"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

Hollywood,

Once again great stuff. Quick question.

What do you do to qualify the POTs? Is it a questioning thing? What specific things are you looking for?

Also on the STD report do you redact you personal info?

And you don't think this is too forward?

Thanks again,

Revvo

[FredMoore]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...g-mistake.html

Rich guys sugar bill. In american dollars thats a $7. 5 million dollar home. Ridiculous.

For a good looking. Not awesome 39 year old with fake tits. And all they did was fight? This is way better.

Perfect example of bad judgement in an otherwise smart as hell Master of the Universe. This man could have any girl he wants and he picks a freak, by his own admission. So we all should not judge ourselves too harshly since most of us are not as well heeled. Emotions are a funny thing and sometimes we can be self destructive.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been the victim of many flakes since pursuing this little adventure. And it has been a source of great frustration. I am certain that I am not the only one. So to help myself as well as my brothers out.

Hi Revvo. Love your posts. While I do not disagree with this post let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. In the sugar bowl you are a salesperson. You are selling some girl on the idea that your goods are better than the competitors goods. In this post we are only talking about SB's. Not SW's, Strippers or Escorts of any kind.

Sales Call. Any part of the process prior to a Closed Sale.

Closed Sale. An exact time and date has been set for a M & G. This may be a coffee date or a motel date, car date, doesn't matter. Anything short of this is not a closed sale and so no flaking can occur.

Cancellation. The SB makes contact in some form to change the plans of the Closed Sale.

Flaked. The SB did not arrive at the destination at the agreed upon time and place. And there was no official Cancellation. Not even a one word txt.

In approximately 200 M & G's I have never been flaked on once. But I have been deceived about looks or upsold after a meet (another topic) due to poor qualifying. So I consider this a 100% closing rate. The average good sales person will close at 80% to 90%. The over eager sales person will close at 50. What makes the difference?

You send your initial intro letter to 20 pot SB's that are in your league. They are in your league based on comparable looks equality, interest level (personality compatability) or your ability to pay the going rate for the quality of goods and services offered. 7 girls write back to say that you sound interesting and that maybe you can move to the next level of negotiation. Do not over promise and stick to your budget. If you are casting a wide net most likely at least 3 will be slam dunks. At least one out of three will be a true non pro never did this before for real fresh off the farm SB. The other two will be UTR's, pros or seasoned veterans of some type.

Many SB's will answer in some way that may encourage you or say yes to almost any question you ask. It's easier to say yes than to say no. Eliciting a "yes" is not a Closed Sale. It may just be a way to avoid saying no. Many sales people do not pre-screen and pre-qualify enough to have a good close. It's more like a waiter in a Chinese restaurant that doesn't speak english saying yes when you ask if a certain item on the menu is any good. They never say no. Also initial short responses may occur due to txting while driving, being in the company of others, etc. But eventually a real convo must be started. If not just walk away. This is not a flake, just someone who is not interested.

Most girls will do anything to avoid a confrontation with a guy due to prior bad experiences. Not your fault but always keep in mind they are in the bowl because they are not happy about their lives in some way.

After a bit more messaging, txting, etc. You get to the actual live on the phone conversation. At this point you must do 2 things. Create a sense of urgency to meet asap within a take away environment. All decisions are based on emotion coupled with a financial return that equates to the matter at hand for both parties.

Once all this has been established and you feel a date and time has been set you are ALMOST there. Make sure you have an exact itinerary of their schedule for the day in question. Make sure their time is free and clear and only an absolute emergency can change things. Then make them repeat back to you exactly what, when and where they are agreeing to in no uncertain terms.

While this post could go on forever and be far more nuanced I am trying to keep it as short as possible. One more thought. There are 2 main types of guys out there. Hunters and trappers / fishers. I do a little of both. If the hunt does not produce an immediate Closed Sale, then I just set the trap or bait the hook and wait. I just walk away so to speak. I never appear to be over eager if I do not get the immediate desired response. It's much better to appear busy and have lots of choices. Real SD's do not grow on trees. It's supply and demand. I demand and they supply (or not). Either way I could care less. Just present the offer before the girl and let her decide. Don't sound salesy. No bragging, boasting or macho behavior. There is a new girl putting up her profile for the first time as you read this. Get there first, make your pitch, try for the close and walk away if you don't. Then let the call backs begin. Now you are in control.

Obviously this is a very general post and YMMV. Try different intro letters and track your results. Start a spread sheet and keep good notes. Build your pipeline and even make dates YOU may flake on (just cancel by txting). If your pipeline is big enough you could never meet all those girls anyway. But it looks good on your spreadsheet.

One last note. Always ask for a couple of pics (not nudes, just regular pics) and reply with a couple of yours (not bare in any way) along with a current std report and vasectomy report (if you have one). This will increase your closing rate.

[Revvo]

Dang! I hope I didn't end up overpaying. I registered at SA last week and went 2/2 in 48hrs. Average spend was $$.

Give us some details. Tell your story man. Don't leave us hangin.

We always try to help each other out on here. What seemed to work? Describe the babies.

Was it just a quick thing or long term potential?

2 for 2 in 48 hours thats awesome.

Revvo

[BigTigger]

#MsCosmetologist stood me up. She had been the most dependable of the bunch. Suddenly after two dates with the third in line for the TiggaBounce, she stops emailing and texting the day before she was supposed to drive up. Unfortunately because I had already prepaid for the room. I tried to no avail to get use out of it, but the 3 other SBs could not make that kind of move on short notice. I was so surprised by all of this, she's not returned one text since last Thursday. But she is another that smokes weed daily and I was trying to not be so judgmental. But again, the weed smokers have been the most undependable.

FreakyDentalAssitant as settled into her role as booty call friend. She's now sending x-rated videos to keep my attention. Very nice. If she would slim down some, she'd be in the running for my #1.

#MsIntelligentBeauty is having more issues with the University that requires more funds, but I've reached my non-Tiggabounce limit. If she'd move a little faster and give up the goodies, she'd get much more and would have these problems solved. She did finally send me a flirty picture that was very nice. So she's moving along in the right direction.

#MsPartyGirl wants to meet this week, but I can't. Between work and my two new CL finds, I'm not going to have the time.

#CL Finds.

#MsMarriedDeprived. 45 year old AA. Replied to my ad on CL, very nice body, tall (5'9 and then wears heels) and very well kept, sexy curvy body. Does not need any money, wants attention, companionship and a good screwing. We had a great 2 hour date that ended with some serious making out in her car with all body parts being touch by both. We'll probably meet again this week. She's has said that I can get the goodies on the next date.

#MsWhatABody. 27 year old AA. Replied to my ad on CL. She's prefect SB material. Nurse, making it with her own money, just needs a little help. Met her in person and looks better than her pics, moving her up to a "7" in the face department. 9.8 in the body department and 9. 5 in the personality department. It's a long story but we had a really long first date. So long it included two meals, lots of driving and ending with watching the game at her place. She has moved to the top of the list and we'll meet again on Wed.

BigTigg

[Revvo]

I have been the victim of many flakes since pursuing this little adventure. And it has been a source of great frustration. I am certain that I am not the only one. So to help myself as well as my brothers out.

I thought I might put together a little cheat sheet to help with the flaking problem. This is not all inclusive but it has the gist of the issues. Simply look at the characteristics below and select which ones your potential baby has. If she has more than two of these you are looking at t potential flake. If more than three you may want to consider moving on.

1. White and over an 8 on the looks scale.

2. Under 25 YO.

3. Asian and over a 7 on the looks scale.

4. Talked only about herself on the profile, such as spoil me, support me, take care of me, but did not mention what she will do.

5. Only uses one word answers on her responses to you or very short answers.

6. Takes more than an hour to respond to a text.

7. Does not have a job, or is only going to school casually such as not really pursuing a degree or profession.

8. Keeps unusual hours, such as out partying all night.

9. Cannot contribute to conversation. You have to do everything to keep it going.

10. Does not seem to have any outside interests. No passion or goal.

11. Nando 1's.

12. Strippers.

13. There appears to be drama or crisis in her life, such as boyfriend is mean to her, children from more than one father, etc.

14. Only uses one form of communication eg: texting, but will not or cannot talk on phone, or does not use email.

This list is not exhaustive. You may want to add or subtract from this. Because we are talking about women here. And even worse Sugar Babies. They are not going to be easy to nail down. Keep in mind that young beautiful women are being pursued on an almost constant basis. They may get hit on in person 10 or 20 times per day in a busy city where they see a large amount of the public. Then they are being inundated with offers on the SD sites. She may be juggling many men right up until and even after she meets you. Wouldn't you do that if you could? Hell some of us do that already.

Flaking is a part of the game. Just a little list to help deal with it. Kind of. Haha.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...g-mistake.html

Rich guys sugar bill. In american dollars thats a $7. 5 million dollar home. Ridiculous.

For a good looking. Not awesome 39 year old with fake tits. And all they did was fight? This is way better.

[HollywoodGuy]

The money attracts SBs. Of course. But many stay for more than the money. I started with a cute chubby SB who is a very intellectual college student. She was clearly into exploring her kinky side: getting blindfolded and tied up, spanked, teased and pleased. This girl can orgasm and squirt for hours on end to the point where I am totally physically exhausted and need additional help from some handy sex toys. I still give her presents and take her to eat etc. But we are well beyond the more usual arrangement of $ per date. I am the sexual highlight of her week and she is mine and so it goes. Life IS good my brothers

Yeah I wish I was more aware of all this sooner. LOL.

[PartyTimeGuy]

There are a few high moral character girls on the sites. They are naturally attracted to older guys. Money is not the prime objective. They want the total package. They will not have sex with more than one guy at a time. But they need a lot of emotional support. Typically they all want overnites (a good qualifier). No girl is spending 24 hours with you and having sex 2 or 3 times for $ because they are a gold digger.

The money attracts SBs. Of course. But many stay for more than the money. I started with a cute chubby SB who is a very intellectual college student. She was clearly into exploring her kinky side: getting blindfolded and tied up, spanked, teased and pleased. This girl can orgasm and squirt for hours on end to the point where I am totally physically exhausted and need additional help from some handy sex toys. I still give her presents and take her to eat etc. But we are well beyond the more usual arrangement of $ per date. I am the sexual highlight of her week and she is mine and so it goes. Life IS good my brothers

[HollywoodGuy]

YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.

My 30 year old daughter who has a decent job and is on a career path to 6 figures and is fully aware of my sugar activities does not seem interested in this type of arrangement. But if she found the right person and they wanted to spoil her in an exclusive or even non exclusive arrangement I would not disapprove (just stay safe and get tested). Being she has been spoiled to death by her bio daddy it would take more than a new bmw to accomplish this. But I can't really say "do as I say and not as I do." Both my sisters got into old school sugar arrangements (they married the money) in a scenario where I actually helped set them up (one is happily married and the other one is lez so I guess it was doomed from the start, poor guy). I guess it runs in the family. I always wished my own mom was a sugar babe, as I grew up mildly disadvantaged. I remember my grammy telling my sisters over and over "it's just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor man".

But I get your point. And it has taken me years to find these girls. And currently I have 4, but need to let one go due to my inability to fully sexually satisfy all four to the level they would like and still have something left over for the occasional random girl or interviewee. I tried really hard (no pun intended) to do that the last 2 months and I am beat. Strangely it doesn't stop me from continuing to interview. In last weeks search I found 3 (all 19 or 20). Two are just booty calls but 1 of those 3 for sure is a total non pro spinner with only one previous sexual partner. L. A. Is just too overloaded with pussy. Especially in the burbs.

When asked, they all complain there are just not enough SD's to go around. Like you say, supply and demand. I demand and they supply. Life is good.

[Flirting Guy]

YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.

Dang! I hope I didn't end up overpaying. I registered at SA last week and went 2/2 in 48hrs. Average spend was $$.

[FredMoore]

Have to disagree here. I am 59 and I have an endless supply of 18 to 20 year olds at my disposal. And thats at $ per date max.

YMMV Hollywood

It's good to hear that "good " girls can be found. I know generalizations are just that and there are always exceptions. Human nature is what it is, and many girls given the time and motivation can and will work the system to their advantage. We want sex and they want support. It is a marketplace subject to supply and demand And BTW, I'm am fully invested in seeking out these good girls and have found many But the fact is that they are selling their wares (thank G!) The acid test for "goodness" is whether you would approve of your daughter doing this on the SB side. LOL I already know the answer to that.

I used to be idealistic until I discovered my dear ATF # 1 had 3 of us on the hook. In spite of that I strive to find that one who is happy with one guy, loving, romantic, girlfriend like (GFE in escort parlance). I have to admit though that I can't find a $100 girl who is a keeper. I could keep 3 of those / week.

So, I see my ATF # 3 tomorrow night for an overnight, and have a super hot Pot meeting me for dinner Tuesday, and an AA hottie on Thursday. This week should be good if it all lines up as planned.

[HollywoodGuy]

Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.

My current ATF HCG found me and referred her sister to the site. The sister is keeping a string of multiple guys who are squiring her around, feeding her, fucking her. My girl might be doing that also, but she "says " not. After all, if SB A is getting $ 1000 / month from SD 1 for one day / week, why not line up another 2 Daddies to clean $3000 / month or more? And nobody is the wiser. SD #1 is 200 miles away#2 is 50 miles #3 is 1000 miles. Men do it, I'm sure the girls all do it as well.

There are a few high moral character girls on the sites. They are naturally attracted to older guys. Money is not the prime objective. They want the total package. They will not have sex with more than one guy at a time. But they need a lot of emotional support. Typically they all want overnites (a good qualifier). No girl is spending 24 hours with you and having sex 2 or 3 times for $ because they are a gold digger.

[HollywoodGuy]

Don, the young hotties must be all over you. Oh to be 30 ish again and have the $$ to mine this treasure chest. YMMV at any age but being

60ish definitely puts me in the back seat. Heck, even 40 yr olds are "young stuff" to me LOL. I think 30 to 40 is the optimal age for the 20 yr olds which I like.

"The Baroness" has been working SA and SDFM hard. I have gotten very aggressive proffers from her on my profiles on each site. She appears beautiful but her price was in the upper $ hundreds as I remember. She is too mercenary for my likes.

Have to disagree here. I am 59 and I have an endless supply of 18 to 20 year olds at my disposal. And thats at $ per date max.

[Rob Taylor]

Don't worry Rob, This ship has sailed and the cat's out of the bag. The young girls will keep on cumming because they like it, the old gals because they have too.

This Sugar life is a matter of public record and girls know easy money when they see it. Worst case scenario for a sugar baby, she gets a free dinner and / or drinks and ducks out on a Pot SD who she doesn't like the looks of. Best case she gets cash or stuff to bang a guy who is actually attractive to her and a good lover. All the while continually prospecting for another bigger and better payday. Some girls run a string of SDs all paying her for the privilege of fucking her. Morality doesn't seem to enter into it anymore. The bottom line, a girl with "good" morals would never enter this world for any reason. Period. All the rest of the 80 % come up with an rationalization to take money for sex.

I hope your right, but I remember in 05 when the craigslist scene was great, because all the chicks who were too normal or pretty.

To ever walked the streets, now had a venue to make money. You were able to find great girls at affordable prices, but then those girls start leaving the scene, and all you were left with was low end trash. Craigslist shut down, so the non pro scene was good for awhile and now its horrible. The backpage scene opened up at thats worse then craigslist towards the end of it run as far as quality of girls, even though the economy was way better in 05. These scenes can reduce in quality really fast, because the good looking chicks either find a long term boyfriend or improve their financial situation. I'm already seeing a decline in quality in SB scene from a year ago. There will always be low income girls, but hot college graduates will start to decline, along with the hott milfs.

Especially the White, Asian and to lesser extent Latin woman.

I could be wrong, and with advertising from CEO's of these SD sites, along with the fact that alot of these girls.

View this as normal, respectable and more moral than escorting, that there will always be a baseline of quality.

For all of our sakes, but I don't want to take any chances.