"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

I have been thinking about this lately. And I have been discussing this with a friend of mine also who is not in the bowl. And The discussion below really triggered me to write some comments about it. There is a whole lot of pussy out there waiting for someone to fuck them.

First my friend. He is 48 Years old, and retired from a civil servant job, OK income. Former alcoholic, overweight, on his third marriage but has a very charming personality. We talk about what I have been doing and what he is doing all of the time. He is currently fucking three different women in his neighborhood. Now he is a boob man so they all have large breasts. I have seen the pics. They are late 30's to mid 40's MILFs and are all attractive. One is very hot and is probably in love with him. When I say he fucks them what I really mean is he gets full on blow jobs with swallow from them on a regular basis. He rarely ever fucks them. I am amazed by this because I am sure they are all wanting to get fucked also.

But goes to show you the pussy is out there. And good quality women are out there waiting for someone to fuck them. He can literally pick up the phone and call them and tell them he wants to meet and they show up wherever he says and sucks his dick, draining him of all his juices. And then go back to their husbands as if nothing is wrong. Man isn't marriage a wonderful institution? But that is another subject.

Then there is me. This week I was scheduled to fuck 4 women, three babies and one very flaky POT. In addition I had two babies that texted me wanting to fuck them that I could not or would not get to. And one more I can call anytime but I just don't have the desire for her. I ended up plowing the three babies. And the flake? Well she flaked of course. This is not to brag. This is to make a point that another SD on this site made a long time ago. The pussy is out there a lot of it. Waiting for someone to fuck them! Like juicy peaches waiting to be plucked.

I would have never believed this a year ago. I would have thought maybe every once in a while you can find a nice looking woman that is in a weak moment and bam you get lucky. Luck has nothing to do with it. This is about work and having the ability to perceive this opportunity.

And I am not talking about skanks, or wh-s, or ugly women, or even UTRs (still not sure what that is). I am talking about quality women that are walking around every day wanting sex and not getting it. For example. My first ATF the only one I would really classify as a 10 or close to it. Had not been fucked for 4 years before I came along. She was so much fun. It was like going to Disney World. I did a very cute AA a couple of weeks ago that said I was her third man ever. I have another one that has only had five men her entire life and has not fucked in two years before me. She cried when we first had sex. (hopefully it wasn't from poor performance LOL). My little Brazillian princess gets to fuck me only about twice per month and does not want anyone else.

And the quality is very good. I never fuck anything below a 7. I'm sorry I can't even get hard for an ugly woman. I don't have 10's like some of the SD's on here but I hav e plenty of 8's and a few 9's. And more importantly they are all quality women. Meaning they are educated, careers, good neighborhoods, fun to be with, witty, sane, and very very willing to please me sexually any way they can.

Honestly what endeavor in this world can you get all of that for a nominal amount of money. And don't tell me your wife. I have done the math and I figure my wife costs me about 60 grand per year. The point is to understand the pussy is out there to be had and someone needs to fuck these women.

And every day how many more thousands of women join these sites looking for a man to fuck them and to treat them with a little respect, understanding, generosity and fun.

Lets pick that fruit. Put pick carefully and don't bruise them.

Revvo

[Revvo]

I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott

A couple of more thoughts. The sugar bowl is a wonderful place to find true amateurs who want to fuck and are maybe just a little bit kinkier than the average woman. In addition you can engage in some really great discreet affairs with very attractive to beautiful young women. But it is work.

A lot of work. And frustration and failure. And not a little expense to learn the game. In fact I would say that if I was single and did not have to sneak around my ability to score with hot women in the normal world would be a lot easier. And a lot less expensive. Also If you just want to find a hot piece of ass to fuck for a reasonable price a good looking escort would be a lot easier, less time wasted and maybe even cheaper.

But the sugar bowl is an experience. And that experience is a few things, its the chance you take to go after a young beautiful woman, the chase to try to get her emotionally as well as sexually, the conquest of finally getting that hard inexperienced body for the first time. Its about the seduction, and the affinity you create for one another. I learned from another master (Hollywood) on this site to not negotiate. Once you start down that negotiation path about a woman and her body most of what I mentioned above is lost.

At that point she is feeling degraded and cheap and everything she has been taught her whole life is telling her that this is a bad thing.

Of course there are other women out there that don't care about any of these things. But what is the fun in that. At least for me I lose interest in those quickly.

So forget about the quick, cheap, unfulfilling fix and settle in for a total experience beyond anything you can imagine. Or not.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[Member #5570]

This one takes the cake, first time a religoous zealot responded to an ad. Response to ad.

"The pictures you requested". GOD.

Seal of Jezebel The working girl. Israel Museum.

http://www.formerthings.com/jezebel.htm

Fornicators. Video Ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah.

http://isaiah666.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm

'Whoremongers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death' – Revelation 21.

'The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the gospel. If you do not repent you will die in your sins' – Jesus.

"Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire'. Jude.

Wow.

Guess we are all doomed to the lake of fire, I hope Johnny Cash is there and they let me sit in on stand up bass.

Loo. I bet you posted in the talent Gigs section. I just posted there and got some pretty funny, sometimes nasty, responses.

[Member #5570]

Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?

In a locked drawer at the office. I am sure you can find a place to hide things.

[Revvo]

I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott

Listen to brother Scott. This was a failed engagement from the beginning. Couple of thoughts. Ease up on the approach. If this is a true amateur, which I doubt she was. When you say I want to fuck you to any type of woman that is normal and inexperienced she is going to be immediately be turned off.

So say she is still interested because she needs the money. She is now thinking you are a creep and if she has to deal with a creep then she is going to charge you for it. You have just increased your own starting price. I have had babies not charge me anything just because they like me and the chemistry is so high. I am doing one right now that I have never paid a cent and she is an awesome fuck.

Work more on your game. Read some of the stories in the thread there are some talented guys on this thread.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[Graham1]

Move on. Every negotiation I have had that did not meet agreement quickly has been a problem relationship. Don; t even bother. There are plenty more!

Hello fellow adventurers! I've now been casually wading around in your well hunted waters for about a month. I've got one HCB firmly in the SB category and I really like her. She's cute and smart and incredibly normal. I'd give her straight 9s. Thank you all for this encyclopedia of how to get incredibly hot young pussy for next to nothing. This is the best thing ever.

I thought about just sticking to the one girl because she really is quite amazing in every way. Nando 6 maybe, but I don't dare call that out after only one of these relationships. But, long story short, I decided I want some other young pussy. Call me crazy.

So I was texting with this girl who is a student at Indiana U and I thought I'd ask the group how they would negotiate the following situation from here.

Me: So are you still looking to earn some extra money?

Her: Yes! I wondered why you didn't respond! .

Me: No apologies necessary! Let me know when you can be back in town for an evening so we can hang out.

Her: Well actually I don't mind driving up if you don't mind paying.

Me: How much seems fair to just get straight to business? No sense beating around the Bush!

Her: Gas, meeting half way would be great as well. A little something extra guaranteed for the trip though. Its a long way to drive for nothing, I'm sure you understand.

Me: Name what is fair to you. I want you to be all in.

Her: Well it depends on what we do.

Me: I want to fuck you. You are very pretty and very cool. And I want to fuck you.

Her: Mmmm. Well it's 900 for that.

Me: Well there is no way we are even going to get close to that.

Her: I'm sorry.

Me: That is what I am paying per month for a girl who is literally a fashion model. If you have someone doing that for you then hang on to him!

Me: I'm sorry too.

Me: If you change your mind and want a steady $1, 000 a month please don't lose my number!

Her: For how many meets?

Me: Once a week.

Her: That's only 250 a meet no way.

Me: That is what the prettiest girls are asking so I don't know what guys you have met? What arrangements have you had so far?

Her: You're extremely insulting. I'm gorgeous and if you're trying to say otherwise just to talk me down forget it. I really thought you were a nicer guy than that.

Her: And trying to lie and say you're new at this when you've clearly been at it for awhile.

Her: I would do 500 but seriously no less. 300 for no intimacy.

Me: I have met one person and that's it but I've talked to a lot. I'm not tying to insult you and I would never do so. That's not me.

Her: Well just for future reference, you're not going to get very far talking about how much prettier other women are. I've been offered 10, 000 a month when all I did was go to dinner with the guy. I'm really not joking. And the reason I said no was because he was extremely creepy nd made me feel like a piece of meat. And he investigated my personal life and it was freaking me out. So sorry 250 isn't even close and I'm worth a lot more.

Her: Especially when I'd have to drive to Indy all the time.

Me: Ok. I truly did not mean to offend you. I wasn't comparing your looks. I hope you don't have to hang out with some creeps! We are just not on the same page which is sad. Maybe someday we will be!

Her: I'll settle for 450 but this makes me pretty sad.

End.

So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?

[Graham1]

Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?

Couple of small boxes in my shop. Never find them!

[Nostra3]

I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott

Thanks, Gents. Good advice. I have her on ignore and will keep hunting.

Scott, I hope you get that yoga girl. That would be monumental and we'd all love to hear the blow-by-blow.

[Nostra3]

My friend, let me introduce to this place call Amazon dot com. I usually pick up up a 100 pack from them for less than $15. I only use the OKAMOTO brands. Super thin and fit really well. Hey, I am not lucky enough to carry a magnum around in my boxer like most of you guys. .

The only concern to ordering online is you just hope that your SO won't be the one opening up the package. Lucky for me, my SO never bothers with mails. Even if we have a few packages sitting right on the front door.

That's only 15 cents per rubber, a significant savings. The only time I ever picked up a rubber from the drug store is because I ran out and my order didn't come on time.

With some of you guys having multiple SBs in the rotation and meeting them 2-3 times a week, with multiple pops per meet. The math is on your side.

Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?

[WoodSlinger]

This one takes the cake, first time a religoous zealot responded to an ad. Response to ad.

"The pictures you requested". GOD.

Seal of Jezebel The working girl. Israel Museum.

http://www.formerthings.com/jezebel.htm

Fornicators. Video Ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah.

http://isaiah666.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm

'Whoremongers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death' – Revelation 21.

'The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the gospel. If you do not repent you will die in your sins' – Jesus.

"Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire'. Jude.

Wow.

Guess we are all doomed to the lake of fire, I hope Johnny Cash is there and they let me sit in on stand up bass.

[Member #5570]

So in the never ending quest to control the significant costs of this wonderful hobby. I noticed that the cost of a three pack of condoms at the local CVS / Walgreens is an exhorbitant $7. 80. Never really paid much attention to this because it was a small amount. But I started to do the math and it was costing me around $60. 00 per month just for these convenient 3 packs of rubbers! Too much I say. Hell I could get a vasectomy for the cost of 9 months of condoms. So I noticed that at Walmart they are less than half the cost for the same item. But even better I was the large forty pack. It was only an astounding $10. 00 at Walmart! Hell it would take me about two months to go through that many. This really adds up.

My friend, let me introduce to this place call Amazon dot com. I usually pick up up a 100 pack from them for less than $15. I only use the OKAMOTO brands. Super thin and fit really well. Hey, I am not lucky enough to carry a magnum around in my boxer like most of you guys. .

The only concern to ordering online is you just hope that your SO won't be the one opening up the package. Lucky for me, my SO never bothers with mails. Even if we have a few packages sitting right on the front door.

That's only 15 cents per rubber, a significant savings. The only time I ever picked up a rubber from the drug store is because I ran out and my order didn't come on time.

With some of you guys having multiple SBs in the rotation and meeting them 2-3 times a week, with multiple pops per meet. The math is on your side.

[Member #5570]

Just curious how many of you swordsmen are using Craigslist and having success. I have a couple of ads that work pretty damn well, I don't get dozens of replies unless you count the spam, but I do get quality replies. Testing ad types and wording has taught me a few things.

Tips.

1. Use verbiage that says "I can help" in an ad title that says something along the lines of Bills Suck. By far my most responded to ad.

2. Mentioning that you are looking for a sugar baby will often get your ad flagged.

3. Think outside the box. Casual encounters are full of leeches and SPAM magnets, talent gigs is not.

I too had a few nice pick ups on CL. Typically the HYM types. I still occasionally throw a few ads out there to see who response. 80% of the time is spam, and 15% of the time are girls that I would not be interested in. That 5% does make it worth it sometimes.

[HollywoodGuy]

So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?

I wouldn't. Waste of time

[Igor Mongorsky]

So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?

Have you actually met this girl? I wouldn't want to commit to much of anything (maybe gas money or lunch) without seeing who I'm dealing with. Let's say you meet and she's as hot as you think, but is a cold fish. Now you've wasted 450, the hotel and all your time. Meeting isn't foolproof, but you can tell if there is some sort of chemistry.

[F Scott]

Offer her your bottom line and put it back on her. I would be shocked if you hear back.

Keep looking.

I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott