"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BigTigger]

To good to be true, always is.

I will update more later, but in rapid fire.

She is bi and has a gf, who has a key. So I have to treat her like she is married.

She requires little money but lots of attention.

Bad oral hygiene

[BigTigger]

I am with you here.

I am new to the bowl (couple months) and finding out that GPS is more prevalent then I thought. I was exchanging emails with this babe today, and she is all excited about a M & G. Sounds like a plan. Found her today and set up a M & G for tomorrow lunch. The kicker is she then asks how much am I bringing for her to the M & G. I nicely said no sugar just to have coffee and lunch. Her next move is crickets. No response. Her loss, not mine for I still have my money and did not waste 2 hours.

My first set of POTs have not worked out. Four GPS and two cold feet the day of the first meet. But getting the hang of it because I am getting them into conversation to meet the same day and doing a good job of weeding out the GPS girls real quick. I agree the young ones need to be snagged fast because many do "freeze" when they figure out they have to put out for real.

I usually cover gas and depending on how the date goes may throw in a little extra.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didn't ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.

Went and met her in the parking lot of her apartment bldg tonite. She was more like a 6/4/6/3. Only tested her kissing skills. (not good) Only cost me 5 dollars gas and an hour of my time. 3 latina m&g's in 3 weeks. And nothing. The one I really want is a girl that works at the same club as my "girlfriend". I have seen her internet ad. Boy am I tempted. 5'5' and 100 lbs. But all hell would break loose when I got caught as this girl tells her almost everything.

http://310-867-0724.escortphonelist....u-1102852.html

[HappyHunter44]

I'm sorry but I believe a M&G should not have any compensation, .

I am with you here.

I am new to the bowl (couple months) and finding out that GPS is more prevalent then I thought. I was exchanging emails with this babe today, and she is all excited about a M & G. Sounds like a plan. Found her today and set up a M & G for tomorrow lunch. The kicker is she then asks how much am I bringing for her to the M & G. I nicely said no sugar just to have coffee and lunch. Her next move is crickets. No response. Her loss, not mine for I still have my money and did not waste 2 hours.

My first set of POTs have not worked out. Four GPS and two cold feet the day of the first meet. But getting the hang of it because I am getting them into conversation to meet the same day and doing a good job of weeding out the GPS girls real quick. I agree the young ones need to be snagged fast because many do "freeze" when they figure out they have to put out for real.

[Marcus Weiner]

I've been downloading some pics to post on here. All of these girls have GPS or are complete charlatans! The site was started by the guy who started SA, and I've found the same profiles on both sites. The problem I believe with WYP is that the site posts a huge disclaimer that says "Sex should not be expected on the first date" Huh? Smoke and Revvo, you've seen some of the SB's in my rotation and they are all very similar in appearance to these girls. I suppose my problem is that my offers are always pretty high, and these girls are expecting my offer, plus dinner, drinks and nothing else. I'm sorry but I believe a M&G should not have any compensation, other than the meal and drinks I'm buying. I've even let them know that I would give them 25% of my offer and the other 75% in escrow or retention for the FC. But with most of these girls it's either all or nothing. Some will agree to the FC for the offer, the rest tell me that I'm looking for a "hooker", and that's not what they are. After a rather prolonged discussion with one POT which was going nowhere after the "hooker" line was brought up, I told her to take a good long look in the mirror and loose my number. Anyway, if you play on WYP or even SA and live in the Baltimore DC area, do not waste your time with these GPS POT's or charlatans.

[Member #5570]

Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.

[Member #5570]

Brother Smoke,

I didn't mean to chastise you or sound cranky. It was more advice to some of the newbies who have just joined the Club, using your words as a jumping off point. And I agree with you that things would be immensely simpler if I were single. Right now I am hammered with work, so can't even think about FC time for the next two or three weeks.

I am, however, having coffee with Skittish Baby tomorrow morning, (unless she goes to ground again) , but that will be all I can spare, time-wise. I don't mind, as I really do enjoy her company, and she is so beautiful that I am happy just looking at her. It will be interesting, as this will be the first time, post-fucking, that I have seen her, and no longer will I be imagining what she looks like naked. How nice it would be to end a long day at work having dinner with an HYB less than half my age, end up back at her apartment for drinks and some hot aerobics, then wake up the next morning with wood and have something fun to do with it?

Ah well, one can dream,

Scott

Indeed, that would be very nice.

And are you still imagining how good your yoga instructor would look without her clothes? .

I see that could be an amazing adventure once you get her POF. LOL

[Member #5570]

Smoke,

That is a great story. And I really enjoyed reading the adventure. Sounds like you have a keeper there. One thing I must caution you on. And you mention it in the post above. If she is that great it will not be long before you find competition for your little precious gem. So take a word to the wise and don't skimp.

I am constantly amazed out the quality pussy that can be had for the least amount of cost. But remember this is not a poor mans game. Of course we want to control our costs. But don't go to the point of low balling yourself out of the game. Be good to your baby. If she is of the quality you allude to she will be good to you. She is very young so far. But she will grow wiser.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

That's very solid advice Rev. And being the married guy that I am, I've always play the bowl very cautiously, and always try to keep things in perspective.

1) All great things must come to an end. Yes it took me quite a while, actually a very long time, to find my new ATF, but unless I am prepared to leave the wife, the family, and the life that I have now it's just a matter of when, not if, she's going to walk away. As stated here numerous times, these babies don't love us but they do love what we can do for them and that's the only reason why they gave up those young pussies to us.

2) There's always a higher bidder out there, that's why it's so critical to hit a new girl when she's shows up in the bowl and close the deal ASAP. If she's a truly civi girl, she'll stop looking and probably closed out her profile for a while. But if she has the slightest UTR, semi-UTR, or GPS mentality, she'll always look for that higher bidder and there's always a guy out there that are willing to pay her more than what you can give her. And I am also hoping that my personality would sway them towards my lower bid. I don't mean too sound arrogant (not at all) , but I am a decent looking guy in his mid 30's, and I like to think that I have a bit of humor and charm in me to keep the baby entertain. So the bottom line here is, make a budget that you're comfortable with and stick to it. Don't do something that you would later regret. I think there had been many lessons learned here by the early brothers. But again, if you're cheap to a girl, you're just asking for an early ending.

3) Fuck it like it's the last time. With these babies, they could disappear at any time for any given reason so I always go into the FC as it was the last time I am fucking that sweet young thang because it might me the last.

[F Scott]

I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.

Brother Smoke,

I didn't mean to chastise you or sound cranky. It was more advice to some of the newbies who have just joined the Club, using your words as a jumping off point. And I agree with you that things would be immensely simpler if I were single. Right now I am hammered with work, so can't even think about FC time for the next two or three weeks.
I am, however, having coffee with Skittish Baby tomorrow morning, (unless she goes to ground again), but that will be all I can spare, time-wise. I don't mind, as I really do enjoy her company, and she is so beautiful that I am happy just looking at her. It will be interesting, as this will be the first time, post-fucking, that I have seen her, and no longer will I be imagining what she looks like naked. How nice it would be to end a long day at work having dinner with an HYB less than half my age, end up back at her apartment for drinks and some hot aerobics, then wake up the next morning with wood and have something fun to do with it?

Ah well, one can dream,

Scott

[HollywoodGuy]

Interesting comments from the sb. What do you write in opening letter and how much?

I write real things about me and what I am interested in. I am a little flirty. But not gross or creepy. I let them know I don't need to fuck on the first date. I always offer $ per visit and half of all first dates end up in the FC. And 100% of all 2nd dates. I only pay to play, not just meet or hang out.

I had to cancel the m&g on this girl today due to work. Probably just gonna go see her tonite and sample the merchandise. If all goes well I think I can get her to come to me during the day tomorrow and hang for 2 to 3 hours for the $. She definitely does not require more. She is a regular looking but kinda sexy young MILF. I need a break from these prom queens for a day. And just be with an overly grateful girl that cant wait to show me how needy she is.

[Revvo]

Brother Scott, you are correct. This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. And I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.

Now a little update to my newly designated ATF. So we exchanged a few texts today just to check on each other and set up our next FC date. So during the exchanges, she revealed to me that she cum 3 times during during our session. I suspected she cum several times, but wasn't quite sure. Hey sorry, I haven't reach that level yet where I can tell exactly how many times a girl cum. And she was very vocal during our last session so I jokingly told her that I need to turn on the TV next time so not to attract our neighbors and she told me that was her being quiet. God damn, sounds like I need to get a sound proof room. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. Which is true, I am very picky when I go down town. If I ever detect the slightest odor, I'll never dive in. And she does have one of the tastiest pussies I have ever ate. These poor young girls, us old dirty bastards are like their knights in white when it comes to fucking. I don't think they've ever experience sex like this until they meet one of us dirty dicks.

Anyway, our date is tentatively set for Thursday, again with the only expectation is that I cover her cab fee. However, she did ask if I could load up her card with a little something so she could grab a few things for the house. I told her I will do that at the end of this week so she could do some weekend shopping. She said that would be perfect and thanks me for it. I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.

I am trying to keep her on a low budget and she how that develops. You know once you feed a girl with sugars, they always want more, it's just natural so we'll see how this will play out in the coming weeks. It's best IMO to start low and go up from there, but once you start high there's no coming back. But again, this would only (if it does) work on a truly civi girl.

Smoke,

That is a great story. And I really enjoyed reading the adventure. Sounds like you have a keeper there. One thing I must caution you on. And you mention it in the post above. If she is that great it will not be long before you find competition for your little precious gem. So take a word to the wise and don't skimp.

I am constantly amazed out the quality pussy that can be had for the least amount of cost. But remember this is not a poor mans game. Of course we want to control our costs. But don't go to the point of low balling yourself out of the game. Be good to your baby. If she is of the quality you allude to she will be good to you. She is very young so far. But she will grow wiser.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[JoeBlowDC]

Could only upload ten pics per report?

Anyway here is the little goth spinner. More pics to share with those who are serious about helping her out.

[JoeBlowDC]

Ok gents this is my first report so please be kind –

For the past several months I have been RTTF and digging though the various message boards for tips and trick of the trade. I've been working the various dating sites civi and SB / SD. For me even the fringe civi dating sites have yielded no results and it seems SA is way too fully of GPS to even bother with any more. I had success with one girl who, come to find out, works a pretty well known (TheothER site) 'massage' place in NoVa – she wanted $$$$$ per visit. Can you say GPS? I've been trying the method of hitting up the SBs that have just joined the site in hoping to get to them before they get jaded and start asking for $5k-$10K a month but no new nibbles yet. So my bottom line on SA – damn fine women just way too much GPS for my wallet.

Where I have had my most success is with girls from a few CL ad I had posted. I'm still trying to get it down to a methodology that you guys could be proud off but I'm a long way off. You have to spend a sometime weeding through the spam and hoodrats BUT they can pay off. Even had a couple Mayhem models answer but of course they are looking for WAY more than this monger is willing to pay.

I've found a couple babies off of CL and one in particular who was DYN-o-MITE. I responded to a post she had on CL and she replied right back. She is a little semi-goth spinner up from Miami and is a total GFE experience. Surprise, she is also into the BDSM / Dominatrix scene and I am sure damn good – just not my cup O tea. All the letters of the alphabet except for the chocolate starfish and well worth the $$ donation.

She is trying to build a clientele down here in the DC / NoVa region so any seniors who are interested I'm happy to pass the info. She is very responsive to e-mail but doesn't have a car so you would have to go to her. Seniors hit me up so we can show the girl some love!

[Member #5570]

So my second date with the newly minted ATF didn't happen today. She fell ill, and the girl has asthma as well. I talked to her and she sounded like shit, so I know she wasn't giving some lame excuses. Well, got to wait till next week.

[Graham111]

Interesting comments from the sb. What do you write in opening letter and how much?

You can't count pennies, but the $ adds up quick if you are on a once a day or so diet of low fat pussy. I rarely go DATY, and thats one of the only things keeping me with my 19 year old. Its actually the best pussy I ever tasted. Seems impossible but true. Got bored tonite and hit up a few girls. A 27 year old petite dark skinned latina got back to me.

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didn't ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.