"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dog Rice** · 05-14-13 23:22

Can't agree more about presentation. Also, my status, married, does reduce chances. Search continues.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

SBs are attracted 1st to the best looking guys in their proper designated age group who have the most intriguing profile. We do the same thing with them except we men are more equal opportunity carousers. Have pussy will travel.

So Dog Rice, the difference between you and Hollywood for example, might be appearance or profile writing style. There's nothing you can do about your looks other than present your visage in the best possible light. (I'm nor saying you aren't dashing and debonaire, but it's presentation that counts.

For me personally I know my age is a huge limiting factor and accept it. Usually if I can get to the meet I can overwhelm her with my $incerity.

**FredMoore** · 05-14-13 15:14

SBs are attracted 1st to the best looking guys in their proper designated age group who have the most intriguing profile. We do the same thing with them except we men are more equal opportunity carousers. Have pussy will travel.

So Dog Rice, the difference between you and Hollywood for example, might be appearance or profile writing style. There's nothing you can do about your looks other than present your visage in the best possible light. (I'm nor saying you aren't dashing and debonaire, but it's presentation that counts.

For me personally I know my age is a huge limiting factor and accept it. Usually if I can get to the meet I can overwhelm her with my $incerity.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-14-13 11:33

Originally Posted by Dog Rice [View Original Post]

After idle for several months, I signed up for SDFM again. After 2 days, all I got are either GPS or naive gal asking to hang out but with $$$ per date. San Diego is definitely not a good playground for our sugar daddies (after comparing others' experience in other cities such as LA, LV, Richmond)

One noticeable GPS (32 yrs old white with 6 face and 6 body) gave me 10+ email lecture after I offered $ per date. Kept telling me that $$$$$ per sexual encounter is the norm, blah blah. Definitely not a good bowl in San Diego.

I dis-agree. I do not know your type. But I have messaged lots of girls there when I had to go visit my mom. No problems. Less girls. But good ones. Pm for more details

**Dog Rice** · 05-14-13 09:27

After idle for several months, I signed up for SDFM again. After 2 days, all I got are either GPS or naive gal asking to hang out but with $$$ per date. San Diego is definitely not a good playground for our sugar daddies (after comparing others' experience in other cities such as LA, LV, Richmond)

One noticeable GPS (32 yrs old white with 6 face and 6 body) gave me 10+ email lecture after I offered $ per date. Kept telling me that $$$$$ per sexual encounter is the norm, blah blah. Definitely not a good bowl in San Diego.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-14-13 09:08

This SB is 20. Likes to dress-up for me. That part is great but the overall attitude is not as good as it could be. Sucking and fucking is ok but it usually seems like she is putting on a big act. That is not always so bad. It's like doing an actress. But on a regular basis it gets old. I would prefer a SB who is actually enjoying herself. This one used to be happy with $ but is getting greedy. If she was absolutely terrific that might be fine but this one is so-so. Time to think about replacing her.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-13-13 16:57

Face / body / attitude / skills.

I am now in the process of just solidifying my best girls by giving them all my time.

1. Wifey. Hot MILF (46) AA . 8/9/10/10+. Seeing her once a week. She claims that starting on the first there will be no more allowance and I can just buy her the occasional gift with no expectations. Been seeing her for 18 months. Will spend about $$$$ a month on her. Best sex of my life bar none.

2. New Girlfriend (19) AA . 10/10/10/8. The Little Princess. Helping her launch her modeling career. She now stays here every weekend and comes over at least one weekday as well. Been seeing her for about 10 weeks. Spending about 1k a month on her. Could keep my face buried between her legs forever.

3. The Friend (22) Asian . 8/8/10+/9. My Live In. We hook up at least once a week. She as been living here for about 6 months now. She is costing me nothing but free rent at this point. So lucky to have a real friend like her.

4. The Stalker (26) 9/7/6/? White . Civi girl I met on SD4ME. Stopped spending money on her. She visits me once a week. No sex at this time. Says she is going to marry me. Spoiled rich girl with a quirky personality.

I am still searching on SD4ME but only came across one or 2 interesting profiles in the last 6 weeks. No urgency to date as I am fully booked in the FC if I want, with girls 1, 2 and 3. I will have done all 3 in the last 36 hours by tonite. I have one other random girl but she has been gone for over a month on vacation.

**FredMoore** · 05-13-13 12:04

Re: SDFM I woke up to read my "new babies " report for this week sent by SDFM in my 100 mile search area. There are 22 new SBs mostly 18 to 28 and ALL of them put 35 or under as their target SD goal.

So gents over 40 and certainly over 50 should not feel unattractive when rejected by a SB. These youngsters prefer a guy closer to their own age. Obviously many of us have success with the young ones but if you are closer to that 30 to 40 your options will be greater.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-13-13 09:20

Overview: 6 SBs currently in the stable; 5 Pots.

My nerdy librarian. She is 19, studious, curious and sweet. Small tit spinner with a great bubble butt. Underneath that cute innocent face lie kinky desires to be tied up and spanked. Most girls her age that I have encountered cum once and done or at most a few times. This one cums endlessly, screaming the whole time. I always have to get a hotel room as far removed as possible from everyone for fear that all the noise attracts too much attention. Most cuties like her have small mouths and have difficulty with DT. Not this one. She swallows me whole to my balls. $ a visit keeps this one very happy because she is a shopper who loves sex. Life IS good my brothers.

**Revvo** · 05-12-13 20:59

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

REVVO_OLD_ATF: I don't know what to call this one. If you have followed my posts you know that I had what I considered the perfect ATF 10/9/10 the only one I had ever had on retainer.

Not sure of your rating #'s. Is it face / body / attitude or face / body / skills?

I have been referring to face / body / attitude, skills I consider a component of attitude. Good attitude almost always translate into at least better skills.

Revvo

**FredMoore** · 05-12-13 19:07

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I'll give an status update later. But I just wanted to comment on my recent experience with SA and SD4M.

I think I'm done with SA for now. I'm gong to stick with SD4M and maybe give SDaddie a try again.

Anybody else notice a similar experience with SA?

In my central Va area SA is head and shoulders above SDFM. There is lots of new talent every week on SA and absolutely none on SDFM. In fact there are the same old tired ass looking girls. Even though the best girl EVER for me came off SDFM that is it. Plus the girls there seem to want young Daddies. In fact, they want sugar brothers. My current ATF came from SA and I am working her hard solo.

Two "ongoing" Pots Are probably just that. Ongoing never to get there. I'm not even going to mention them anymore unless they surface.

I have an AA HCG / young mother who I can see this week but I'm not sure about trying her. She is a little too much me me me."what are you going to give me Daddy? I said a BIG surprise hahaha. She says "what, what? Tell me " I don't have the heart to tell her how big her surprise is going to be. I don't want to spend the money on a notel but I'm afraid to let her see where I live. So I'll probably spend more to see my ATF twice and call it a week.

**John G Smith** · 05-12-13 04:21

I'll give an status update later. But I just wanted to comment on my recent experience with SA and SD4M.

A year ago, I was big on SA. It was my primary tool for acquiring SBs. I got a good number of responses both from girls replying to my opening letter and from girls browsing my profile. The girls were pretty high quality and had a high percentage of real SBs. SD4M on the other hand, a year ago was littered with pros, UTRs, Nigerian scams, and Nando1s. Yes there were some decent girls, but you had to roll around in the pig trough to find them.

But the past 4 months I also had a billing error with SD4M where I basically got 3 free months after using a free month trial as a returning member. In that time, the response rate was excellent. There's still the UTRs, Pros, and scams, but there also seems to be A LOT more legit SBs on there now. It almost seems like they have a substantially higher ratio of girls to SDs on SD4M and they did a new marketing plan to attract more "regular" girls to join the site. All my current SBs are from SD4M. A year ago, zero were from SD4M.

Finally my free SD4M memberships expired, so last week I decided to sign up for SA just for fun to see what I could catch. Wow have things changed. The response rate is FAR less than what it was a year ago. The only messages I get from girls browsing my profile are European girls sending me winks. The response rate from my opening letter is like 10-20%, which tend to fizzle out quickly. Before I was getting a 60-70% response rate with maybe half of those leading to legitimate opportunities. Even the profiles of the girls themselves seem less interesting and stale. I haven't been really active on SA for about 6-7 months, yet I'm still seeing many of the same faces (and I live in a major city). Yes there are some new girls but I was expecting more. And of course you have more and more girls putting they expect to get 3-10k allowance per month. Some girls can be talked down but it's yet another hoop to jump through.

I think I'm done with SA for now. I'm gong to stick with SD4M and maybe give SDaddie a try again.

Anybody else notice a similar experience with SA?

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-11-13 22:33

REVVO_OLD_ATF: I don't know what to call this one. If you have followed my posts you know that I had what I considered the perfect ATF 10/9/10 the only one I had ever had on retainer.

Not sure of your rating #'s. Is it face / body / attitude or face / body / skills?

**PartyTimeGuy** · 05-11-13 14:57

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Thick girls try harder, but spinners keep me harder.

Ten years ago I would have agreed with you totally. The older I get the more I tend to most prefer oral. Not that fucking a spinner isn't fun but thick girls most certainly do try harder especially when sucking and most of them can go balls deep. They are also much easier SBs to keep happy.

**HollywoodGuy** · 05-11-13 13:10

Thick girls try harder, but spinners keep me harder.

**Revvo** · 05-10-13 22:48

So report two of the week to wrap up a very busy week. It is showing some maturing of my process as well as some of my babies dropping off the list. Like was pointed out below. At the rate I am going it is a very very expensive hobby. But my intention is to run a lot of POTs through the interview process possibly a first fuck and determine who is a keeper. I have determined that many of these babies have a shelf life. And it can be very short on a lot of them. And as usual there are a few surprises. So lets run the numbers.

REVVOATF: Had a great day. I carved out a long day to spend with her. Got my work done early or late. We spent a wonderful time together. It was really great seeing her. She had been working and traveling and so had I. We had a nice lunch and then on to the FC. So this is a funny story. I live in an area that has many many hotels. So I have the luxury of going through dozens of hotel choices so I can find the best at the best rate. Also this gives me an area of the city to play. Where I will almost never see anyone that I know. Anyway there is a hotel that is under renovation. Looks like it had been closed and reopened. It is really nice resort style hotel. And it is offering really cheap rates. We go to check in and there are 3 cars in the parking lot! When we go to check in the dude says it is too early and he has no rooms! What a dick. I looked at him incredulous and say "dude full of what, there are no people here" and started laughing. It was ridiculous to pretend to me that the hotel was full. So my ATF a quiet demure little Asian type, size 00 with her little glasses, but a 9/9/10. She springs into action and gets into this clerk's face. She is very loyal and protective. And he immediately finds us a room. Shit I was going to handle it but she beat me to it. Anyway it was funny. We had a great time, busted three times. Threw her around that room like a rag doll. Fucked and sucked until there was nothing left. Best blowjobs ever. It was great. I am still dehydrated.

REVVO_OLD_ATF: I don't know what to call this one. If you have followed my posts you know that I had what I considered the perfect ATF 10/9/10 the only one I had ever had on retainer. We were only together for about 6 weeks. And she left me. Not trying to play me. Not putting any bullshit on me or drama. She even had a lot of money problems. And walked away from the retainer. She just could not work the schedule. Very honest and forthright with me from the beginning. I probably liked her too much. And I believe that deep down she was digging me. Judging from the way she looked at me and talked to me. Anyway we have kept in brief touch. It has only been about a month. If you have seen my reports you know that I have moved on. But I never forgot her. She sends me an email that she wants to talk. We talk and she is in terrible financial trouble. Bills are coming due and she is down to 1 day a week at work. She has a decent paying job when she has the work. She has a small child and she is hurting. So she wants to get together. I feel really bad for her. It is truly sad. So we are scheduled to get together two times next week before I go away for two weeks. We talked on the phone and she is a very upbeat and positive woman. So it was unusual to hear her like this. Anyway after talking it out she is back to her positive tone. Looking forward to Monday. I got a few things to try that I never did with her. Starting with a good ass spanking for leaving me. HAHA!

REVVOPOT1: This one was scheduled for a meeting next Thursday and Friday in a beach town between us. She text-ed me that she is not going to make it. I was not surprised since her marriage is in a lot of turmoil. Have not been able to get the explanation. Since she has not responded to me. I will back burner her for a while since I have ATF and previous ATF that is all I really need from a sperm capacity, and money capacity standpoint. These two wear me out. I wonder if I could get my two ATFs together, hmmm? Nah that is just for dreaming. Anyway I will slow roll this one for now. Beautiful and sexy but too much going on to have time to focus on me.

REVVOPOT2:This one is still non communicative and I am not worried. If she texts. I will end it with her. If not I will do nothing. This one is off the list.

REVVOPOT3:This is one of those surprises that happens all of time. She was very efficient with her M&G and getting together. We did meet and remember she had awesome pics. I rated her as a 9/9/8 and boy was I wrong. She comes out of her car and she is huge. I guess the pics were before her kid. This ass was as big as me. She has a new rating. 8/5/7, still great head but I have to drop it down a bit. Lowered the attitude for lying to me about her looks. She knew when she got out of the car and we met that she fucked up. And a normally confident woman was acting a bit more ashamed. But hey it was her fault for trying this shit. She kept telling me that she is working out and losing weight and I never said anything bad. We did our little meeting and left with plans to meet. But I will back burner her. If she lost 30 pounds she would be good, if she lost 40 pounds she would be smokin hot. Damn what a waste. And why do I keep getting fooled by these fat women? Got to get better at qualifying.

REVVOPOT4:This one is going strong. She is a 7/8/9 so far. Very sexy latina. Really likes me. Kindergarten teacher and we were supposed to meet on Thursday but she could not because of car problems. I teased her a little about it and she offered to take half a day off on Friday to meet. Very cool chick so far. She sends me this sexy video of her dancing real naughty like with a little short skirt and her pulling it up and rubbing herself all over. It was awesome. She looks like a real wild one. Not big on the money thing also. But I still wonder if I am going to be able to afford another one. We will keep working it. We are now scheduled for Tuesday for happy hour. I want to wax that ass bad.

REVVOPOT5: This one is off the list. Very sexual but just too rough looking. Head like a bastard ape. LOL.

REVVOPOT6: I am dropping this one off the list also. This one was all over me. Then she vanished and showed up for a couple of texts and vanished again. Only thing she is on the SDFORME site every day. Funny isn't it. She will learn there are only a few good SD's out there. And plenty of really really bad ones. I hear this from the babies all of the time.

REVVOPOT7: This is on the back burner. But I am probably going to have to drop her off the list. Sad she needs a good daddy to take care of her. She needs the money and she is a cool chick and cute. And a good fuck.

REVVOPOT8: Last time on the list for this one. I could keep her also but I just don't, have the money or the time or the patience. But I can say I did an 18yo. Meh. Anyway will let her know.

REVVOPOT9: Even though this one was not the best looking I wanted to give her a go. Redhead seemed kind of kinky and experimental. Well not so good. First she flat out lied to me on the scheduling thing fucking up my schedule. But when we met. She was very heavy. Much heavier than with clothes. New rating 5/4/4. I think she gained weight since last week. We get down to it and she tells me she cannot use latex condoms, and amazing thing she did not bring her special nitirile kind. So all she can do is a blow job. Good head but I knew she was trying to bullshit me. She was not going to swallow either. I didn't even say anything but she says "ohhh I like to watch it". Bullshit! She was just not that great. Pussy was smelly also. Thats a problem with me. I thought I was generous at 150. But that will be the last she sees me.

So the list will be a lot shorter next week with a considerable amount of quality vs quantity. I am not pursuing much on the site anymore. But I will say that SDFORME has been much much more productive than SA. And fewer crazies also.

Comments criticisims? I can take it.

Also guys lets hear some other reports from you guys. With the amount of time I have spent surely there are some good stories out there that you could write a quick report on.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo