"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[CaneBay]

First off, thanks to the brotherhood for all of the insight and tips. This site has been a huge help. I decided to try the free site, SDT, to start. I wanted to get some trial runs down and work on my email / texting with the young POTS. I have been working the site for a couple of weeks. Sent about 10 emails, received responses from 5. Working on meet and greets with 2 of them and have already met one 19 SB. Ready to go. I was running late so ended up being a car date and great oral skills for a 19 yr. Old. Had another meet and greet set up that night, but she poofed. Was told she got the days mixed up. We will see next time I am in that town, but I will have another date set up and she will be the back up.

I just signed up with WYP site and seems very promising. Free to join, small cost once a date is accepted. I have 4 meet and greets set up so far. I only wink at profiles that specially have SD / SB in them. I have only accepted $50 dates as a meet and greet. Once the date is accepted you get access for direct contact. This is where I have been setting up and prequalifying the date. Will post and let you know how these work out.

I am in my early 40's and travel with work from Lexington, KY to Atlanta, GA. Not setting up any meet and greets in my home town, too risky with my SO. I travel 1-3 days a week and gives me a great opportunity to play. I have set up a false identity and only use gift visas to pay for sites. So far so good.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been courting this 25 year old white girl for over a year that I met on SD4M. We finally came to an arrangement of $.3 per visit. Which consists of 2 days and one night once a week. About 5' 7' and 115 lbs. I just met her at a bad time, but now her life has changed (for the better) and we can finally be together. She is friendly with my roommate and aware of my other girls. I have agreed to call her my girlfriend and I will be her only boyfriend. Middle class, good job, model looks and drives a new luxury car. For now I give her a 9/9/9/7 until she picks up her skills. Which she is anxious to do now that she has settled on the right guy.

I have agreed to go a little slow knowing there is a future with this girl. She hasn't dated anyone in 4 years due to a bad prior relationship. A lot of work on my end, and at one point I deleted all her contact info until she just showed up at my door a couple weeks ago. Sometimes patience is a virtue.

[LoudThunder]

Thanks gw. I thought it was something like that.

[Revvo]

So remember when I said that I have been having amazing success with my search lately. Lots of POTs responding and contacting me. And yes that is true. Matter of fact as of last Thursday I was talking with no less than 9 POTs! Now you don't have to tell me this is excessive. But I could not say no besides I knew that in a couple of weeks there would be many less. But I did not expect it would be this strange and this quick. LOL Since then of those 9 POTs there are only two maybe three left. They seem to self destruct right before my eyes. But let me just share a couple of stories for your entertainment. Just because they are so fucking weird.

First I had been talking with this very cute MILF online. She contacted me and was serious. Good communicator, blond, 36 YO big titties blond intelligent fun, not perfect but very attractive and really into me which is so important, and good to go. I give her a 7/8/10/? . Relly fun to talk with really cool. Very sexy and a giver. She talked very openly and honestly about sex once I got her out of her shell. This was looking really good. She had a car and a house and kids but lived a little far away. But she could drive to me I could drive to her. And she was ready for the dick.

So we finally meet and she is dressed really nice and we hit it off really well. After lunch I suggest we get a hotel and make this shit happen. And she is happily on board. I have a rule that I never make the hotel reservation before hand because of all of the flaking possibilities. And lucky for me I did not. Right about the time I pulled out my phone to book a room. She gets a text on her phone from her live in boyfriend. She shows it to me and it says. "we need to talk". She calls him real quick and he knows she is at the restaurant we are at. And he is a police officer! Not good. So she does not seem visibly shaken or worried. But she is concerned and told me she needs to take care of this. So I walk her to her car and bid her farewell and we have a nice kiss. That was about 24 hours ago. Complete silence ever since. I think someone in the restaurant spotted her and me together and called him. Now the doo doo has hit the fan. I may never hear from her. I am going to give her some space but. She has never not responded before. Such a waste of time and effort and waste of my anticipation. Sucks.

Second. I got contacted by another POT about 5 days ago. So cute and such a cute attitude. A little baby doll who really seemed serious and ready to get together. She was incredibly sexy and fun. At least this is what I thought. Great communicator she was very concerned about honesty and I took this as a good sign. She was not overly concerned about money just wanted to go shopping every once in a while and she was also a giver. And she was really into me. My rating before we met was 9/8/10/? . After we met 6/5/4/? . Man these fucking women can lie. She is 18 YO Latina and her profile says she is average body type. Bullshit! She has an ok face and a fat body. So the morning we are supposed to meet at 10 AM. She texts me saying she is running late and will be 15 minutes late. She is working on her makeup and getting dressed. I said no problem I have a few emails to do I will wait. Besides I can call another POT and see is she is cool and not a total liar. So 30 minutes later she is texting me saying she is still getting ready. I am already there I will wait a little more.

Ten minutes later she calls me crying saying that another SD candidate she was previously talking to is threatening her and harassing her she is freaking out. The guy want to go to her house and tell her parents and go to her work and tell also. Just to fuck her up. So 1 1/2 hours late she comes up to our meeting spot she is driving her parents Land Rover and I find that she lives in a very nice neighborhood. She is dressed in sweats and not nice ones, and has no makeup on looks like shit totally disheveled and is about 30 lbs overweight. At that moment I decided no fucking way. She sits down and we talk and she is still crying. I got her talking a lot. Come to find out she had 15 potential SDs on the line and supposedly I was the last one left. Since she weeded out all the other ones. I did not tell her at the time that she sure as fuck did not have me. But I was curious about her new found stalker. So she shows me his text string. And just from the morning. Gentlemen this was fucking bizarre. I cannot express to you how strange this was. The bad grammar, the misspelled words that strange lovelorn pattern where he has one text that says he loves her (keep in mind that he has never actually met her in person LOL) and the very next text he is going to destroy her. It was so weird. And right there in black and white is her texts earlier in the morning still promising to see him the next day. But towards the end of the string I guess he just got too weird and he freaked out on her and she freaked out in fear. But it was not until near the end. I had a little conversation with her about how to protect herself a little and cut off communication with him and he most likely will never do nothing. That is why he is threatening on text. And to call the police if he does. Then I told her. You are playing a dangerous game here young lady. You are on a site with multiple strangers and then you string along 15 different guys with all kinds of promises, and you have no anonymity since they all know your full name and your real phone number. Who knows she probably liked the attention. She was probably a mediocre little fat girl in high school and now she can get all of this attention. Well she got some attention. LOL.

All I could think is. What a pair of fuckups. This is what I have been talking to for five days. What a waste.

Where the hell are the normal women? I am telling you if someone can develop a rating system to separate the freaks from the normal. I would buy it today.

What a fucking waste. I am disgusted with the human sewage that trades on these SD sites. The anonymity of it all protects these freaks from the honest light of day.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[Mlboriole]

Anyone else have to track all their responses in a spreadsheet, like sales leads? I had so many SBs reach back out to me today, I couldn't keep track and forgot what I had to do next.

I'm glad all my sales lead mgmt skills came in handy today.

Report after my business trip after.

I am new to the SD / Sb scene and got involved due to this forum. I live in central VA and joined the SA and SD sites. I am going through the meet and greet phase and have learned the hard way to be more selective as my first experience was not good. If you know any sweet sb needing extra help please share and I will do likewise. Thanks!

[Flirting Guy]

Anyone else have to track all their responses in a spreadsheet, like sales leads? I had so many SBs reach back out to me today, I couldn't keep track and forgot what I had to do next.

I'm glad all my sales lead mgmt skills came in handy today.

Report after my business trip after.

[Member #5055]

FC = Fuck Chamber.

HYB = Hot Young Body (I think).

BTY = By the way.

VA = Virginia.

GW.

Hey guys,

What is definition of FC.

What is definintion of HYB.

Thanks,

BTY I am located in the mountains of VA.

[LoudThunder]

Hey guys,

What is definition of FC.

What is definintion of HYB.

Thanks,

BTY I am located in the mountains of VA.

[LoudThunder]

Hey everybody, just found this thread and spent the last couple of days catching up. I have been in the sugar world for a couple of years. Will tell more about my experiences later but thought I would share this story while it was fresh in my mind.

Several months ago I had noticed a new profile come up not to far from my home. I have been on the search for a SB who can meet during the day, and can host. If she has these attributes, I could overlook some extra pounds of flesh, or a few tattoos, etc. So I decided to give Liz a try. She has just posted her profile on a sugar site.

We messaged a few times, she wanted to know how much I would give her. I told her that would have to wait until we met in person. We set up a meet, and to make a long story short, she keep emailing me telling me she was running late and would be there in a few minutes etc. After about an hour of waiting for her in a restaurant parking lot I messaged her that the meeting was off.

A couple of weeks ago Liz emailed me and wanted to try to meet again. I told her she would have to send me some pictures to show what she looked at. She said she would have to see one of me first, and I complied. Days went by and I asked where her photos were. She said her phone was broken, and that she would send some in a day when she got her new phone. After two weeks I messaged her and asked if her phone was still broken. She said she would send me something soon. I forgot about it, and then out of the blue showed up some photos of her that showed a fairly good body, one that I could accept anyway.

She was now pressing me for a meeting, so we set up something for Sunday AM. After some graphic texting we decided that we would consummate our relationship that day if the chemistry was right.

That Sunday morning I texted her to make sure we were still on. No response, I was giving it up because I hadn't heard from her and it was almost time to meet. Then she texted me and said she would be a little late. There after I keep getting messages from her saying she was on her way. One message said she had been stopped by a cop and had gotten a ticket because she was hurrying to meet meet me. Finally one hour and 15 minutes late she texted me and told me her location which was still 10 minutes away.

She finally got there 90 minutes late. We were meeting in a parking lot, and when she got out of her car, it was quickly apparent that the photos she had sent me were 50 pounds and years ago. She climbed into the car and and we went for a short drive. I had already taken the blue pill and decided to see what she would say to my $100 offer. She took a moment and said she couldn't do it for that. (I quietly rejoiced as I was regretting this whole episode. Told her that was all I was offering, drove her back to her car and gave her $20 for gas.

I was still horny, so I called up my back up back page girl and gave her $60 plus a $10 tip.

That's what I call bad sugar.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Odd, that pulls up someone called "Lovinglife" out of Sydney, Australia. Is that the right one? If there was one I'd warn you about it would be a particular 23 yo blue eyed-blonde that's super hot, but a bit psycho / crazy. PM for her #.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...php?id=1655973

Her profile number is 1655973.

I am based in RVA.

[Flirting Guy]

How many of us are actually in RVA?

[Flirting Guy]

Friends.

Someone did PM me about VCU girl named Hannah. (165593) Be careful and stay away. She is back on SA site.

Had 2 SBs recently, but not that great of experience. So coming back to look for new ones.

Odd, that pulls up someone called "Lovinglife" out of Sydney, Australia. Is that the right one? If there was one I'd warn you about it would be a particular 23 yo blue eyed-blonde that's super hot, but a bit psycho / crazy. PM for her #.

[SubCmdr]

For the most part I am not attracted to woman in my age range (I am 50). I prefer women that are at least ten years younger than me. And I've gotten very picky about body type. I happen to be in great shape and expect a woman to maintain her attractiveness also no matter what her age. Settling into the single life after a period of nearly 15 years of serial domestication. I'm no longer interested in doing time in sex prison. If given a choice. I'the actually rather sit on a desert island (sex wise).

Venturing into the world of civi dating has been very disappointing. Women in their 40's and 50's that are old, ugly, fat and have very bad attitudes. They think their pussy is worth way more than it really is in the market place. Demands for serious relationships and jumping through hoops like a trained seal. No thank you!

So the sugar world is female paradise for me. Tons of young attractive sexual women in good shape ready to give you pussy. There are worse problems to have. I'm calling into question my need to pay for sex. I've been going though some introspection and internal review. I have no revelations to report. But I'm slightly altering my approach to the sugar world.

Been in a slump. Here is my three month report:

November.

Celebrated my birthday with my favorite hot Mexican Mommi (26). Source: SD4 m. Saw her about a half dozen times at $. Wanted a raise and did one visit at 2 x $ Told her that was unsustainable and we came to a new agreement of $.4. She also wanted to date. Wasn't feeling her anymore. Cut her loose.

SO visited (39). Good times. Sex is still good. Frequency is down. Quality is still up and great oral skills. But WAY too expensive. My CPO with her is so high I don't even calculate it.

December.

45 year old MILF. Source: SA; Pictures were very attractive. White, short blonde hair, good body. Received a shock at her bad teeth upon meeting her. Met for coffee then straight to the FC. Where I was pleasantly surprised. Got her on a orgasmic wave that lasted for a couple of hours. And she was eager to take care of me too. Spent about three hours total. Tea from Starbucks and .6 in spending money.

She asked if I would see her again and said I wasn't sure. After letting her stew a couple of days I told her I would not see her anymore if she needed me to give her money. She said she liked hanging out with me and would still like to see me. We met again later that week in the evening. Had a good session. Went to dinner .2 Came back for another session. She spends the night and one more session in the morning.

January 2014.

Year starts out very nicely. I'm on the road and meet a POT (28, Latina) that is interested in traveling to visit. We meet for coffee and she is gorgeous. Looks better than the pictures she sent me. Warm hug and greeting. Lovely personality. First words out her mouth are: "I'm married". Let's me know up front she is up for fun and adventure but is not leaving her husband. We set up the parameters for our relationship and decide to take a walk. Good conversation, holding hands. Make out session in the middle of the walk. And then another one initiated by her at the end of the walk. Set up a lunch meeting two days later. She cancels and I leave town.

Sporadic texting follows. I press for her to come visit. She is somewhat unresponsive. Get a text out of the blue that she is not attracted to me yet, but does want to give our relationship a chance. (WTF?) I go along with it and ask if she is not attracted or just needs to get to know me better. She says she needs to get to know me better and that she believes that a visit will help with that. But she is not ready to jump into bed with me right away. She says that if all that I want is sex then she is not going to visit. I tell her that's fine. That I am looking for a real connection and that no sex initially is fine. I then give her a list of things that we will be doing. Are all foreplay and will lead to sex. But tell her no sex. She agrees to them all. Trip is on.

Next text out of the blue is two weeks before the trip. Her friend has had a STD scare and that's got her concerned. She is going to go get tested and she wants me to also and provide proof. I agree because I don't need too. I've already had my routine STD screen and documentation. She is impressed.

MILF 45 looses her apartment then looses her job. She informs me she is moving out of town. We meet the week of her move. 4 hours in the afternoon. Opening session. Break for dinner (.25). Then she kneeled and told me not to forget about her. So that's 3 dates (one overnight), 5 busts; Total: $; CPO = .2 Not exactly free but pretty damn close.

Straight UTR for relief. Recommendation from a local brother. MILF35, AA, GFE, DFK, CFS, Mish, Doggy and a BBBJCIM finish that was divine: $.

Subcmdr.

[SubCmdr]

I think if you are talking about a pro or UTR then speed is important. In fact you can cut a deal with a pro pretty darn quick.

But a SB is a different animal altogether and true amateur can be even more skittish. Many amateurs and especially young amateurs can take a long time. In fact the biggest complaint I get from amateur POTs is the creepiness of the men on these sites. If they would just chill they would have more success.

Revvo.

I agree with Brother Revvo. If it was just about money they would be Pro's (Black). If it was about just game it would be free (White). But the Sugar World (grey) is this nebulous world in between. With ladies to be found along the entire spectrum. We all have our own personal preferences, goals, desires and approaches to the Sugar World. Let's remember that my Brothers.

SubCmdr.

[HappyHunter44]

If it doesn't taste and smell like cherry pie... Find one that does.

Absolutely! Yum. Yum. I am real hungry now!