"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Flirting Guy]

How many of us are actually in RVA?

[Flirting Guy]

Friends.

Someone did PM me about VCU girl named Hannah. (165593) Be careful and stay away. She is back on SA site.

Had 2 SBs recently, but not that great of experience. So coming back to look for new ones.

Odd, that pulls up someone called "Lovinglife" out of Sydney, Australia. Is that the right one? If there was one I'd warn you about it would be a particular 23 yo blue eyed-blonde that's super hot, but a bit psycho / crazy. PM for her #.

[SubCmdr]

For the most part I am not attracted to woman in my age range (I am 50). I prefer women that are at least ten years younger than me. And I've gotten very picky about body type. I happen to be in great shape and expect a woman to maintain her attractiveness also no matter what her age. Settling into the single life after a period of nearly 15 years of serial domestication. I'm no longer interested in doing time in sex prison. If given a choice. I'the actually rather sit on a desert island (sex wise).

Venturing into the world of civi dating has been very disappointing. Women in their 40's and 50's that are old, ugly, fat and have very bad attitudes. They think their pussy is worth way more than it really is in the market place. Demands for serious relationships and jumping through hoops like a trained seal. No thank you!

So the sugar world is female paradise for me. Tons of young attractive sexual women in good shape ready to give you pussy. There are worse problems to have. I'm calling into question my need to pay for sex. I've been going though some introspection and internal review. I have no revelations to report. But I'm slightly altering my approach to the sugar world.

Been in a slump. Here is my three month report:

November.

Celebrated my birthday with my favorite hot Mexican Mommi (26). Source: SD4 m. Saw her about a half dozen times at $. Wanted a raise and did one visit at 2 x $ Told her that was unsustainable and we came to a new agreement of $.4. She also wanted to date. Wasn't feeling her anymore. Cut her loose.

SO visited (39). Good times. Sex is still good. Frequency is down. Quality is still up and great oral skills. But WAY too expensive. My CPO with her is so high I don't even calculate it.

December.

45 year old MILF. Source: SA; Pictures were very attractive. White, short blonde hair, good body. Received a shock at her bad teeth upon meeting her. Met for coffee then straight to the FC. Where I was pleasantly surprised. Got her on a orgasmic wave that lasted for a couple of hours. And she was eager to take care of me too. Spent about three hours total. Tea from Starbucks and .6 in spending money.

She asked if I would see her again and said I wasn't sure. After letting her stew a couple of days I told her I would not see her anymore if she needed me to give her money. She said she liked hanging out with me and would still like to see me. We met again later that week in the evening. Had a good session. Went to dinner .2 Came back for another session. She spends the night and one more session in the morning.

January 2014.

Year starts out very nicely. I'm on the road and meet a POT (28, Latina) that is interested in traveling to visit. We meet for coffee and she is gorgeous. Looks better than the pictures she sent me. Warm hug and greeting. Lovely personality. First words out her mouth are: "I'm married". Let's me know up front she is up for fun and adventure but is not leaving her husband. We set up the parameters for our relationship and decide to take a walk. Good conversation, holding hands. Make out session in the middle of the walk. And then another one initiated by her at the end of the walk. Set up a lunch meeting two days later. She cancels and I leave town.

Sporadic texting follows. I press for her to come visit. She is somewhat unresponsive. Get a text out of the blue that she is not attracted to me yet, but does want to give our relationship a chance. (WTF?) I go along with it and ask if she is not attracted or just needs to get to know me better. She says she needs to get to know me better and that she believes that a visit will help with that. But she is not ready to jump into bed with me right away. She says that if all that I want is sex then she is not going to visit. I tell her that's fine. That I am looking for a real connection and that no sex initially is fine. I then give her a list of things that we will be doing. Are all foreplay and will lead to sex. But tell her no sex. She agrees to them all. Trip is on.

Next text out of the blue is two weeks before the trip. Her friend has had a STD scare and that's got her concerned. She is going to go get tested and she wants me to also and provide proof. I agree because I don't need too. I've already had my routine STD screen and documentation. She is impressed.

MILF 45 looses her apartment then looses her job. She informs me she is moving out of town. We meet the week of her move. 4 hours in the afternoon. Opening session. Break for dinner (.25). Then she kneeled and told me not to forget about her. So that's 3 dates (one overnight), 5 busts; Total: $; CPO = .2 Not exactly free but pretty damn close.

Straight UTR for relief. Recommendation from a local brother. MILF35, AA, GFE, DFK, CFS, Mish, Doggy and a BBBJCIM finish that was divine: $.

Subcmdr.

[SubCmdr]

I think if you are talking about a pro or UTR then speed is important. In fact you can cut a deal with a pro pretty darn quick.

But a SB is a different animal altogether and true amateur can be even more skittish. Many amateurs and especially young amateurs can take a long time. In fact the biggest complaint I get from amateur POTs is the creepiness of the men on these sites. If they would just chill they would have more success.

Revvo.

I agree with Brother Revvo. If it was just about money they would be Pro's (Black). If it was about just game it would be free (White). But the Sugar World (grey) is this nebulous world in between. With ladies to be found along the entire spectrum. We all have our own personal preferences, goals, desires and approaches to the Sugar World. Let's remember that my Brothers.

SubCmdr.

[HappyHunter44]

If it doesn't taste and smell like cherry pie... Find one that does.

Absolutely! Yum. Yum. I am real hungry now!

[HollywoodGuy]

If it doesn't taste and smell like cherry pie... Find one that does.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Friends.

Someone did PM me about VCU girl named Hannah. (165593) Be careful and stay away. She is back on SA site.

Had 2 SBs recently, but not that great of experience. So coming back to look for new ones.

[Revvo]

You commented on my term longtime POT and said it is an oxymoron. I cannot disagree more. It totally depends on the woman. And many on here have reported on pursuits that have take a long time. One just below. I think if you are talking about a pro or UTR then speed is important. In fact you can cut a deal with a pro pretty darn quick.

But a SB is a different animal altogether and true amateur can be even more skittish. Many amateurs and especially young amateurs can take a long time. In fact the biggest complaint I get from amateur POTs is the creepiness of the men on these sites. If they would just chill they would have more success. Is it worth it? I think it is.

I am not sure we can put such hard rules on such a fluid endeavor such as the sugar bowl.

As for me getting played? Maybe. But she never got a penny from me. Other than date expenses.

But hey that is the hazard of the game.

Revvo.

[Graham111]

After deciding to end it with SB13 I have been somewhat unmotivated. I decided to stick to CL and see where that went. Lot's of flakes and half starts but finally met a 20 HCB last night. A little chunkier than I like but very sweet and ended in the FC. She was new to the bowl and asked about a facebook page or some other way to verify. Told her I have my reasons for my privacy, so let's meet for a coffee down by your place and you can decide. That led to dinner and then the FC. Not the 2 hr session I normally prefer but a good time. Is she trainable...time will tell. Didn't ask for any of the personal info once we met...said she just wanted to make sure she was safe and "I am perfect"...LOL. I am only bad when you want me to be!

On another note the previous starfish. The airplane babe -texted and needed sugar. Had a quick sleepover. Decided to take charge and learned she has a very talented mouth as well as no problem with me in charge. So a nice diversion but still prefer an active participant. Will not repeat.

Lastly have a 21 YO HYB, really hot, I have been pursuing for 4 months! Rock hard body. Had a quick M&G on the way out of town but she has major drama. But just one good session...with her pierced nipples and tongue ring... I am getting too old for this stuff!

[HappyHunter44]

A pH balanced pussy wash like Vagisil might help. I see one lady that swears by it. Obviously, no replacement for medical care, if the situation warrants it.

This conversation got me thinking about some advice I gave a buddy once. Simply, he did not like the smell of his wife's pussy or its taste either. I made it clear that the relationship was all but over. I basically said that a if a wife does not like the taste of her husband's spunk, then no biggie, that can be worked around. But no way can a relationship survive a husband not liking his wife's pussy smell or taste. Just no way. It is important part of the deal for men.

I knew I was right, but it is interesting that it applies all the way down the line to SBs, girlfriends, casual booty etc. Still do not know why he married her knowing that, but marriage did not last. Yep, good pussy smells like good pussy. No explanation required. Like pornography, we know bad pussy when we encounter it. No explanation required there either. I admit that there is nothing like the smell and taste of nice, clean pussy.

[UKnowWho]

I have a 24 yr old UTR for $.5 / nutt. I'm a little underwhelmed with her although she is cute and a willing recipient of my body fluids. But, after we nutt she is out of there. I am phasing her out but would be willing to keep her on for less $ ,even though the PPO is decent. What do you think a good strategy could be to offer her less for the thrill of doing me?

I accidentally pulled this off with a girl once. Our agreement was $$ 1/2 but after a few visits, I wasn't very into her anymore. I gave her a bullshit story about a change in my finances to end things with her. She asked if I'd still see her if she asked for less money, but I told her I didn't think so. She then said "How about for $ temporarily until things improve for you?" I decided I couldn't turn it down for $, so I agreed.

But, after doing it one time for $, she would ask for "a little extra" every time. Sometimes I'd agree and do $.5, other times I'd stick to $. After a few rounds of that annoyance, I cut it off for good. She wasn't worth the hassle.

So, try just ending it with her on the basis of money and see if she makes a counter-offer. She may be more likely to stick to it if it was her idea. If she doesn't, and she agrees to end it, you can always make your offer then.

[Mlboriole]

QUOTE=FredMoore;2008316]"We've covered this before and there have been few cases involving sugar daddies and LEO. As always be careful talking to the Pots. Never mention sex and money in the same breath. $$ is for time together and expenses, and sex is referred to as "quiet time" ," private time" ,or what ever cute little phrase you choose to use. Do not say "how much for a BJ? ".

I was talking with a cute little blond from SA using exactly that kind of language and she must have gotten frustrated. Her response to my efforts to meet and greet was "Listen, I am not sure we are on the same page...you get a room, we meet, we have sex and you give me money. If that's not the plan then it should be..." I said sure ... 19 year olds...I usually pass on them but she was cute. She also just laid there, so cuteness did not get a repeat even though the price was right. I could tell enough about her by googling that I decided she was not LEO before I said sure.

I am like Revvo. It is not raining, it is pouring lately. To many to keep up with, and keep my job so I can afford them. A couple former models very high maintenance... A latin, I think she is trying to build calluses on Willie, and an assortment of single moms all fairly cute.

Appreciate the info. I met with this sb for coffee but still get uneasy feelings about her. She uses the phrase let's get naughty for her opening line and won't take anything but cash. She is a hottie, 22 and I have not tried a young sb as I have been having success with the 30 and 40 yo. For my area of central VA the older are more practical too. The young ones I find that are appealing to me are wanting 1 -2 K / mo.

[Beachesnole02]

QUOTE=FredMoore;2008316]"We've covered this before and there have been few cases involving sugar daddies and LEO. As always be careful talking to the Pots. Never mention sex and money in the same breath. $$ is for time together and expenses, and sex is referred to as "quiet time" ," private time" ,or what ever cute little phrase you choose to use. Do not say "how much for a BJ? ".

I was talking with a cute little blond from SA using exactly that kind of language and she must have gotten frustrated. Her response to my efforts to meet and greet was "Listen, I am not sure we are on the same page...you get a room, we meet, we have sex and you give me money. If that's not the plan then it should be..." I said sure ... 19 year olds...I usually pass on them but she was cute. She also just laid there, so cuteness did not get a repeat even though the price was right. I could tell enough about her by googling that I decided she was not LEO before I said sure.

I am like Revvo. It is not raining, it is pouring lately. To many to keep up with, and keep my job so I can afford them. A couple former models very high maintenance... A latin, I think she is trying to build calluses on Willie, and an assortment of single moms all fairly cute.

[FredMoore]

" longtime POT."

This is a bad sign. It is actually an oxymoron . A Pot should be on a fairly short leash to put up or get out . This one might be playing you Revvo .

" She was going to be my stable no dollar affair piece of ass. "

The Holy Grail of sugar life ! Some of you are successful at this . I have never had a SB willing to give it up for love .

" She is 19 still not a lot of excitement. "

Under 21 the girls are very immature and less ikely to relate in an emotionally appropriate way . IMHO 21 Plus is a world of difference .

" Beach blond divorcee: Really cool lady. She is 40 YO white slim and very attractive."

On the other hand ,MILFs,particularly over 35 seem to be more comfortable in their own skin sexually but are also a little desperate . They can be jaded and I tend to like a little naivete in the mix . If they are 40 + and need to sell themselves for money life is not going the way they hoped . It can be an opportunity for mongers though . Personally ,the thrill for me is cracking the nutt on a 20 something . All my MILFs have been enthusiastic lovers but just a little overweight, wrinkly ,and blah . YMMV



Revvo.

Strategy question for the Board. I have a 24 yr old UTR for $.5 / nutt. I'm a little underwhelmed with her although she is cute and a willing recipient of my body fluids. But, after we nutt she is out of there. I am phasing her out but would be willing to keep her on for less $ ,even though the PPO is decent. What do you think a good strategy could be to offer her less for the thrill of doing me? I already told her my business is struggling since I don't want her to take it personally. Obviously I can just throw a number out and see what happens.

[FredMoore]

You guys have been involved a lot longer than me but I took the advice and joined the SA site and it has paid off with some nice leads. My question is this. Is it possible that a young college student (supposedly) can be LEO? I have been talking to one that just scares me a little as it reminds me of a situation a experienced with an escort once. Thanks in advance.

We've covered this before and there have been few cases involving sugar daddies and LEO. As always be careful talking to the Pots. Never mention sex and money in the same breath. $$ is for time together and expenses, and sex is referred to as "quiet time" ," private time" ,or what ever cute little phrase you choose to use. Do not say "how much for a BJ? ".

Funny story. I set up a date with a 19 yr old and discussed private time but not money. She wouldn't talk about it when I asked what her expectations were. She did say she would not have sex on the first date. When I went to pick her up at her work it was an office right behind the police precinct. I almost ran but ended up meeting her, and it turned out to be one of the best one nighters of my Hobby career. She said she was on her period and I said "who cares?" and we went to the FC after a quick drink.