"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Member #5570** · 09-20-13 14:00

Originally Posted by Marcus Weiner [View Original Post]

Extra Sensory Perception! Mind Reading. Not Extra Smelly Pussy!

LOL. Glad it's not the latter.

**LikeMike1963** · 09-20-13 12:55

About 5 yrs agoI met a girl off of a local social site specific to my area. We met for lunch and I gave her a $50 gift card after our meeting. I do not usually offer funds to meet but if I like the girl I will then give them a spiff. She was way UTR and from conversation etc I was likely her first SD into the bowl. We did not even talk money etc until after our lunch. I texted her and asked if she still had an interest and she said yes. So I made an offer of an allowance of $1200 meh. I said how often would she be available and she said whenever I wanted. She does have a 2 yr old at the time. Annnnnd so were off after our next meeting. Blonde. 5" 5' blue eyes fit. Seems nice enough but has grown up in a difficult background. Pretty good in the FC. And willing to have all entry ways filled. Some bondage etc. I have her on the green dot and tell her I will load 2x a mth $600. All good for the first meh. She made time when I wanted and heck. She even texted a couple times and said. I have a couple hours available you should come fuck me. So its like the 3rd payment on the card and I text her the code. I made an error. Left off or added a number so when she tried to reload it did not work. I am on the road driving and I get this text right out of the gate saying "WTF. Did you give me a fake code. I'm like ummm no. But I am driving and will check out what happened in a couple hours when I stop. She was like I need it right now. I'm like. Umm can't do. So in a couple hours I ck and get her the right number. Of course I am like WTF. But go back to the routine. Same thing happen about 6 weeks later. And she is like you better not be trying to f me over etc. I have since learned more about her background and can see where the explosive personality comes from. So. Now I am like how do I bail with minimal damage. Soo. I am perusing the SD sites under my fake profile (for the nubs. You should ALWAYS have 2 profiles. A real one and a fake one so you can double check your babies to see if they really shut down theirs). Annnnd she has now officially enetered the bowl herself. I do not say anything for a couple weeks. And then she is not as available as she use to be. You can guess why. Another SD. (FYI. Ground rules were no other SD's). So I lie and say some story about a couple bad months at work and Imay have to cut back on the allowance. She is like. Thats fine cause I have a new guy and is giving me $3k amth and a car. We have all heard that story. So I'm like thats fine. I wish you well. WELL. I'll be damned. I see pics posted of her on her local social site. Driving a BMW. Pics of her on trips. And new boobs to boot. This is all over about 4 mths time. Then I see her profile reappear on the SD site. Annnnnd no more BMW pics. So obviously she got snappy with her new SD and he said f off. I was of course like. I dodged a bullet and feel some sorrow for the new guy. But hey. Its the chances we take. She is on the SD site off and on over a couple years then no more. I find her on FB and friend her (using fake profile) just to monger. I see she is not working etc and complaining about money. So I say hey. You up to work something out (under my fake profile) and she is like yeah. A little back and forth and I offer her $300 to meet. She says she needs 3, 000. Yeah RIGHT. I say $300. She says my car needs work but can meet for $1500. Whatever. I end it there. Now we come to Aug 2013. I am pursing the BP ads and low and behold. She is not an escort. Now I do not wish her ill will and she has since had another child. So there are alot of unfortunate factors in her life. Which I wish better for any person. But she then is arrested for doing the deed. Its justa sotry of the rise and fall of a GPS. So to the baby's that peruse this forum. If you have a good SD. And he treats you fairly. Actually cares. And plans on having you around. Do not be so quick to cross the fence to the greener grass. Remember. That green grass probably has alot of fetilizer just below the surface!

**Marcus Weiner** · 09-20-13 11:24

There are 10 charlatans for every real SB on WYP. I have a rotation of 4 or 5 girls that I've met off of there. Each one knew what the stakes were and what I was looking for. Only common sense and good communication will help you win. I've made it clear to several that M&G's were gratis, with exception to the meal and drinks they were getting. The ones that have a problem with it, and aren't even open to being offered gas money, are only gold-diggers and not interested in a true SD / SB relationship.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Check out Anderson Cooper 's show segment on WYP 12/10/2012. One woman was laughing about ripping off the guys who pay big bucks for wining and dining her. You could luck out and hit it off with your expensive date but this model is a loser as far as I can see. At least with SA sex is on the table unless otherwise stated. Saw a few profiles in my area sex was explicitly not an option. Really?

**FredMoore** · 09-20-13 09:58

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.

Check out Anderson Cooper 's show segment on WYP 12/10/2012. One woman was laughing about ripping off the guys who pay big bucks for wining and dining her. You could luck out and hit it off with your expensive date but this model is a loser as far as I can see. At least with SA sex is on the table unless otherwise stated. Saw a few profiles in my area sex was explicitly not an option. Really?

**Marcus Weiner** · 09-20-13 09:36

Extra Sensory Perception! Mind Reading. Not Extra Smelly Pussy!

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

MW, what is ESP?

**Member #5570** · 09-20-13 09:03

MW, what is ESP?

**Revvo** · 09-20-13 08:30

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

To good to be true, always . Bad oral hygiene

I hate that. I don't understand. I am not a prude and I am not afraid to dive in there and play all kinds of kinky games.

But please come to the game smelling good. What is it with these women that don't understand this?

I thought that was a guy thing.

Anyway good point Tig.

Revvo

**BigTigger** · 09-20-13 08:11

Originally Posted by HappyHunter44 [View Original Post]

Thanks, BigTigger! I get the point of putting in a little investment. "priming the pump" so-to-speak. I will add this to my approach.

If they balk at gas money, then you know it really is a waste of time. You can also say,"if we decide to do more than meet and greet, of course I will give more. I just don't want the giving to be unbalanced with were we are in our SD / SB relationship."

BT

**Graham111** · 09-20-13 07:54

I would estimate 75% of them are on SA or SD4M or AM or another site. Don't waste your time!

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.

**HappyHunter44** · 09-20-13 06:46

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

I usually cover gas and depending on how the date goes may throw in a little extra.

Thanks, BigTigger! I get the point of putting in a little investment. "priming the pump" so-to-speak. I will add this to my approach.

**BigTigger** · 09-20-13 02:10

To good to be true, always is.

I will update more later, but in rapid fire.

She is bi and has a gf, who has a key. So I have to treat her like she is married.

She requires little money but lots of attention.

Bad oral hygiene

**BigTigger** · 09-20-13 02:06

Originally Posted by HappyHunter44 [View Original Post]

I am with you here.

I am new to the bowl (couple months) and finding out that GPS is more prevalent then I thought. I was exchanging emails with this babe today, and she is all excited about a M & G. Sounds like a plan. Found her today and set up a M & G for tomorrow lunch. The kicker is she then asks how much am I bringing for her to the M & G. I nicely said no sugar just to have coffee and lunch. Her next move is crickets. No response. Her loss, not mine for I still have my money and did not waste 2 hours.

My first set of POTs have not worked out. Four GPS and two cold feet the day of the first meet. But getting the hang of it because I am getting them into conversation to meet the same day and doing a good job of weeding out the GPS girls real quick. I agree the young ones need to be snagged fast because many do "freeze" when they figure out they have to put out for real.

I usually cover gas and depending on how the date goes may throw in a little extra.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-20-13 01:19

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didn't ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.

Went and met her in the parking lot of her apartment bldg tonite. She was more like a 6/4/6/3. Only tested her kissing skills. (not good) Only cost me 5 dollars gas and an hour of my time. 3 latina m&g's in 3 weeks. And nothing. The one I really want is a girl that works at the same club as my "girlfriend". I have seen her internet ad. Boy am I tempted. 5'5' and 100 lbs. But all hell would break loose when I got caught as this girl tells her almost everything.

http://310-867-0724.escortphonelist....u-1102852.html

**HappyHunter44** · 09-19-13 21:15

Originally Posted by Marcus Weiner [View Original Post]

I'm sorry but I believe a M&G should not have any compensation, .

I am with you here.

I am new to the bowl (couple months) and finding out that GPS is more prevalent then I thought. I was exchanging emails with this babe today, and she is all excited about a M & G. Sounds like a plan. Found her today and set up a M & G for tomorrow lunch. The kicker is she then asks how much am I bringing for her to the M & G. I nicely said no sugar just to have coffee and lunch. Her next move is crickets. No response. Her loss, not mine for I still have my money and did not waste 2 hours.

My first set of POTs have not worked out. Four GPS and two cold feet the day of the first meet. But getting the hang of it because I am getting them into conversation to meet the same day and doing a good job of weeding out the GPS girls real quick. I agree the young ones need to be snagged fast because many do "freeze" when they figure out they have to put out for real.

**Marcus Weiner** · 09-19-13 20:03

I've been downloading some pics to post on here. All of these girls have GPS or are complete charlatans! The site was started by the guy who started SA, and I've found the same profiles on both sites. The problem I believe with WYP is that the site posts a huge disclaimer that says "Sex should not be expected on the first date" Huh? Smoke and Revvo, you've seen some of the SB's in my rotation and they are all very similar in appearance to these girls. I suppose my problem is that my offers are always pretty high, and these girls are expecting my offer, plus dinner, drinks and nothing else. I'm sorry but I believe a M&G should not have any compensation, other than the meal and drinks I'm buying. I've even let them know that I would give them 25% of my offer and the other 75% in escrow or retention for the FC. But with most of these girls it's either all or nothing. Some will agree to the FC for the offer, the rest tell me that I'm looking for a "hooker", and that's not what they are. After a rather prolonged discussion with one POT which was going nowhere after the "hooker" line was brought up, I told her to take a good long look in the mirror and loose my number. Anyway, if you play on WYP or even SA and live in the Baltimore DC area, do not waste your time with these GPS POT's or charlatans.