"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.

This sounds like a good approach to the problem. Thanks.

[SubCmdr]

Gentleman,

Due to the integrated nature of spanking and bondage in sugar life I have put together a brief "quick start" guide to these activities. Although I will be the first to admit that I am no expert. I have received several inquires about it via PM. I have been spanking and tying women up long before I realized what a gift women are to the pursuit of my personal happiness.

To avoid any additional potential nastiness about my attitudes and methods I will not post it here. Just PM me for it and I will send it to you. And unless I'm filling a nasty girl with my splooge here on the east coast you will find my harsh, irreverent and disrespectful commentary in the LA or Las Vegas forums. The girl philosophy towards all women in my life has changed it for the better. It works for me. YMMV!

Lie to your wife's, SO's and girl's! Keep with real with yourselves you women loving mother fuckers (LOL)! And stop eating that her pussy. Let the panty boi's in their lives eat pussy. Give them the dick!

SubCmdr out!

[LikeMike1963]

What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.

Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.

I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.

And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.

[RichmondDude]

We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.

I am new to sugar world. Not the game, I tend to go for less attractive, less $, they seem to be more friendly, have had one high end sb, didn't like her $ need, felt like I owed her, I'm hoping to find that happy medium. Mid looks-body, yet still friendly, and don't mind hanging out for awhile. Got 1, 27yro little chubby, very reasonable. Very. Very freaky, will hang out for hrs, for little or nothing.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood,

Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?

I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?

Revvo

I say it Over and Over. Their typical response is. I love you more. And they do. there is no false expectation.. I am an honest and loyal SD... but if they cross me they are gone. I always tell them to think of me as a stepping stone. Nothing lasts forever. Just enjoy it while you can.

[BigTigger]

We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.

[BigTigger]

I did some browsing through some old bookmarks and I took a look at escort prices and wow!

We have our ups and downs in this Hobby, but I just love the middle ground of SBs. When I think of all the activity and time that I can get for $250-$350 with a SB compared to the 1 hour I get with an escort; it's going to be hard to pick the escort over the SB. Thanks to this hobby I even got a posse of short notice booty call women. These come for free.

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a "6" three different times than "10" one time!"

(Inspired by SubCmdr)

[Revvo]

Hollywood,

Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?

I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?

Revvo

[F Scott]

Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.

Attention! Commander on deck!

Something about Baldy Cruiser

[Literal2]

My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.

Got it HG. Not a problem. Thanks for your response.

[Literal2]

Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live.

Amen to that.

I hope I die fucking a 10/10/10.

I hope you do too, Hollywood. Good luck.

[HollywoodGuy]

Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!

Can't comment on what Tools might do. That's just not how I roll. But to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!

Keep up the good work, my brothers!

Scott

This thread has over 3, 000 posts compared to less than 300 in L. A. So I could say too many cooks spoil the soup, or if I want to hear about lame sexual encounters from guys with less game than a six year old playing monopoly I will read a steamy romance story in cosmo.

Or maybe its more like a long novel and L. A. Is just on chapter one while richmond is on volume three. I, ve read other threads on this site that most would say glorify acts of degradation. But after reading them more closely I came to realize thats just how complex the overall topic of pussy can be and got a little more open minded as to what makes some people tick without judging their tactics or motives.

I have never been a player hater although I have certainly encountered many. I've had my ass kicked, been threatened and have been arrested twice and detained a couple more all over pussy. I have even been a male version of a Nando 1 SB myself so suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly have mine. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. I hope I die fucking an 18 year old 10/10/10.

Hopefully none of this gets redacted as I believe it is an honest and non-hateful response. I have never tried to push the limits of this site. And i realize my sarcasm my be more than some are wanting to hear. let the moderators decide.

[HollywoodGuy]

This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.

My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.

Also the whole fetish variable is so varied and nuanced it would take a books worth of writing to accurately describe it in relation to the discussion at hand, which to me is the aquiring, maintaining and training of a worthy SB.

[Literal2]

REVVOATF1; *she is always available if she can get away. *She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. *

REVVOSB1; Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. *So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can.

Maybe this is what the al quaeda types dream about for their afterlife in paradise. Very nice.

[Literal2]

Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message.

Sounds to me like you handled this well.