"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BikeRider]

Pots

Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.

Japanese women are very familiar with the sugar bowl. The term in Japanese is enjo kosai. Or compensated dating.

I won't be surprised if she becomes your ATF. The Japanese women I've been fortunate enough to date in my life have been, for the most part, the best lovers I've had. Good hunting!

[BikeRider]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

She'd have to be WAY above average for me to pay that much per month! .

[Secret2]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

[John G Smith]

I've already had quite a bit of turn-over from my update in early July. A couple of the SBs I thought showed promise ended up being busts. I also made a push to capture my unicorn this month (a pure Asian SB). I contacted quite a few Asian SBs and I ended up getting some good prospects from it. I also cleverly lured back one of my long-time SBs. But let's first review the pots / SBs from last month.

Busts

Asian MILF. She didn't look quite as good in person. We did a M&G and I could tell we just didn't have the right vibe. After the M&G apparently she deleted my number because when I contacted her a couple of days later she didn't even know who I was even though we had texted frequently a few days prior. She simply told me she was no longer interested and never gave me a reason. I would have liked to have gotten a reason, but I was fine with things not proceeding because we just didn't click well and she was asking for the high end of my budget.

Brown & Busty. A 20 year-old, mixed, very busty. As mentioned in the last update, her pics were old so while she was still very busty, she also put on some extra weight. I had to make a tough decision to have her in my "B Slot" or cut her loose. I decided to cut her loose. Nice girl, but a little too heavy and lived a little too far away.

Idle

Latina Artist. 22 year old petite Latina artist. She's completely new to the Sugar Bowl, so she gets cold feet whenever there is a cool breeze on a hot summer's day. She still keeps telling me she wants to meet but something always keeps coming up where she cancels or changes the schedule. I have other things going on so I can afford to be patient with her, but I honestly don't know if I'll actually see her ever.

Punk SB. 18 year old, Latina / Asian mix. I meet up with her again for a quick car fix. It was decent and it barely cost me anything. She's been pressing to meet more often, but I don't know. I'm just not really into her anymore. Her performance is very limited. We basically just do a couple of positions and she doesn't do any oral. So perhaps I'm bored with her. Not sure yet what I'm going to do with her.

Pots

Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.

Korean SB. 21 year-old Korean American girl. She's a more long-term project. She's also attracted to me, but she lives farther away and has a lot of things going on in her life, so we probably won't be able to meet for a while. But I'm keeping in touch with her because she's very petite and cute.

Returners

Backseat SB. 20 year-old petite Latina. I've been seeing this girl off and on for over a year. She's probably the person I've been in contact the longest in my sugar career. But a few months ago, she decided to end things. I even sent a few feelers every now and then, but she stated repeatedly she was done for good. Normally I respect their wishes when they don't want play anymore, but I just keep fantasizing about her perfect tits and couldn't help myself. So recently I gave her a graduation present with no strings attached. I admit I was being a bit naughty and greedy by trying to lure her in back to the Sugar Bowl. I gave her the graduation present in person but I didn't make any offers. The present itself was nice and also contained some cash. Just enough to show a nice gesture but also to entice that if she wanted more, she knew how to get it. Literally two days after I gave her the graduation present, she asked to meet that night. We met and did our thing and her tits were just as amazing as I remembered. She then contacted me again just yesterday. So I've successfully pulled her back in. A part of me feels a little guilty, but I didn't push her to start things back up. I just provided a little bit of temptation.

[Igor Mongorsky]

I did get to meetup with my old "ATF". We partied at my house because I was unable to get the hotel on short notice. We spent the next day and night together. Surreal. It was like it was yesterday even though the last time I saw her was almost three years ago. I suspect sugar was not required (although much appreciated LOL) , but I did give her a $300 gift.

We did participate in BB activities as we have in the past. I don't want to get into a debate about what is "safe" and what isn't (I believe there is a forum specifically for that?). You just have to make a personal decision if the reward is worth the risk to you. In my case, the risk is minimal and the payoff immense. It's different for everybody and a lot is a perception. I see many guys find cheating on their SO acceptable. OK, to me that is crazy. When I was married, I would never ever think about cheating on my wife; the consequences are too great, the chances of getting caught high. She would have cleaned me out good and made the rest of my life miserable. Fortunately, I'm divorced now and escaped with my balls intact.

[F Scott]

I'll take 98% effective over zero any day! As has been pointed out, it's not just what you do, but what, and who, your baby's been doing in her spare time that comes into play.

Of course there's no such thing as 100% certainty in life, but I like my odds better than BB by a mile! Plus, I truly wonder if those "faithful" babies really are. I can think of four brothers right off the bat who discovered their SBs were "monogamous" with several other guys as well, and one was going bare with all of them!

To each his own, however. I'll continue to play with a helmet on. Like ChiGuy, I find the slight loss of sensation helps me to last like a porn star. Well, that and a little help from my blue friend!

Peace,

Scott

[HollywoodGuy]

This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.

I am scared straight for today. When you"re an addict, it's one day at a time. Today I have a date with my live in. Then I will just work till bedtime. This really is not a joke and I know I am in denial most of the time.

One of my X's got HSV 1 about a year ago. She has a BF, a SD and a sugar couple. They all know she has this and continue to see her. I know she is addicted to kissing and giving oral. I will not see her for any reason. But all this talk is making me uneasy.

Just got txted by a HYM. I know there will be at least kissing and maybe more on the m&g tomorrow.

[John G Smith]

Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.

Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.

If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.

Exactly. If you're extremely worried about your SO catching something, you shouldn't play the game. You can catch certain STDs by receiving and giving oral and as well as with deep french kissing. Just about everyone here engages in heavy kissing with their SB, so you're technically putting yourself at risk to certain types of STDs, which can be passed to your SO. Simply saddling up for intercourse doesn't absolve you from these risks and morally you're still in the same boat as the rest of us because the risk is there even if it's reduced.

This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.

For me, I don't think this lifestyle is for everyone. If you're happily married and you're still planning to have kids, you should probably enter the Sugar Bowl draft at a later time. What happened to Joe was very unfortunate and I feel for him. What made his situation especially difficult was that he and his SO were still planning to have kids. So contracting an STD in that situation is very very serious since there's many implications.

Likewise if you have a happy marriage and you don't want to put it at risk whatsoever, you have to understand every single day in the Sugar Bowl you're rolling the dice on your marriage regardless if you catch a STD or not. For example, Alias left a condom lying around, I left a hotel card in my pants, and F Scott left his Sugar phone in plain sight of his SO. All of this in just the last couple of weeks. These things had no nothing to do with practicing safe sex and yet things still came very close for things to come crashing down for us. The fact is, the longer you play this game, the greater the risk, the greater likelihood your marriage will end or change forever. I'd argue it's not a matter of "If", it's "When".

In my situation at least, I already have kids and there are zero plans for future kids. So if worst case she gets a STD, she'll just take the same antibiotics as me but it won't affect her having kids. Also, our marriage is not in great shape so if we divorce, it's not the end of the world for me. Yes, I'd like to avoid one right now due to financial implications and the kids, but I'm probably subconscious trying to get a divorce because I'm keenly aware that a healthy marriage is completely incompatible and unsustainable with the Sugar Lifestyle over the long-term. Especially with how aggressive many guys here play the sugar game with 4-7 SBs and Booty Calls at a given time, you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be happily married 10 years from now. If some of us still manage to post on this board 10 years from now, I guarantee only 10-20% of us will still be married and of that remaining percent, those marriages will have been drastically altered (getting caught, reconciling, no more trust, and etc).

I've always assumed that if you're in this lifestyle, a part of you willing to let your marriage end or go to shit. If you just maintain one SB and you keep your time and money with her fairly modest, then maybe you can still maintain a happy marriage. But anyone who plays this game aggressively or develops emotional involvement should not fool themselves. Your marriage can and will end as you know it at any moment regardless if you put a condom on or not. This whole lifestyle is an act of risky insane and reckless behavior. Calculating our risks simply delays with various degrees of success the inevitable conclusion.

[HollywoodGuy]

How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good!

My live in Pinay does OK by me. LMFAO. But seriously. I have managed a few SB's accounts. Great insight. If those guys knew they were messaging me I don't think they would have been too happy. Hope it was none of you. Not likely as I live in L. A.

UPDATE

This month I stuck to my 3 SB's like glue.

MILF. All we do is fuck. So not much to talk about. Been together almost 2 years.

Live In. Pinay Mistress. I,m her personal slave. But we have a lot of fun. 9 months so far but she was talking about moving possibly : (

Teen Stripper. Almost 5 months so far. Today a wannabe pot SD spent $$$$$ on her and got the pleasure of her platonic company. Better him than me.

To comment on the STD discussion. I will admit to being reckless in the past, but it's been a relief knowing I don"t have to be tested right now. I only have safe sex with my live in and the other two are exclusive to me for now.

[Hernando]

Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.

How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good!

[Wnde8]

Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.

[BikeRider]

Brothers,

I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!

Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!

In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!

Peace,

Scott

Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.

Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.

If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.

Also- Plan B is essentially a 'Hail Mary'. Plan B's efficacy is 87. Compare that to withdrawal used effectively at 96% and condoms at 98% and you'll see what I mean. Over the years, I've only had to girl friends (before I was married) have to use Plan B. The first was an incredibly hot Korean MILF in LA who wouldn't agree to a condom. She didn't tell me until after I came that she wasn't on BC. The lesson I learned that night was that you always have the "talk" before going bare.

The talk involves two very important subjects. One. Are you on BC. Two. If you become pregnant will you have an abortion. The answers help me do risk management even though I use condoms.

[F Scott]

HIV and Hepatitis C.

Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.

ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)

Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.

HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable

HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,

Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day

Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day.

Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.

Trichomonas = antibiotics for a day

Brothers,

I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!

Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!

In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!

Peace,

Scott

[ChiGuy606]

So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)

Nandoman,

To each his own, but if I were a non-married player in this game my attitudes would probably be a lot different.

As it stands, the thought of bringing home 'the gift that keeps on giving' to my SO, especially considering she is an UNWILLING PARTICIPANT in my activites is a moral-line I just cannot cross.

I honestly do not think there is any excuse I can come up with as to why Mr Happy is covered in infectious sores that she'd buy. And even if she did believe whatever I told her, no excuse would make good the fact that she may have been exposed as well (assuming of course one does actually get sex at home. Miracles are known to happen!).

[Hernando]

HIV and Hepatitis C.

Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.

ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)

Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.

HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable

HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,

Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day

Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day

Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.

Trichomonas = antibiotics for a day