"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dump My Goo]

Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.

Ruffin... I guess I'm more inclined to agree with HG. A SD / SB relationship is always going to have a much higher level of emotional connection than an escort. A lot of these girls in the sites ae looking for a steady emotional strength from a male counterpart, that frankly, they've never experienced before. Your financial well being, experience, mentorship, stability, confidence, and good sexual skill all play a part in her experience and happiness. You could provide a lot of these things for her. When I have been in this situation I have always just done my best to communicate what I can provide so as to not lead her on. This goes to GC's "do no harm". Email her and tell her that you thought she was very pretty and that you really liked her. That you would really like to see her again and spend time together. However, you are not sure you can give her what she is looking for... In my case I then tell them I'm married and have young kids. I am happy with that part of my life and I'm not going to change it. I'm looking for a long term relationship...like BF / GF but without the drama and pressure. What is important to me is that we have adult fun behind closed doors. I can provide steady long term financial help to her that she can count on. If those are things she is ok with then let's get together again. Good luck she sounds like a fun girl. If it adavances throw a pic of her on here. I don't know why we don't have more pics of more SB on here.

[Golfcart]

Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.

Reffin, you did the right thing. One of the rules around here is do no harm. When the girl is not on the same page we do harm. Sometimes the harm is to her, sometimes to us.

[HollywoodGuy]

A mixed Colombian, black and white 20 year old 5' 3' 130 lb very pretty girl I had never met txts me and says she is in my area and can she stop by at 7 pm.

She comes in and I was happily surprised to see a curvy but tight smiling girl go straight to the FC. We fooled around on the bed for about a half hour, kissing and fondling. My dick was out and her firm young B sized breasts felt amazing.

She is coming back Sunday for a 5 hour date. Total damage was one Jackson.

At 8.30 the same night I did a second date with a 22 year old 5' 2 100 lb mixed girl. She is an x high school cheer leading captain trying to make it in hollywood. She looks about 16. We talked in the car for an hour. Hope to see her tonite for a real date. Total damage was the cost of a smoothie.

At 10.30 pm I picked up my new 19 year old art student and took her home for our usual good time. This was our fourth date this month. She keeps getting better and better and she is exclusive to me for now. Took her home at 2.30 am. Total damage was the usual $.

[HollywoodGuy]

Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.

Girls that need emotional support, mentoring and / or great sex are usually more than happy to take the $ a date offer. It's called a value added proposition. That's all I really look for in a steady girl. Money alone will never get them to be on my "team". To me, a money alone girl is a pro. Not interested. There is no limit to the number of guys she would date at a time. But it would be rare for a true non pro to want to be emotionally connected to more than one guy at a time.

I can't have ongoing awesome sex if there is no emotional connection. The stronger the better.

With a pro, the sex might be amazing the first time but there will be a diminishing rate of return over a very short amount of time because their heart is not in it. The reverse will be true of a non pro.

[Reffin2]

Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.

I recently tried a new site that someone on here mentioned- SDToday. I was admittedly skeptical because it is entirely free to register as a full member. After registering, I quickly received a few responses but they were too far to warrant real attention on my part. Then I started sending messages and one response seems like a possible keeper. So, this afternoon I am going for a meet and greet at a chain restaurant and see if her pics are TGTBT, too much allowance or too much per visit or "the blind squirrel finding the acorn". I am experiencing a variety of emotions from excitement to apprehension. So, we'll see how this goes...

Sunday and Monday I have my 3rd rendezvous with my 20's single mom. This one makes me feel awful young again! Will report of my dreams and encounters and appreciate as always your critique and advice.

R2.

[Reffin2]

I recently tried a new site that someone on here mentioned- SDToday. I was admittedly skeptical because it is entirely free to register as a full member. After registering, I quickly received a few responses but they were too far to warrant real attention on my part. Then I started sending messages and one response seems like a possible keeper. So, this afternoon I am going for a meet and greet at a chain restaurant and see if her pics are TGTBT, too much allowance or too much per visit or "the blind squirrel finding the acorn". I am experiencing a variety of emotions from excitement to apprehension. So, we'll see how this goes...

Sunday and Monday I have my 3rd rendezvous with my 20's single mom. This one makes me feel awful young again! Will report of my dreams and encounters and appreciate as always your critique and advice.

R2.

[CBrownEye]

This thread had been a bible for me the past few months. A few observations, IMO.

I've been playing both the SA sites and as well as fishing on the local CL, and to my surprise lots of the girls that replied to my posts on CL also have profiles on either SA or SD4M, so it seems many of them are out there and are also looking at various venues, and this make me think they are somewhat semi pros and not really amateurs.

Pursuing this game had been very difficult for me, especially one with an SO and a few kids, but I managed to pulled in a few decent chics (19-40). The main problem with this is not budget, since the most I ever shelled out per meet to the babies is 1. 5, but typically 1. 0, I guess I am in a cheaper market than you fellows. The problem is TIME, or lack of it. Many of these girls don't work, and does not have their own transportation so this required a pick up, treck to notel, and drop off which is about 3-4 hours requirement and for someone like me, I just don't have that luxury of time. My only meeting time is during lunch, so that limited my window to play significantly. I would have pulled in a lot more babies if I had the time.

And when it come to sugars, the suggestions here are great. If you're not required to discussed it, don't. Just slipped something in the baby's purse on your way out, just make it a little appropriate (I assumed you know what that mean). And if you are required to put a number up front, make it a monthly allowance (for me that's usually 500-600) a month with promise of gifts, etc when I feel like it. This make it seems some-what easier for the baby to take, versus putting up a number by the hour which often comes off the wrong way.

Obviously, there are some babies that laughed at my monthly allowance and demanded 2k-5k a month, for those I say 'bye bye'. I have a budget, and I am sticking with it. Sure, if my budget were doubled, I should be able to attract more babies, but hey not every man have a nice disposable income in the back pocket (I envied some of you guys. Guess I need a second job.

Again, none of this info is new. Just a reharsh of what had been said many times by the greats in this forum. Again, the best part of this is chasing down (or seducing) a new baby.

Happy new year, and happy hunting fellows.

PS,

Scott, your ex employee is freaking HOT man.

Wow, so you get a 3-4 hr. Lunch? I need that job. I love how you can stick to that budget and still score SB's. Keep it up.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have noticed a drop in the number of quality SBs on SA and SDFM. Perhaps it is just my area. Anyone else seeing this?

Must be your area. The quality and quantity is way up here. But its never an easy row to hoe. Stayed home last night and spent about 4 hours txting girls. And yeah, a lot got accomplished, but it took my whole night to do it

[FredMoore]

I have noticed a drop in the number of quality SBs on SA and SDFM. Perhaps it is just my area. Anyone else seeing this?

[FredMoore]

That is 100% true. The police are her friends. There could be case reports of the same guy before. These become pieces in the puzzle that result in apprehension and conviction. This is particularly true in sex offenses. The method of operation is usually the same and acts like a fingerprint. She's not alone in this.

Most girls I have met on these sites have had some kind of abuse history, whether it was incest, assault, or other. It is sad that they are often here looking for love, money of course, and a father figure. On line predation is common I would guess. Since there is so much shame involved with the victims only a fraction of offenses get reported. For a SD it is easy to gain access to a large number of willing females who are potential victims from a bump and run. I guess some guys get off on that. For those of you who have been in the escort world how often did you either experience or hear of grand theft / vagina? What is a John to do if a hooker takes the money and slides out the door? Nothing.

[Golfcart]

I told her she should have called the cops that they wouldn't care why they were meeting the rape was the much bigger crime.

That is 100% true. The police are her friends. There could be case reports of the same guy before. These become pieces in the puzzle that result in apprehension and conviction. This is particularly true in sex offenses. The method of operation is usually the same and acts like a fingerprint. She's not alone in this.

[Kool 310]

Long time lurker from Manchester foot spa days. I took a break from the game for a bit but I'm back in now and desire to create my own little hareem oof flavors. I plan to share this is go around. I love this section and find the knowledge here to be indispensable. Thank you.

I'm currently working on closing my first and she's on my hook. Just need to reel her in. I'll post more next week after our first sugar session.

[CBrownEye]

Gentlemen,

Taking into account the opinions, counsel and collective wisdom of the SDs who responded, little Scottie and I decided to go ahead and meet with the HYB, but to proceed with a greater degree of caution. The general consensus that I was dealing with a pro was incorrect, I believe, but somewhat closer to the truth than my fantasy, which was of fantastic amateur pussy just falling into my lap, so to speak.

After several more emails back and forth, including an astounding to-do list of what was awaiting me when we met (the girl is a creative writing major in college) , I asked if she would get us a room and I would reimburse her in addition to the agreed-upon sugar. This she readily did, and told me she lived with her parents, which if true, I took to be a good sign. I also asked that we meet outside of a near-by Starbucks, so I could do to her what a previous SB did to me, which was a visual drive-by. Pictures are one thing, but they can be old, manipulated, and rarely tell the entire tale.

Having satisfied myself that she was, indeed, hot and a true spinner, I parked and walked up to meet her. Scottie and I were both in a high state of excitement, and I was thinking about that to-do list with a great deal of anticipation, hoping I would make it all the way to the end without spraining something.

The mood was pretty much shattered when I got close and she opened her mouth to say Hello. I have a real thing for good teeth, and hers were a wreck. Not 'meth teeth', mind you, but seriously askew, though they were white enough. Scottie immediately ducked his head and hid, but I was less fortunate, and had to talk to for a bit until I could make my escape.

As we talked, I noticed the perfect little boobs under her tank top, a very nice, tight ass beneath her skirt, and the fact that she could not have been more than 5 feet tall. Scottie began to stir, and we both reassessed the situation. When the words 'I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling it' came out of my mouth, we were both a little surprised, as was she. She then countered with, 'Well, can I just give you a blow job? ' which seemed reasonable seeing as I had driven almost an hour to get there.

We went to the room she had booked, and after we got naked, she proceeded to give me one of the best bjs I've had in a long time. All mouth and tongue, no cheating with her hands, and total CIMWS. Her body was ultra-fine as well, and I seriously thought of abandoning my principles and pounding that wet pussy for all I was worth, but I just couldn't get past the teeth! Those of you out there who share this particular phobia with me will understand; those who don't, a little slack, please. I can't help it, but there it is.

The reason I think that she was on her way to being a pro, but not quite there yet, is that she is clearly a major pot head, and was high at 9 in the morning when we met. My guess is that she is doing this to fund her habit, among other things, and has made peace with herself by blaming the weed. Just a guess, but accurate I think.

In other news, I am currently courting two other HYBs, one of which will be mine as soon as I can clear some time. The other is hooked, but is still circling the net, not yet ready to be landed. Monday I meet up with a third baby that had been ready to be bedded, but a family emergency took her out of town. God I love this hobby!

As promised, I will post next about my interesting new twist on the SD / SB thing that has yielded surprisingly good results, but I want to thank all who weighed in on this one. I would do her again in a heart beat if it weren't for those teeth! Ugh!

Keep up the good work, gentlemen,

Scott

This is CRAZY to me LOL. I've never heard of a person with a "tooth phobia" allowing said offending person proceed to suck their dick. That's confusing as hell. I could see you forbidding that and all activities involving her teeth / mouth but no way should you have allowed the thing you hate the most about her so near to your most prized body part!

[CBrownEye]

I have one HYB dancer that wants sugar for companionship with "nothing sexual". I asked what "nothing sexual" meant to her. She couldn't answer. So I thought I would try to see if she was serious.

First time, we went out for a few drinks ended up at a hotel with her doing a nude dance for me. When she started to grind on me, I responded by touching her which got her turned on. We ultimately ended up in a heated 69 when she all of a sudden realizes what she is doing and freaks out. She is upset we went too far and can't believe I got her that turned on. I'm frustrated I didn't finish and feel guilty that she thought we went too far. Strike one.

She contacts me a second time asking to get together. I assume, incorrectly, that she has decided she is okay with the sex part. We meet again for drinks and end up in a hotel. She does the nude dance, but won't let me touch her. We ended watching each other get off. She's good. I'm frustrated again. Strike two.

She contacts me a third time wanting to meet. I let her know I don't want to pay to walk away frustrated or guilty. I sugest she let me try to get both of us fully aroused with a full body massage and see how we both feel if we don't follow to completion. I promise not to go any further unless she attacks me. Which I'm not sure I could fight off. She sugests I get a room with a hot tub, stawberry's, wine, etc. We meet, eventually ended up in the hot tub. I'm massaging her being very carefully not to touch her nipples or vagina. She ends up sticking her nipples in my mouth while sitting on my lap in the tub. She starts grinding me and I'm working hard not to enter her. She grabs my cock and sticks it in her. We go at it for few minutes, when she realizes what she is doing and freaks out again. She's upset again. I'm frustrated and feel guilty. Strike three.

She called again wanting to meet. Still doesn't want sex. I declined.

She is definately hot and I know she is into it, but too young and confused.

A couple of questions. Why and how much did you pay for these "non seexual" encounters, and keeping in mind you were in the tub, did she stick it in with no condom?

[HollywoodGuy]

Just banged a 7/9/9/9 AA 23 year old spinner. And that 7 could easily be an 8.5 with a few beauty treatments. About 5' 2' and 105. She was great in bed and an awesome kisser. An admitted UTR girl and an x dancer. She has 2 other regulars that she met in her everyday life and says I am the first off the SD site.

I meet a lot of good looking girls, and that does carry me through some of the less than spectacular performances, but it was nice to just have some good old fashioned american fun with a chill cute girl that I just started txting yesterday. She is the kind of girl that just naturally keeps me hard with her tiny body and awesome skills. She is very happy with the $ a date agreement.

So far I only have this one not so good pic of her. My A team is solid. Now I am trying to build my B team. I love spontaneity, and I understand why guys cruise for SW's. In the sugar world this is about as spontaneous as it gets. Txt on Sunday, bang on Monday. But I have had a few same day experiences. And that was mostly UTR girls, but if you hit them up (meaning the non pros) on day one anything can happen. Remember they made this big decision to join the site. Sometimes they just want to dive right in. Sometimes.