"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**F Scott** · 10-15-13 23:40

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

UTR's and pro's do serve a purpose (or two). Hey I live with one. LOL. But getting a fresh girl that's beholdin to you alone is the ultimate prize.

Gentlemen,

I wasn't commenting on pros or UTRs in general or in particular. I completely understand their place in the grand spectrum of this intersexual playground. I was only saying that, in my opinion, they are not what the Bowl is about.

I believe we are operating in a tiny little subset of the grand sexual playground that exists out there, and for me, at least, I see the Bowl as the most complex, frustrating, skill-intensive and at the same time non-professional of the many, many ways of scoring pussy.

All this said, I also believe that each brother should feel comfortable with how they approach these little fish, and in fact what kind of fish they are happy to land. Personally, I am after that most elusive of quarry, the wild trout, but that's just me. If occasionally I hook a carp, well, that's the nature of the sport, and I throw it back. To stretch the analogy beyond its breaking point, we can debate to the end of time whether a fresh fingerling can sometimes grow up to be a carp, but that's beside the point. If she does, that was her destiny, and if I happen to hook her by accident I'll still throw her back. Another angler may be more than happy to land her, and more power to him.

In the end, we each must find our own personal comfort level. For me, "scoring" escorts, however they may disguise themselves, is not why I'm a Bowler - again, no judgement implied. We are all trying our best to live our lives, and I admire sincere effort whatever it looks like.

In other news, I am half-way to New Orleans, and half-way to a (hopefully) wonderful reunion with my Obsession. When I last saw her, she was talking about falling in love with someone other than me, (asshole) and thinking about cutting me off from the awesome pussy that she possesses, but I am hoping that the combined charm of Big and Little Scottie will more than serve to open the thighs.

Wish me luck,

Scott.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-15-13 20:18

I have been mailing the usual 3 girls a day with my intro letter. I have been focusing more on the true amateurs and trying to stay away from the UTR girls. I have noticed that as many as 80% fall off the site after the first day. I am only in the 18 to 22 range most of the time. Also when I do meet, my FC % on the first date has gone way down. The cost to meet has also dropped accordingly.

A newbie MILF I saw 3 times in the FC last year for free (she turned down my $ offer saying that would make her a pro, who was i to argue?) popped back on to the site with a new profile. I hit her up and she was insulted by my $ offer. She said it was now $$. LOL. They learn fast.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-15-13 15:55

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

You know, they are all pros or sluts of a sort. Pros fuck one or more guys for money and sluts fuck multiple random guys for non financial gain. The question for each one of us is: Do we care about emotional attachment? Because if we are looking for a special girl who is attached to just us for our amazing personality and sexual prowess and saves her booty for us then we are probably kidding ourselves. Go to Christian Mingle dot com. Every girl (almost) on the SD Sites is willing to give it up for money. We are male sluts by this definition. We all fuck (or want to) multiple random women as often as we can. It's nice to be loved and appreciated and not be one dick out of many who are supporting a SB's needs. I have been friends with several full time escorts over the years and I like them very much. They give heartfelt service in a GFE way and are honest about what they are doing. One is trying to find a soul mate but has to work regularly to support her 2 kids. Who wants to marry a working girl anyway? She's stuck. She aims to make $30000 / yr and is not greedy. The other makes $150 K / year but is on the road all the time from city to city.

So BT, if you are getting what you want from this Pro then enjoy it. In the end we all want the "appearance" of affection, desire, and specialness from our Babies. I prefer that my SB not be banging other guys while I am actively dating her, and I certainly don't want her working a book of business numbering dozens of Johns while I think I am helping a naive college girl squeak by. So I delude myself into thinking that my ATF is monogamous.

All True. All true. I have helped a few of my girls with ads and screening pot clients. If I am getting treated right, who am I to complain? When it gets to the bf / gf level and exclusive with a true amatuer, be ready for everything that goes with it. And be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. I got one now and there is a level of drama that I have to deal with to maintain it.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-15-13 15:51

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

BT,

In my opinion, the Bowl is not about pro's or UTR's, however they may disguise their true identities. It's about meeting and seducing willing but true amateurs. You of all of us seem to have no problem getting the T Bounce, so why mess with this type of "baby"? Where's the sport?

Just my opinion.

Scott.

UTR's and pro's do serve a purpose (or two). Hey I live with one. LOL. But getting a fresh girl that's beholdin to you alone is the ultimate prize.

**FredMoore** · 10-15-13 12:44

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.

You know, they are all pros or sluts of a sort. Pros fuck one or more guys for money and sluts fuck multiple random guys for non financial gain. The question for each one of us is: Do we care about emotional attachment? Because if we are looking for a special girl who is attached to just us for our amazing personality and sexual prowess and saves her booty for us then we are probably kidding ourselves. Go to Christian Mingle dot com. Every girl (almost) on the SD Sites is willing to give it up for money. We are male sluts by this definition. We all fuck (or want to) multiple random women as often as we can. It's nice to be loved and appreciated and not be one dick out of many who are supporting a SB's needs. I have been friends with several full time escorts over the years and I like them very much. They give heartfelt service in a GFE way and are honest about what they are doing. One is trying to find a soul mate but has to work regularly to support her 2 kids. Who wants to marry a working girl anyway? She's stuck. She aims to make $30000 / yr and is not greedy. The other makes $150 K / year but is on the road all the time from city to city.

So BT, if you are getting what you want from this Pro then enjoy it. In the end we all want the "appearance" of affection, desire, and specialness from our Babies. I prefer that my SB not be banging other guys while I am actively dating her, and I certainly don't want her working a book of business numbering dozens of Johns while I think I am helping a naive college girl squeak by. So I delude myself into thinking that my ATF is monogamous.

**Nostra3** · 10-15-13 11:40

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/12/...the-prowl.html

This advice will pretty much guarantee the end of any marriage.

After reading the advice I noticed a large banner ad for Hobby Lobby. Had a good 60 second laugh. Thanks!

**Binder79** · 10-15-13 11:35

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.

I am a lurker here. I am not in a place, geographicaly or in time to participate in the antics like the boul. But I am a big reader of the exploits and look forward to the day when I can join in.

My thought from outside the box is this: If you hook her and reel her in, in the near future she may provide sugar cheaply or even free to keep people in her new life from finding out about her past. Also in the game of getting information to insure "Mutual destruction" in event of blackmail, this is a really big card.

**F Scott** · 10-15-13 11:21

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.

BT,

In my opinion, the Bowl is not about pro's or UTR's, however they may disguise their true identities. It's about meeting and seducing willing but true amateurs. You of all of us seem to have no problem getting the T Bounce, so why mess with this type of "baby"? Where's the sport?

Just my opinion.

Scott.

**BigTigger** · 10-15-13 10:47

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

I replied to a ad on BP. It seemed too good to be true. She was in the age range, price range and body style that I like. I sent a very long email and included all of the text from my ad. I got a response this morning and I am on my way to setting up a first date. Her ad made it clear that there would not be any sex issues and she can host. She has a great smile and what seems like a good attitude.

My others have a little lacking here and there. I will keep you updated.

BigTigg.

Got her email address, did a search and she's also been selling the booty. Ad is a recent as August and she has a website. She was on the same site as the other one that I bounced. So now I'm thinking, in this bowl most of the women need money and am I being too judgmental that I do not want to deal with someone who has been selling the booty. She just got a job at a very reputable establishment and it's possible she's planning to leave that lifestyle. With her new job and my assistance, it may be the first steps to her new life. For some reason I'm still uneasy, in this case since she didn't post an ad "yesterday" like the previous one, I'll talk with her about it and see what she says.

I'd love to hear comments from the other bowlers.

BT.

**BigTigger** · 10-15-13 08:20

I replied to a ad on BP. It seemed too good to be true. She was in the age range, price range and body style that I like. I sent a very long email and included all of the text from my ad. I got a response this morning and I am on my way to setting up a first date. Her ad made it clear that there would not be any sex issues and she can host. She has a great smile and what seems like a good attitude.

My others have a little lacking here and there. I will keep you updated.

BigTigg.

**SubCmdr** · 10-15-13 01:20

I had a four hour meet and greet with a lovely young lady consisting of coffee at Starbucks and then proceeding to IHOP for brunch. It was a spiritually uplifting and emotionally satisfying experience. At the conclusion of the meet and greet marathon, I decided that this one was special. So I invited her to the FC with the idea that all I wanted to do was was enjoy her companionship and cuddle.

Emotional involvement really? GTF! That's why we call it a FUCK chamber people!

The latest addition to my fuck team is a 30-year-old MILF, Redbone, 5'3", curvy. "Red beans and rice didn't miss her. Turn around stick out even white boy's have to shout Baby got Back!'

30 minutes and two glasses of wine later I tell her she's got too many clothes on and to strip and stand before me naked! She agrees that she has to many clothes on and begins to slowly take them off. Starting with her boots and having me assist her remove them. Sexy feet with a French pedicure. Now it's time to take off the the jacket. She reveals a lovely skin tight cut off shirt underneath. She turns to me and asks: "Still to many clothes?" I am like "Yes Baby still to many clothes...strip down to your undies! The black leggings come off. And she pulls her top over her head to reveal a matching pink and gray bra and panty set. The panties have garter belt attachments to it. She's like "wait a second daddy I got my fishnets in my purse." And she goes into her purse pulled them out and attaches them the garter belt. She presents herself an asks, "How do I look?" Well, "I love it!

From that point it's on! Straight fucking; no kissin! I make it a point not to tie on a first date. But since technically this is our second, I oblige her when she asks: "Do you think you have one more in you?. I want to you tie me to your head board and blindfold me. Three hours later, after multiple ejaculations from me and about three times as many orgasms from her, I send her on her way.

My CPO is $40. Don't hate!

SubCmdr.

**SubCmdr** · 10-15-13 01:08

Big shout out to Smokarz_XO! Got to give my brother his props. He schooled me on a new tactic that landed me two new babies in one day.

Brother Smokarz_XO you the the man!

SubCmdr.

**Golfcart** · 10-14-13 22:44

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

I'm looking at CL to rent a FC month to month. Anyone ever consider this? Any luck?

No. Being photographed in the parking lot. Seems like we'd be a sitting duck with every girl wanting her own key. She gets evicted and wants to move in. Landlord's paperwork subject to subpoena duces tecum. Doing laundry. "Where'd that spot come from?"