"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

Spartak,

I certainly understand the issue of risk, and agree that there are levels which we all decide for ourselves we can manage. But this just seems like hubris to me, plain and simple.

Have we so soon forgotten the sad story of our brother Joesparty? In my day, stds were called the gift that keeps on giving, and that seems just as relevant today.

I suppose I will agree to disagree with all you cowboys out there who ride without a saddle, but any buckaroos in the Chicago area, please pm me the profile numbers of your babies so I can steer clear.

Scott

[Spartak]

In this day and age, bb just seems like a game of Russian Roulette, but with your dick.

I agree. But life is all about choosing a course with varying degrees of risk. And this is exactly why I've chosen the sb / sd route. Certainly a lesser amount of risk here than with an AMP / Stripper / Escort.

[F Scott]

In this day and age, bb just seems like a game of Russian Roulette, but with your dick. Same potentially lethal outcome, though.

Just not getting it,

Scott

[HollywoodGuy]

First off, I am insane.

Secondly, for me the reduced sensation with condoms makes it difficult for me to perform at my best. With condoms, I often have ED issues. I don't know if I'm allergic to latex or what, but for me there is a night and day difference between sex with condoms and sex without. For me, if I'm spending all this time and money on a SB on allowances, gifts, hotels and etc, it's a buzz kill when the actual sex is mediocre / sub-standard because I'm having issues with the condom. I still use condoms but I'm willing to take the risk going bare if the situation and the girl meet certain standards. I really do envy those of you who can have amazing sex with condoms. It would make this lifestyle a lot easier me if I could.

Before I can actually have intercourse with a new baby, we have to have the "talk". I only go BB. If a baby flat out refuses I have to respect that, but then I never see her again. So a number of m&g's end on the first date with oral or a HJ. I provide my current std report and vasectomy proof via email prior to every m&g. As many girls are equally concerned about birth control.

[F Scott]

Changed my mind

[HollywoodGuy]

Almost likewise. Topped only by asking my wife to marry me, and *not* going home early from strip clubbing that one night. The peace of mind it allows can not be undervalued.

/z

In L. A. 80% of girls are having babies without worrying about the dad being there. Especially the young ones. Should have done it years ago, I was worried it would affect my performance. Totally not true. And the pain was manageable. One week bad. Three weeks minor. By week five, nothing.

[ChiGuy606]

My general rule of thumb is if I am with a woman who is (or who used to be) accepting cash / gifts / etc in exchange for sex in any shape or form, no matter how 'ATF-like' she is, I keep it covered. Period. The surgically altered genitalia is my plan-B!

She's also most likely putting out for other guys who are also paying her & you never know what else THOSE guys may be doing on the side. (just read any other forum on this site besides this thread *shudder*).

I'm not saying anything can compare to BB, but there are many advances in condoms in the past few years that are a lot better than they used to be. Try out brands advertised as 'lambskin' or Lifestyles 'SKYN' brand, Trojan 'Bareskin', etc. They are not perfect, but much better than they used to be. Also try putting some lube on first before the condom, that makes it much more pleasurable as well.

Besides condoms + a little vitamin V make me perform like an absolute rockstar, and have turned more than one sugar-baby into a non-sugar fuckbuddy just because I can go so long & make them have multiple O's before I'm done.

[Zomby]

Vasectomy. Best move I ever made

Almost likewise. Topped only by asking my wife to marry me, and *not* going home early from strip clubbing that one night. The peace of mind it allows can not be undervalued.

/z

[HollywoodGuy]

May I suggest surgically altering ones genitalia in order to prevent conception.

Certainly there is a week or so of discomfort involved (coinciding with a few weeks of separation from one's sugar-babies) , however the end result is a lifetime of piece of mind!

(Making a mental note to myself to research masturbatory refractory periods, sounds like a hoot!)

-Chi.

Vasectomy. Best move I ever made

[Hernando]

There is nothing like the sensation of a wet pussy wrapped around your penis. Girls will do anything for money, guys for sex. (some that is)

There are calculated risks in everything worth doing.

Like JG, I pretty much can't get off with a wrapper on after the 1st meet with a SB.

[John G Smith]

Bareback? Just asking, but really? So many issues!

Staggered,

Scott

First off, I am insane.

Secondly, for me the reduced sensation with condoms makes it difficult for me to perform at my best. With condoms, I often have ED issues. I don't know if I'm allergic to latex or what, but for me there is a night and day difference between sex with condoms and sex without. For me, if I'm spending all this time and money on a SB on allowances, gifts, hotels and etc, it's a buzz kill when the actual sex is mediocre / sub-standard because I'm having issues with the condom. I still use condoms but I'm willing to take the risk going bare if the situation and the girl meet certain standards. I really do envy those of you who can have amazing sex with condoms. It would make this lifestyle a lot easier me if I could.

[F Scott]

Bareback?? Just asking, but really? So many issues!!

Staggered,

Scott

[John G Smith]

Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support.

This is such great advice. Practitioners of the bare-arts should take note.

With my girlfriend SB, we had a little scare a few months ago. I did everything right on my end (pulled out, peed between rrounds, etc). But she was slightly late with her monthlies which freaked her out (and me too to be honest). During this time I found out any accidents she has, she will keep. I respect a woman's right to choose whatever, but obviously I can't have a little JGS floating out there for 18+ years. If there are any accidents, any SB with me needs to be willing to "end" the accident. Anyway, she wasn't pregnant but it was a pretty stressful situation for both particularly because she was going to keep the result of any accident. It made me realize that I need to find out the girl's philosophy on unwanted pregnancies BEFORE I engage in bare activities. If we share similar attitudes, then I just have to reduce my sugar activities for a month while I pay to end the unwanted pregnancy. If our attitudes are different, then I'm basically prebooking a spot on Maury Povich in a few years.

Question for Revvo. When you had to get the Plan B afterward, did you pull out or finish inside her the night before?

[John G Smith]

If she actually thinks that's effective birth control, her education leaves a lot to be desired. If not, then she could still be trying to trap you. If you believe that's effective birth control, then your education is lacking. Either that or you're letting the little head do your thinking.

The so-call "pre-cum" fluid contains sperm. It's certainly less likely that the lower volume in that fluid will impregnate her, but it's far from impossible.

Actually pulling out when done properly is only about 2% less effective than using a condom to prevent pregnancy. A condom is about 98% effective (when it doesn't break and spew all your sperm inside her) and pulling out is 96% effective. If you don't believe, read the Planned Parenthood site: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/hea...ethod-4218.htm

Yes with pulling out you need good control, but most of us are older and experienced and aren't spontaneously combusting teenagers.

It's just of course pulling out does nothing to protect from STDs, so that's where your real risk is. But as long as you pee betweens rounds, pulling out is very effective for pregnancy prevention and you don't have to worry about condoms getting loose or breaking.

[ChiGuy606]

May I suggest surgically altering ones genitalia in order to prevent conception.

Certainly there is a week or so of discomfort involved (coinciding with a few weeks of separation from one's sugar-babies) , however the end result is a lifetime of piece of mind!

(Making a mental note to myself to research masturbatory refractory periods, sounds like a hoot!)

-Chi.

You are absolutely correct with the risk of precum and the pullout method.

However, in my older years I have an absolute 5 seconds from the first ejaculatory spasm (the point of no return) until the appearance of ANY fluid at the urethral opening. I know you younger guys have 1 sec at best. Masturbation studies demonstrate your refractory period and it's important to know that. It's not foolproof but it's better than nothing.

Re: pregnancy, it is important to know your receiver's attitude towards an unwanted pregnancy. It's better to pay for an abortion than 18 yrs of child support.