"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FotoGuy1970** · 06-23-13 06:07

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

What are the signs that your SB might be a UTR-pro, semi-pro or full blown pro?

Fotoguy, what things gave you the idea she was a pro?

BigTigg

Let me preface this by stating that I have major trust problems, so my radar is always "on" for blips that indicate dishonesty or things that just don't add up with what I'm being told. So I may be building something out of nothing, and if you look at these things individually, it was no big deal. But add them up, and she sure seems like she's at the very least a pro SB.

First off, she explained that she had only done this once before, and it was not a with a guy that she had met off SA or CL or whatever. It was with a guy she knew from RL and that the arrangement just sort of grew naturally. But things she said / did seems not to add up:

Grammar and context in initial messages on SA indicates she's had experience beyond what she indicated.

She had *very* high level of security. It's totally natural for every girl to have some level of security, but this girl had moves like a pro who has done this plenty of times. For example, when we entered the FC, she immediately zeroed in on a gym bag I had in the room, she walked up to it and opened it up and started going through it to make sure that "I didn't have anything to hurt her with", as she said.

At one point during the time together, she mentioned she has a girl friend she could bring to have a three way with and she quickly rattled off an amount and specifics for the two of them for an all night. She did it so quickly and without hesitation that it seemed like she had said that offer plenty of times to other guys in the past. That was the big red flag that she was a pro on some level.

**BigTigger** · 06-22-13 15:15

Here are some of my preferences, they usually help filter better. The more of these they say "yes" to, the better chance you have.

1. Does she have a degree, not just "some college"?

2. Does she want the money more than need money?

3. Is she uncomfortable taking money for her time?

4. Is she ok with not getting an allowance upfront, but dating instead? Moving toward an allowance later.

5. Is she on the site more for "attention" than the money?

6. Has her morals and standards kept her from getting some on the regular?

7. Does her definition of spoiling include the "little things"? (Candy, gifts, phone calls, flowers, hair, nails, time)

Even the ones are aren't expense only can be had with lower amounts of suga. My approach is to sell them on the long term value of dating and letting things happen "naturally". (Naturally actually means, that I'm going to romance you with affection into giving up the goodies ASAP, starting with the first date) This usually results in getting the goodies on the 2nd or 3rd date. In many cases I usually have no intentions of being with them long term, but the key is to make them believe that's what you want. I usually can hit it good for about 1 to 2 months, with just dating and giving a little extra every now and then.

The value that you bring has to be sexual and emotional pleasure, try to please them in as many ways as possible emotionally and physically. Once they trust that you really have their best interest at heart and they know that with you they can get multiple orgasms, then you can have them anyway you want and keep your expenses as low as possible. Don't go cheap and not give any money, the key is that they don't expect or require it. Therefore every time you give straight cash it's a bonus and brownie points. Also you have to be spending money and time spoiling in other ways, like #7.

Amazingly, it doesn't take as long as you might think.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 06-22-13 15:02

Originally Posted by FotoGuy1970 [View Original Post]

It makes me uneasy seeing a girl who comes across as a pro.

What are the signs that your SB might be a UTR-pro, semi-pro or full blown pro?

Here is a few that are on my list.

1. She gives BJs with a condom on.

2. She seems to be on a semil-strict time limit.

3. The sugar seems to be hourly instead of per date.

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Fotoguy, what things gave you the idea she was a pro?

BigTigg

**CVilleLance** · 06-22-13 13:37

Which website is most sucessful for the least investment in money? I am in Central Virginia and trying to find a semi regular thing.

**FotoGuy1970** · 06-22-13 12:34

UPDATE:

The so-called virgin didn't contact me during the week, so I'm assuming she changed her mind. If I didn't have others on my plate, I'd be sad to see a missed opportunity. But I have had nibbles and catches this week, so it doesn't bother me as much to see the so-called virgin disappear.

Contacted a local college girl on SA. Met for dinner the next day, had a great time and everything seemed very promising. Met at a hotel a couple days later and there were several indications that she is a borderline pro, despite her proclamation that she had only done this once before. It makes me uneasy seeing a girl who comes across as a pro. Gave her my base sugar pay, but putting her on stand by while I assess the next couple of ladies that I have on the line.

Contacted another girl on SA, met for dinner a couple of days later. Nice girl, seemed a bit reserved, but I chalked it up a bit of shyness about initial meeting. She also said she had only done this once before, but unlike the other girl, she seems genuine. I found her on FB and several other locations and can verify who she is and what she does. Meeting with her this weekend at a hotel, I suspect it will the beginning of a promising relationship.

Had a lonely MILF (except she isn't a mother) contact me through a CL ad. Doesn't really want the sugar, more prefers the affection and the sex. Met at a park and talked for a long time. In the end, she said she wanted to think about it and I thought that would be that. Then we kissed, which led to more kissing, which led to roaming hands. We would have fucked, but female biology wasn't going to let that happen for a couple days. She wants to meet again soon, when she's not dealing with a monthly visitor.

It's amazing how I've gone from having zero prospects for quite some time to having more than I'm sure what to do with, all in just the span of a week.

**BigTigger** · 06-22-13 11:18

Originally Posted by HappyHunter44 [View Original Post]

Much appreciated. That is a subtle, clear message for sure.

She text me back and is willing to meet today. I told her 3 hours. She is fine with that.

BigTigg

**HappyHunter44** · 06-22-13 08:16

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

On the way out to her car she asked how I was going to get her the rest of the money.

I said in a very nice and apologetic tone,"oh I'm sorry, I was expecting intimacy on this date, that's why I said I would give you the rest of the money after our date was over, they are kinda connected".

Much appreciated. That is a subtle, clear message for sure.

**BigTigger** · 06-21-13 20:01

Originally Posted by Randytomcatt [View Original Post]

CCleaner is good for cleaning up junk and removing old deleted files that are not really deleted from "unused" space. File Shredder can be used to delete files directly or clean hard drive space. Both easy to use.

Folder Lock is also good. I installed my browser on the hidden folder. Therefore I can save all my bookmarks, etc. Unless I've opened the folder up via Folder Lock, the browser will not open. I keep all my files and pictures under a Folder Lock locker.

BigTigg

**Randytomcatt** · 06-21-13 19:59

Originally Posted by Infla8 [View Original Post]

You can encrypt using EFS in Windows and make the folder and sub files hidden. Back your EFS key up to a flash drive or CDRW and store in a safe place.

Place the hidden directory under Program Files\Common or a driver directory like Dell or ATI, and then set the hidden attribute. That isn't a place someone that just uses the machine will be looking. I don't recommend a flash drive as it will show the space being used by all files making it easier to find. If the flash drive gets formatted there go your files.

Yes the cloud is good but, make sure you use a public service like Dropbox or Google Drive and don't use your name on the public email account (yahoo, hotmail, etc) that controls it.

When opening a browser session using IE always launch with ctrl+shift+P for a no tracks experience.

Hope this helps.

CCleaner is good for cleaning up junk and removing old deleted files that are not really deleted from "unused" space. File Shredder can be used to delete files directly or clean hard drive space. Both easy to use and have versions that can run from a flash drive, don't have to install on your computer.

**BigTigger** · 06-21-13 18:00

I started using my Yahoo calendar that is attached to my SD account. So now I get reminders about a few hours in advance before meeting a SB or POT. Plus I can look back over the month and see my activity. It can be pretty ego lifting and sad at the same time, LOL.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 06-21-13 17:33

Wow, I wish I could go 3 hours. I usually go about 45mins to an hour. Also to maximize time in between sessions, I use a variety of methods based on who I'm with. With my flyin, we did it Tuesday morning, but I did not orgasm. That gave me 36 hours between last orgasm and MsTallnDeprived showing up. Now every session did not end in a orgasm for me, but I am able to get aroused often, it's just that with my age, it may not always stay that way without a little help. Many women have appreciated the numerous little spurts of 10 mins each, LOL. I went Thursday morning then again late Thursday night (1am). So the timing has been spread around to keep my vitality. Also it helps when I'm having sex with the person for the first time. Lots of more emotional excitement which helps he physical excitement.

MsCoolnSlim did finally send a text she is dealing with some personal emotional issues. She's going to need some time before we can continue.

MsBigBoobs is supposed to be cumming tomorrow, she has not confirmed. I'm still surprised she expected money without the honey, LOL. I'm glad I stood my ground.

MsBackup has not texted much today she is supposed to be on for tomorrow noon, we'll see.

MsTallnDeprived is on her way and will be here within the hour. She's staying overnight, so the Day 6 report will be a little less hectic as I'll just be with one without any extra dates.

Thanks to all who have read and commented or PM'd. Without page counters, it's hard to know sometimes if folks are reading my ramblings or not.

My SA account has been expired for a week now. I have 23 email messages. Seems as though when you let your account expire, they place you in a prime position to be seen which then increases the number of emails you get. I'm not sure if I'm turning it back on yet, but I definitely will follow up on some of those leads.

BigTigg

**Rob Taylor** · 06-21-13 16:19

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

It also shows that despite our society frowning upon prostitution, there are A LOT of women who are not too far removed from being convincing to do a little Pay-for-Play. It's not just your drug addicts and runaways. This forum is proof that women from all walks of life are willing to spread their legs pretty much to a complete stranger (who might also be several decades older) in exchange for a little financial support. What's really been eye-opening for me the last several years is just how many "normal" women will have sex with guys for money discretely. It really is the best kept secret. An upper middle class guy (even just middle class guy who is smart with their money) can pretty much live like a Hollywood playboy banging women a 1/3 or half his age.

I also agree that improving your wardrobe and other small touches can get you even better mileage. Last year I got a new luxury car and got a few nice clothes and it really helped my sugar bowl performance. It made the girls feel like they were with an actual sugar daddy. Especially the young ones rarely have been in luxury cars or nice restaurants, so a $50-60 dinner can make them feel like they're experiencing the "finer things in life", LOL.

I wouldn't go that far there are only like 500K-2 million girl on SA and only a minority of them stay on there for a long period.

Time usually because they only go on there because they are curious or as a joke and sometimes perverts scare them off with lewd messages.

There are 0ver 70 million adult woman in the USA so you are only talking about maybe 2 million between SB'S, pornstars. (UTR's BP girls and high end hookers)

So you are talking about maybe 1 to 4% of the population even among girls in the poorest neighborhoods, and a huge percentage of those girls have issues, especially if you look at the nando stories here.

**FredMoore** · 06-21-13 15:38

OOPs!

I guess most of you know what I meant. I like to limit my exposure in my home town. There are too many eyes and ears about. I like to maximize my exposure to the FC.

**Infla8** · 06-21-13 13:35

Originally Posted by Randytomcatt [View Original Post]

They can be encrypted. Of course,"what are these files that I can't open?" is not a good question to hear. Better in the cloud. When you delete from hard drive or flash drive, might want to use a shredder program which makes them pretty much unrecoverable.

You can encrypt using EFS in Windows and make the folder and sub files hidden. Back your EFS key up to a flash drive or CDRW and store in a safe place.

Place the hidden directory under Program Files\Common or a driver directory like Dell or ATI, and then set the hidden attribute. That isn't a place someone that just uses the machine will be looking. I don't recommend a flash drive as it will show the space being used by all files making it easier to find. If the flash drive gets formatted there go your files.

Yes the cloud is good but, make sure you use a public service like Dropbox or Google Drive and don't use your name on the public email account (yahoo, hotmail, etc) that controls it.

When opening a browser session using IE always launch with ctrl+shift+P for a no tracks experience.

Hope this helps.

**FredMoore** · 06-21-13 11:26

As a married man I try to limit my exposure to the FC. I will only go out 60 miles + from my home base minimizing the possibility of being spotted by the warden's jailers.

Like Hollywood, I prefer a night in doing fun stuff, like dining naked in bed, watching movies, reading, and of course fucking. Unlike many of you, even with chemical enhancement I am good for only one pop / day. The upside is that I can last 3 hours and sometimes wear out my Baby before I cum. I wish I could multi pop but it really has never been something I can do. Big Tigg (and others) I am in awe of your physical skills. Maybe in my next life.

UPDATE:

2 Pots on deck. Both sicilian as was my ATF #2. What's up with that? Any ethnic connection that you guys know about?

Pot #1 22 white 8/8/9 had a M&G last week and she wants to "date" a little before giving up the Quan. I told her the scoop locally so since she cooks I will have her to my pad and let her cook for me and see what comes up. She might be feeling it after getting a little tipsy and feeling the love. If not I will keep that program going until she needs the money badly enough to give it up. She says she is pretty desperate but is far from a Nando1. I give her a 70% chance of a score on the 1st date.

Pot #2 18 yr old! She is a nanny and I have always wanted to bang both an 18 yr old and a nanny. She is 9/9/8. A little quiet on the phone but seems down with sleeping together on the 1st date. These girls just are so easy.

SB #1 I am going to let go. She is sweet and young but is too chubby. I just have a thing about that. Also we had dinner twice and she drinks a lot and the cost for fine dining with cocktails, umbrella drinks, and wine is just too high just to get laid.

Former ATF # 3 My 10/10/10 has not gotten back to me as she said she would, so the writing is on the wall. It's been 5 days. I cannot imagine why she cooled on me because everything was great until it wasn't. Oh well. Tigg just reported on a regular who went silent. We all have those. It's hard to explain but they are also constantly looking and I guess they find a better deal.