"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dsprdo** · 10-20-13 02:43

I think this is an important question. When a girl asks this, I think it is a sign of a new SB. Girls who have been around the track a few times don't care. New SB's want to know if you are a player, how you've treated any past SB's, and what to expect from you. The follow on question to "yes, I have" is "what happened to her?" I would welcome insight as to how some of you approach this topic.

**BigTigger** · 10-19-13 21:56

So I'm supposed to see MxOxyMoron on Friday morning. I'll pay for the room, but she owes me some time, so no funds will be given, other than gas.

MsCoolSlim replied to my text today. She claims she's through BSing me, I had her send a very nice panty / bra pic to prove it. We are meeting on Monday for dinner.

MsNurse booty wants to meet this week. I can only see here after 8:30 at her place. Not sure if I'm stopping by or not.

MsLilMama has had her availability cut completely off by her GF. Now I can only see here during lunch and I'm not willing to pay the $.30 for the room for 1 hour of sex and some funds for her. Not to mention the last few times, she's been bratty and selfish. So the sex wasn't that good. I even told her about it. She agreed with my assessment and "hoped" she'd be better next time. No guarantees though. Ugh!

Another POT that bailed on me a few months back because she didn't like the over emphasis on sex, replied to my text today. She had been thinking about me a little and is back on SA. Not sure where that is going, but she along with MsCoolSlim are both candidates for 3 to 4 week relationships. They are too flaky to depend on, but too sexy to not get the goodies a few times.

What I don't understand is why I can't just be content. Right now I had MsThickness, MsHipsnThighs and MsShapelyMILF all lined up. Not sure why I'd want to add more to the harem with these others. But it's one way to ensure I'm always getting some goodies.

I really should be seeing one of those 3 on Monday night, instead I'm chasing this super hot spinner with a beautiful face, who's been flaky ever since we met right before my STL trip. Leaving the bird in the hand for the bird in the bush. I think my attraction is the fact that she's not had sex for a long time and I think she's going to be a screamer. Being so small, I love to flip those girls all around, etc. So we'll see how it goes. She doesn't have any real sugar requirements, but will take any help I can give. My kinda woman!

To make matters worse, I've made up my mind to rent a TiggaPad. I placed an ad on CL for a discreet place and I've gotten great response. It will be in the Baltimore area. The place I'm keying on is a high-rise with security, etc. The owner is an older white woman who's rarely home. She was very clear, she doesn't care what I do in my room and she seemed genuinely nice. She's out of town a lot and doesn't expect to be there much. I'll be seeing that place soon. I have another place on hold, not as nice, but a good setup none the less. If I get either place, MsOxyMoron will be out, I'll only be dealing with SBs where I can use my place. All the rest would work with that. To get my money's worth, I need to use it at least 7 times a month. I know for a fact I can use it 6 times a month, I'm working on finding one more day!

BigTigg.

**Dsprdo** · 10-19-13 20:23

Since my last report things have gone well, and my rotation appears to be close to full. I reported on my 29 year old white SB last time. I'll call her new age girl. She's a little flaky and a free spirit, hippie type girl, but she's fun to hang with. I have seen her a couple more times since our first meeting and will hold onto her a while. She actually says some things that make me pretty sure she is an UTR kind of girl, but she will spend all day with me and is not always looking for a way to get extra $ out of me, so I'm going with the flow.

I had two M&G's this week. The first was with a little WASP princess. Physically she is 5 feet, about 100 pounds, 22 years old with blond hair and blue eyes, 7/8/7/8. Personality-wise she is the polar opposite of new age girl. She's a recent college graduate; very rational to the point of being a little calculating. She is in the process of breaking off an engagement to her college sweetheart. She has had a SD before, but he moved out of state a while back. We texted back and forth for a few days and then agreed to meet for lunch. The night before the meeting she texted me "maybe after lunch we can go back to your place and see if we have any chemistry". Well, yeah! We had a nice lunch and then two hours of "getting to know you" time that was awesome. I asked what her last arrangement was and she said she was getting 500/ month. I would rather do a per visit, but for twice a week at that allowance I took a chance!. She has agreed to come see me on Monday, so I'll know soon whether I invested wisely.

My last meeting was a 20-year-old sophomore at the local party school. She is from the windy city and seems quite bright. She's not the spinner type at 5'10 with an athletic build. I suspect later in life she might struggle with weight but now she is pleasingly curved. She is also white, with brown hair and blue eyes. She commented on the detail in my intro letter, so thanks to HG for the tips on that. She has stated multiple times that the money is not her primary motivation, saying that she wants experiences and someone more mature than the drunken frat boy type at school. We had a nice lunch and an interesting kiss when I dropped her off. We set our next date for Wednesday and she has implicitly agreed that it will include a trip to the FC. I will have to find some things to do with her outside of the bedroom, but it should be a fun journey. My only problem now is sugar amount. She genuinely seems uninterested in talking about it, but SA is a sugar website and she's a broke college student, so I know it's at least in the back of her mind. Hopefully she won't get cold feet and we can work that out after an afternoon of fun! If she turns out the way I think, I will have three young quality babies lined up, on a reasonable budget, and will focus on keeping them happy for a while. What a life!

**Member #5570** · 10-19-13 15:31

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Had a great night with MsThickness, lasted from 7 pm to 5 am. Gave her $.30. We have agreed on at least $350 per month. Ms HipsnThighs agreed on $450 per month. I can see both as much as I want. MsThickness just turned 21 , but screws like a pro, she watched lots of porn because she was inexperienced and wanted to be able to keep her man.

I have an interesting development. Someone I met when I started as a SD is back in the picture. I texted her to try and start again. She is much more gf like. Late 30's, two kids, divorced. Originally she was not feeling me being married. But after two years of bums, weirdos and guys with performance problems she was thrilled to have me back in the fold (these were not from SD sites). Right now, no established sugar amount as she us fine having someone fun to be around who can screw her good. Once I get the Tiggabounce with her, I will drop one of the others and give her between 500-800 per month into her account.

She us AA, 9/9/9/, about 5'7. Big boobs, nice hips, great butt, athletic with a killer smile. We have had two dates and the affection is escalating slowly, but appropriately. Unlike the first time, I am much more assertive and she is responding great. I will put some funds in her account soon and give it a few more dates before the Tiggabounce.

BugTigg.

Looks like you're keeping the babies on a very nice budget.

Way to go.

Smoke!

**BigBubbaBobby** · 10-19-13 11:15

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.

To each their own but, to me, most of the time when you get a response that idiotic with all of the extra letters and grammatical errors (even if she wasn't trying to scam you), it is not going to be a good experience. Better to have a girl with some brains and some wit.

**BigTigger** · 10-19-13 09:40

Had a great night with MsThickness, lasted from 7 pm to 5 am. Gave her $.30. We have agreed on at least $350 per month. Ms HipsnThighs agreed on $450 per month. I can see both as much as I want. MsThickness just turned 21 , but screws like a pro, she watched lots of porn because she was inexperienced and wanted to be able to keep her man.

I have an interesting development. Someone I met when I started as a SD is back in the picture. I texted her to try and start again. She is much more gf like. Late 30's, two kids, divorced. Originally she was not feeling me being married. But after two years of bums, weirdos and guys with performance problems she was thrilled to have me back in the fold (these were not from SD sites). Right now, no established sugar amount as she us fine having someone fun to be around who can screw her good. Once I get the Tiggabounce with her, I will drop one of the others and give her between 500-800 per month into her account.

She us AA, 9/9/9/, about 5'7. Big boobs, nice hips, great butt, athletic with a killer smile. We have had two dates and the affection is escalating slowly, but appropriately. Unlike the first time, I am much more assertive and she is responding great. I will put some funds in her account soon and give it a few more dates before the Tiggabounce.

BugTigg.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-19-13 03:27

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.

That has happened to me numerous times.

**Revvo** · 10-18-13 16:25

You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.

**LuckyLou** · 10-18-13 10:11

Originally Posted by JMartinez [View Original Post]

She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.

Whatever you do, come back on here and let us know. I am sure we are all curious as to our sugar bowl acumen and it's accuracy.

**BigTigger** · 10-18-13 09:20

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

In the spirit of the bowl, one of the last HYBs I talked to prior to my sabbatical has come back pushing for a meeting. Her pics show her to be my type, a pretty cute spinner 27 yr old looking to be a 7 /8.5/7/? She seems persistent and has a FC that we might be able to play in. She is open to an initial FC meeting sight unseen, no contact requested or mentioned but implied, and the $$ left up to me to be "fair ".

Hoo Boy! I know it sounds too good to be true but if I take the plunge what do you guys think I should donate after the deed? My funds are monitored so it is all I can do to keep my ATF in Chanel. $100 is the most I could go and it would be nice to score some lower rates like some of you studs have been doing.

I don't care if this works but it would be nice to have a cheap fuck buddy on tap in my area. Having said that I don't want to come across as being too cheap. I actually care what they think which is possibly my problem.

Go with the $100. It's better to not get caught and run the risk of being seen as cheap. But if you give her a few orgasms and the sex is great the $100 might be perfect. Either way, you can say, "We didn't talk money and this is my normal gift amount". After the sex, then find out what the real desired amount is and you can make a decision the next time if you want to go there.

BigTigg.

**BigTigger** · 10-18-13 09:17

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere. Most likely, you will never land this little fish, and if by some miracle you do, it will not be a prime experience. Touching your penis is a cornerstone, I'm afraid, and it's clear she is not committed to the realities of the SB / SD lifestyle. Some of these women, especially the young ones, imagine that they can get the sugar without taking their panties off. Part of that erroneous thinking is created by sheer fantasy, and part by the increasing press the Bowl seems to be getting.

Whatever the reason, she's got a bad attitude, and no matter how hot she is, it will not be fun. My advice would be to turn her aside politely, let her eyes be opened by a few other experiences, and contact her in a month or so, just touching base. She may be more realistic by then, and grateful that you were such a gentleman compared to the douchebags she's met in the interim, and will be more willing to play the game.

Or not. Either way, in my opinion this is a losing situation, and your time is better spent looking for other catches.

Good luck, and keep us abreast of the situation.

Scott.

I agree with Scott on this one. When it comes to these types of women. I simply say " I don't like for the allowance / funds to get ahead of the relationship". You could add and "if we can't move both along at the same time, I'm going to have to move along because maybe we are not the best fit". Then if she takes the bait and asks how to keep them in balance, you can then let her know how the panties and money are related and include amounts. I don't see any money upfront in this case as an investment. She's trying to get the most and give the least.

BT.

**F Scott** · 10-17-13 22:07

My brothers,

After a long, long journey, I am finally in New Orleans, and have made contact with my Obsession. I am bringing breakfast to her apartment tomorrow morning, and she has promised to still be in her pj's when I arrive. Scottie and I are delirious with anticipation, and frankly I am hoping that I will strain something.

Sadly, my SO will arrive tomorrow afternoon, so I need to get all my playtime in before noon. Has anyone died from too many orgasms?

I'll be doing my best to find out.

Adios perhaps or hopefully.

Scott.

**Member #5570** · 10-17-13 20:12

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere.

Scott.

I have to agree with Scottie here.

Even if you pay her 500 to suck your dick, her attitude alone would tell you the experience would be garbage. You be better off paying a SW 20 bucks to clean your pipe. I guarantee you will get a better blow job.

There are way too many pussies out there waiting to be seduced and entertained by our magical cocks that it's not worth another minute wasted on this girl. Move on and find better cookies, they're out there.

Smoke,

**FredMoore** · 10-17-13 18:48

In the spirit of the bowl, one of the last HYBs I talked to prior to my sabbatical has come back pushing for a meeting. Her pics show her to be my type, a pretty cute spinner 27 yr old looking to be a 7 /8.5/7/? She seems persistent and has a FC that we might be able to play in. She is open to an initial FC meeting sight unseen, no contact requested or mentioned but implied, and the $$ left up to me to be "fair ".

Hoo Boy! I know it sounds too good to be true but if I take the plunge what do you guys think I should donate after the deed? My funds are monitored so it is all I can do to keep my ATF in Chanel. $100 is the most I could go and it would be nice to score some lower rates like some of you studs have been doing.

I don't care if this works but it would be nice to have a cheap fuck buddy on tap in my area. Having said that I don't want to come across as being too cheap. I actually care what they think which is possibly my problem.

**F Scott** · 10-17-13 18:29

Originally Posted by LandonR [View Original Post]

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.

First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere. Most likely, you will never land this little fish, and if by some miracle you do, it will not be a prime experience. Touching your penis is a cornerstone, I'm afraid, and it's clear she is not committed to the realities of the SB / SD lifestyle. Some of these women, especially the young ones, imagine that they can get the sugar without taking their panties off. Part of that erroneous thinking is created by sheer fantasy, and part by the increasing press the Bowl seems to be getting.

Whatever the reason, she's got a bad attitude, and no matter how hot she is, it will not be fun. My advice would be to turn her aside politely, let her eyes be opened by a few other experiences, and contact her in a month or so, just touching base. She may be more realistic by then, and grateful that you were such a gentleman compared to the douchebags she's met in the interim, and will be more willing to play the game.

Or not. Either way, in my opinion this is a losing situation, and your time is better spent looking for other catches.

Good luck, and keep us abreast of the situation.

Scott.