on me and slowly introduced her to what a real man needs to be happy. And no, she didn't have the bad attitude you refer to in your post which is why I hung in there till things got better. So lets all be grateful for what we've got. And if you really want those super hotties then you better be ready to spend and spend and spend.

[Revvo]

If you have been reading any of my posts for the last few months. You know I somewhat of a theory about what I consider one of the illnesses of our society the "hot chick" she is a special concoction of the times we live in. Completely self absorbed, selfish, and self centered, all at the same time. Inconsiderate, aloof mean, and no value to anyone other than their looks. And sadly enough pursued by both women and men. Well today I had a M&G with a really awesome young lady who is very good looking ans sexy and interesting, and not a hot chick, but her friend is a hot chick and got her SD from the SDforme site.

So she proceeded to tell me the insiders view of this particular hot chick. First I have to say that my girl or soon to be girl. Is really cool and down to earth and does not approve of the whole hot chick thing.

So a couple of things she told me. Her friend met her guy online and within two months, she had this idiot millionaire dude spend over $20 k on her. She demands that every time they meet from the first time to the last he must give her a gift including the money. She does not give him head, does not do anything fun in the sack, no experimental stuff, only one pop per session. He is a busy man, but if she texts him and he does not text back. She gets mad and gives him shit. What would possess a mature successful very wealthy man to put up with this shit? Looks? Thats it. Are you fucking kidding me?

I think I would go celibate before I ever ever put up with that shit. Now don't get me wrong I have had these pots and babies treat me wrong more than once. But at least I don't stick around. I am out of there.

Anyway when she complained to my girl about her SD not texting her back right away, my girl told her to just look at her $900 boots.

Amazingly no one talks about this. And it is like a disease in our society.

Thats a view from the other side of the bowl.

Revvo.

[JZLizard]

A lot of you guys here don't know me yet, so apologies if I'm intruding. I'm really not a serial SD (wish I was sometimes) due to being in a long-term relationship that's satisfying enough that I don't want to mess it up. She travels sometimes, which leaves me in a state of boredom I don't want, and for my tastes escorts seem too easy, and chasing top notch strippers for takeout is fun and challenging but does not produce results 100% of the time, so I discovered sugar babies as kind of a middle ground.

Then as I cruised the website, I got this sense of deja vu, like I had been there before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlHZNMH5KA

[FredMoore]

I signed up out of curiosity for SD Today and for Richmond there are only a few girls available who have logged on lately. Slim pickins. NOVA / DC seems to have more if you are in that area.

[KrustyDawg7]

Hi everyone,

I don't have so much wild activity as some of the rest of you, but like to drop by and share my experiences either for your amusement, or education. Someone mentioned here if the forum members were in Virginia or Richmond. I'm in VA but west of RVA. Some of you are not in VA, but it matters little because your contributions are worthwhile regardless. I don't know of another forum like this one on USASG, and it's one of the best on this site.

As an older guy (over55) and having been at the SD / SB sites for just a year or so, I'd say that I wish I had started earlier. Chasing down the elusive sugarbaby (s) is a challenge but is a lot more satisfying in the long run to escorts and the like. I like a little more personal involvement with a girl than you get in a quickie appointment. But I can't handle 2 or 3 a day like some of you young guys, plus I have other things going on in life, even as a single guy with no SO. I have joined the various SD and SA web sites, but find that in my area the SB offerings are pretty limited, and many profiles have not been active in months. Typically I pay up for 3 months and "mine" the site then go on to one of the others. The latest is SDToday which is free, but not much is available within a reasonable distance for me.

If you sent out a bunch of emails or winks and are lucky to get a response, then it is time to weed out the flakes. A couple I have been working on lately have not yet led to a M&G let alone a trip to the FC. One promising hottie MILF has had a string of family issues for over a month. She know I'm still interested and eventually I hope to meet her. Another cute MILF about 50 miles from me (see a pattern here.I like them a bit older than 25-30) exchanged emails and it looked like we were about to set up a M&G and "poof" her profile disappears. Since I have her off-site email I'll drop her a line in a few days and maybe she will come around. In the meantime I still have my weekly fun time with my pretty SB who has been fairly steady for about 6 months. It's always nice to have a "backup".

-krusty.

[CaneBay]

First off, thanks to the brotherhood for all of the insight and tips. This site has been a huge help. I decided to try the free site, SDT, to start. I wanted to get some trial runs down and work on my email / texting with the young POTS. I have been working the site for a couple of weeks. Sent about 10 emails, received responses from 5. Working on meet and greets with 2 of them and have already met one 19 SB. Ready to go. I was running late so ended up being a car date and great oral skills for a 19 yr. Old. Had another meet and greet set up that night, but she poofed. Was told she got the days mixed up. We will see next time I am in that town, but I will have another date set up and she will be the back up.

I just signed up with WYP site and seems very promising. Free to join, small cost once a date is accepted. I have 4 meet and greets set up so far. I only wink at profiles that specially have SD / SB in them. I have only accepted $50 dates as a meet and greet. Once the date is accepted you get access for direct contact. This is where I have been setting up and prequalifying the date. Will post and let you know how these work out.

I am in my early 40's and travel with work from Lexington, KY to Atlanta, GA. Not setting up any meet and greets in my home town, too risky with my SO. I travel 1-3 days a week and gives me a great opportunity to play. I have set up a false identity and only use gift visas to pay for sites. So far so good.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been courting this 25 year old white girl for over a year that I met on SD4M. We finally came to an arrangement of $.3 per visit. Which consists of 2 days and one night once a week. About 5' 7' and 115 lbs. I just met her at a bad time, but now her life has changed (for the better) and we can finally be together. She is friendly with my roommate and aware of my other girls. I have agreed to call her my girlfriend and I will be her only boyfriend. Middle class, good job, model looks and drives a new luxury car. For now I give her a 9/9/9/7 until she picks up her skills. Which she is anxious to do now that she has settled on the right guy.

I have agreed to go a little slow knowing there is a future with this girl. She hasn't dated anyone in 4 years due to a bad prior relationship. A lot of work on my end, and at one point I deleted all her contact info until she just showed up at my door a couple weeks ago. Sometimes patience is a virtue.

[LoudThunder]

Thanks gw. I thought it was something like that.

[Revvo]

So remember when I said that I have been having amazing success with my search lately. Lots of POTs responding and contacting me. And yes that is true. Matter of fact as of last Thursday I was talking with no less than 9 POTs! Now you don't have to tell me this is excessive. But I could not say no besides I knew that in a couple of weeks there would be many less. But I did not expect it would be this strange and this quick. LOL Since then of those 9 POTs there are only two maybe three left. They seem to self destruct right before my eyes. But let me just share a couple of stories for your entertainment. Just because they are so fucking weird.

First I had been talking with this very cute MILF online. She contacted me and was serious. Good communicator, blond, 36 YO big titties blond intelligent fun, not perfect but very attractive and really into me which is so important, and good to go. I give her a 7/8/10/? . Relly fun to talk with really cool. Very sexy and a giver. She talked very openly and honestly about sex once I got her out of her shell. This was looking really good. She had a car and a house and kids but lived a little far away. But she could drive to me I could drive to her. And she was ready for the dick.

So we finally meet and she is dressed really nice and we hit it off really well. After lunch I suggest we get a hotel and make this shit happen. And she is happily on board. I have a rule that I never make the hotel reservation before hand because of all of the flaking possibilities. And lucky for me I did not. Right about the time I pulled out my phone to book a room. She gets a text on her phone from her live in boyfriend. She shows it to me and it says. "we need to talk". She calls him real quick and he knows she is at the restaurant we are at. And he is a police officer! Not good. So she does not seem visibly shaken or worried. But she is concerned and told me she needs to take care of this. So I walk her to her car and bid her farewell and we have a nice kiss. That was about 24 hours ago. Complete silence ever since. I think someone in the restaurant spotted her and me together and called him. Now the doo doo has hit the fan. I may never hear from her. I am going to give her some space but. She has never not responded before. Such a waste of time and effort and waste of my anticipation. Sucks.

Second. I got contacted by another POT about 5 days ago. So cute and such a cute attitude. A little baby doll who really seemed serious and ready to get together. She was incredibly sexy and fun. At least this is what I thought. Great communicator she was very concerned about honesty and I took this as a good sign. She was not overly concerned about money just wanted to go shopping every once in a while and she was also a giver. And she was really into me. My rating before we met was 9/8/10/? . After we met 6/5/4/? . Man these fucking women can lie. She is 18 YO Latina and her profile says she is average body type. Bullshit! She has an ok face and a fat body. So the morning we are supposed to meet at 10 AM. She texts me saying she is running late and will be 15 minutes late. She is working on her makeup and getting dressed. I said no problem I have a few emails to do I will wait. Besides I can call another POT and see is she is cool and not a total liar. So 30 minutes later she is texting me saying she is still getting ready. I am already there I will wait a little more.

Ten minutes later she calls me crying saying that another SD candidate she was previously talking to is threatening her and harassing her she is freaking out. The guy want to go to her house and tell her parents and go to her work and tell also. Just to fuck her up. So 1 1/2 hours late she comes up to our meeting spot she is driving her parents Land Rover and I find that she lives in a very nice neighborhood. She is dressed in sweats and not nice ones, and has no makeup on looks like shit totally disheveled and is about 30 lbs overweight. At that moment I decided no fucking way. She sits down and we talk and she is still crying. I got her talking a lot. Come to find out she had 15 potential SDs on the line and supposedly I was the last one left. Since she weeded out all the other ones. I did not tell her at the time that she sure as fuck did not have me. But I was curious about her new found stalker. So she shows me his text string. And just from the morning. Gentlemen this was fucking bizarre. I cannot express to you how strange this was. The bad grammar, the misspelled words that strange lovelorn pattern where he has one text that says he loves her (keep in mind that he has never actually met her in person LOL) and the very next text he is going to destroy her. It was so weird. And right there in black and white is her texts earlier in the morning still promising to see him the next day. But towards the end of the string I guess he just got too weird and he freaked out on her and she freaked out in fear. But it was not until near the end. I had a little conversation with her about how to protect herself a little and cut off communication with him and he most likely will never do nothing. That is why he is threatening on text. And to call the police if he does. Then I told her. You are playing a dangerous game here young lady. You are on a site with multiple strangers and then you string along 15 different guys with all kinds of promises, and you have no anonymity since they all know your full name and your real phone number. Who knows she probably liked the attention. She was probably a mediocre little fat girl in high school and now she can get all of this attention. Well she got some attention. LOL.

All I could think is. What a pair of fuckups. This is what I have been talking to for five days. What a waste.

Where the hell are the normal women? I am telling you if someone can develop a rating system to separate the freaks from the normal. I would buy it today.

What a fucking waste. I am disgusted with the human sewage that trades on these SD sites. The anonymity of it all protects these freaks from the honest light of day.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[Mlboriole]

Anyone else have to track all their responses in a spreadsheet, like sales leads? I had so many SBs reach back out to me today, I couldn't keep track and forgot what I had to do next.

I'm glad all my sales lead mgmt skills came in handy today.

Report after my business trip after.

I am new to the SD / Sb scene and got involved due to this forum. I live in central VA and joined the SA and SD sites. I am going through the meet and greet phase and have learned the hard way to be more selective as my first experience was not good. If you know any sweet sb needing extra help please share and I will do likewise. Thanks!

[Flirting Guy]

Anyone else have to track all their responses in a spreadsheet, like sales leads? I had so many SBs reach back out to me today, I couldn't keep track and forgot what I had to do next.

I'm glad all my sales lead mgmt skills came in handy today.

Report after my business trip after.

[Member #5055]

FC = Fuck Chamber.

HYB = Hot Young Body (I think).

BTY = By the way.

VA = Virginia.

GW.

Hey guys,

What is definition of FC.

What is definintion of HYB.

Thanks,

BTY I am located in the mountains of VA.

[LoudThunder]

Hey guys,

What is definition of FC.

What is definintion of HYB.

Thanks,

BTY I am located in the mountains of VA.

[LoudThunder]

Hey everybody, just found this thread and spent the last couple of days catching up. I have been in the sugar world for a couple of years. Will tell more about my experiences later but thought I would share this story while it was fresh in my mind.

Several months ago I had noticed a new profile come up not to far from my home. I have been on the search for a SB who can meet during the day, and can host. If she has these attributes, I could overlook some extra pounds of flesh, or a few tattoos, etc. So I decided to give Liz a try. She has just posted her profile on a sugar site.

We messaged a few times, she wanted to know how much I would give her. I told her that would have to wait until we met in person. We set up a meet, and to make a long story short, she keep emailing me telling me she was running late and would be there in a few minutes etc. After about an hour of waiting for her in a restaurant parking lot I messaged her that the meeting was off.

A couple of weeks ago Liz emailed me and wanted to try to meet again. I told her she would have to send me some pictures to show what she looked at. She said she would have to see one of me first, and I complied. Days went by and I asked where her photos were. She said her phone was broken, and that she would send some in a day when she got her new phone. After two weeks I messaged her and asked if her phone was still broken. She said she would send me something soon. I forgot about it, and then out of the blue showed up some photos of her that showed a fairly good body, one that I could accept anyway.

She was now pressing me for a meeting, so we set up something for Sunday AM. After some graphic texting we decided that we would consummate our relationship that day if the chemistry was right.

That Sunday morning I texted her to make sure we were still on. No response, I was giving it up because I hadn't heard from her and it was almost time to meet. Then she texted me and said she would be a little late. There after I keep getting messages from her saying she was on her way. One message said she had been stopped by a cop and had gotten a ticket because she was hurrying to meet meet me. Finally one hour and 15 minutes late she texted me and told me her location which was still 10 minutes away.

She finally got there 90 minutes late. We were meeting in a parking lot, and when she got out of her car, it was quickly apparent that the photos she had sent me were 50 pounds and years ago. She climbed into the car and and we went for a short drive. I had already taken the blue pill and decided to see what she would say to my $100 offer. She took a moment and said she couldn't do it for that. (I quietly rejoiced as I was regretting this whole episode. Told her that was all I was offering, drove her back to her car and gave her $20 for gas.

I was still horny, so I called up my back up back page girl and gave her $60 plus a $10 tip.

That's what I call bad sugar.