"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-31-13 16:59

Forgetting the obviously outlandish offers even an 18 year old won't believe. But keeping in mind they might consider a legit offer of $$$ - $$$$$ from a real SD. Lately I have been telling the new girls "I realize you are reading all the big money offers. Just remember. You get what they pay for."

I remember an escort I used to see that wasn't worth the $ a date I was paying her. But she routinely got $$$ a date from guys that made her cringe or worse. I do believe this thread is about developing game. I hope I am contributing to that in some way as mine has definitely gone up in the short time I have been here.

**Wnde8** · 07-31-13 16:00

Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?

**Spitfire** · 07-31-13 15:41

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Secret,

As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.

In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.

Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.

If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

If you chat with someone who has GPS, say something like "if you find someone who will provide you with (whatever amount) per month, then you take it" and be willing to move on without her. More times than not she'll circle back to you.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 15:15

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.

Secret,

As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.

In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.

Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.

If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

**Secret2** · 07-31-13 15:00

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.

That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 14:39

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Scott.

Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?

Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.

Smoke,

Thanks for the compliment!

That's right, average monthly total for all babies. Some months more, some less, but that is the average. I don't see each baby every week, though, but I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's a business transaction.

I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.

I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table lol! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.

For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.

Scott

**Member #5570** · 07-31-13 14:16

Scott.

Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?

Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 12:30

Originally Posted by Pats Fan1 [View Original Post]

A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.

So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.

By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"

I created a fake baby profile when I was first starting out in the Bowl, just to see how things went and maybe pick up a few pointers on how to word my profile, initial message, follow-up, etc. Like you, I was pleased to see how lame most of the texts were, and how a majority of the guys on the site were apparently millionaire Abecrombie models who made 250K a year LOL!

As we all know, one can say anything on the internet, but the proof is in the follow-thru. I have heard stories about guys promising thousands per month, but scamming a "test drive" for a couple Bennies, the "per meet average" of 2K x 8 meets / month, and then vanishing. Soon enough these girls learn the reality of things, and I often have been contacted a week or two after an initial m&g by a baby who was lured away by false promises, only to realize that I was the real deal all along. Fortunately, all it takes is one time being scammed for them to develop a sensitive BS meter.

The key to success, I believe, is to be your honest self, (secret identity nothwithstanding) , polish your text, contact and follow-up, stick to what you can afford, and let the right babies find you. They always do, trust me.

Scott

PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.

**Bucktrain** · 07-31-13 11:48

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?

Being Asian myself I can tell you that it depends on if she is "Americanized" or not. If she was born here or moved here at a young age and grew up here then white men definitely have the best shot, even better than an Asian guy LOL. Of course it all depends on the girl too. Luckily for me I don't like Asian women. :-D

**Pats Fan1** · 07-31-13 08:41

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.

So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.

By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 21:16

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!

Thanks for the props. I also have met a few girls that are not shy at all about the $. But they certainly do enjoy a night of conversation, dinner or hanging out. Sugar comes in all flavors.

**Dsprdo** · 07-30-13 17:37

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Just curious

Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 11:58

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?

Asian dating sites? Most cultures tend to stick to members of the opposite sex from their culture. The ones that don't almost never date within their own culture. So if an asian / AA / hispanic girl is flirting with you, you probably aren't the first. i would say sugar dating is almost the norm and totally acceptable in most cultures except the USA.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 10:56

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. SA says the SB on that site received that amount

This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.

**Hernando** · 07-30-13 10:52

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?