Sugar Daddy Sites

[Dirty Old Guy]

Commander,

I am speaking for myself. I am older, not well-to-do either, and the only garden tool I have is an entrenching tool. There ain't nothin lavish about me.

All I have for income are some investments, Social Security, Marine Corps pension (thanks for paying your taxes guys, so I can get my retirement check every month) and a part-time job as a marshal at a golf course, so I have to watch the pennies too. Maybe that's why I only do AMP's, BP and an occasional SW.

As John G. pointed out, there is a lot of CYA when it comes to doing the Sugar Daddy stuff. I guess I don't have the patience for all that. I guess it's nice to have one 'special' honey to go to on a regular basis, but I like more variety and also the ability to hit it and get on to the next one.

Carry on,

Dirty

Mr. Dirty Old Guy,

With all due respect speak for yourself. I am neither, well-to-do, older nor do I spend lavishly on my garden tools (LOL)!

Attention! Commander on deck!

[John G Smith]

OC,

I don't think that being the sugar daddy should be hard work. SHE should be the one to carry the weight. She's the one who needs someone to support her (part-time or full-time) , she's the one who placed the ad on a site that is sex based and SHE is the one who knows she has to give it up in exchange for you taking care of her. Your job is to relax and enjoy it. Look busy. .

Actually it is hard work being a sugar daddy. At least compared to seeing escorts or going to AMPs. Yes, in a successful SD / SB arrangement, the girl should be servicing you on your whims. But being a sugar daddy also requires you to be in deep cover (especially if you're married or have a high profile job). You have to keep track of aliases, hide communications, hide / destroy receipts, keep identifying info away from her at all times, avoid serious emotional attachment, and etc.

The end product with a SB is often far more satisfying than it is with an escort or Pro. But in comparison it takes a lot of work both in acquiring and maintaining. So don't kid yourself. If you under-estimate the work involved, you'll probably get burnt sooner rather than later.

[Dirty Old Guy]

OC,

I don't think that being the sugar daddy should be hard work. SHE should be the one to carry the weight. She's the one who needs someone to support her (part-time or full-time) , she's the one who placed the ad on a site that is sex based and SHE is the one who knows she has to give it up in exchange for you taking care of her. Your job is to relax and enjoy it. Look busy.

Websters defines,"Sugar Daddy" as:

: a well-to-do usually older man who supports or spends lavishly on a mistress, girlfriend, or boyfriend

Come on OC. She knows that she's sellin the pussy, and that you're there to buy it. Jump into that thing and get sweaty!

Dirty.

I signed up to the SD site and when I looked around the profiles located near me, I found at least 40 that advertise on HX.

And I received a whole bunch of spam mails from the SB's looking for a pay day for nothing.

So far, I've contacted about 8 SB (all under 25yo and white) and 6 of them got back to me within a reasonable timeframe. However. 3 of them wanted some sort of money guarantee upon the 1st meeting which I rejected. I think the 1st meeting is suppose to find out if we're suitable for each other so further actions and move forward. The other 2 are obvious hustlers who wanted 500 and 800 for the day. Let's just say the approach from them reeks of a gold digger that I've tons of experience with. 1 of them 24yo blonde might work out since she didn't ask for anything and after a few back and forth and a nice convo on the phone, she is willing to go on a date on Tuesday, her off day from work. I will meet her for lunch and if that goes well, we'll see.

I think this is going to take some work from me which I don't know if I have the time for. I really don't like any strings attached. I can do the lunch and dinner thing but I just won't do any shopping or stroll on the beach crap. Don't need another SO, just need something non-pro for a fix on a regular basis.

[OCBilly]

I signed up to the SD site and when I looked around the profiles located near me, I found at least 40 that advertise on HX.

And I received a whole bunch of spam mails from the SB's looking for a pay day for nothing.

So far, I've contacted about 8 SB (all under 25yo and white) and 6 of them got back to me within a reasonable timeframe. However. 3 of them wanted some sort of money guarantee upon the 1st meeting which I rejected. I think the 1st meeting is suppose to find out if we're suitable for each other so further actions and move forward. The other 2 are obvious hustlers who wanted 500 and 800 for the day. Let's just say the approach from them reeks of a gold digger that I've tons of experience with. 1 of them 24yo blonde might work out since she didn't ask for anything and after a few back and forth and a nice convo on the phone, she is willing to go on a date on Tuesday, her off day from work. I will meet her for lunch and if that goes well, we'll see.

I think this is going to take some work from me which I don't know if I have the time for. I really don't like any strings attached. I can do the lunch and dinner thing but I just won't do any shopping or stroll on the beach crap. Don't need another SO, just need something non-pro for a fix on a regular basis.

[SubCmdr]

At 11:31 I would have just stopped txting and said f it. And I assume you knew it was over right then. But sometimes it is fun just see how lame the convo can get.

HG, I realize it was over soon as she didn't show up. I'm good at the game. But I don't have the time in the game that you do. I considered it a learning experience. I had nothing else to do for the evening except text. It was an interesting conversation. That's why I shared.

You have a championship team. I'm still putting work on in and building mine.

[Member #2041]

At 11:31 I would have just stopped txting and said f it. And I assume you knew it was over right then. But sometimes it is fun just see how lame the convo can get.

Just a suggestion. Don't offer or give them money UNTIL they show up. I've actually been on sugardaddie. Com, and a few years ago, had a few meetings, one of which led to a session with a woman looking to experience sex outside of her marriage for the first time, and a few actual dating relationships, but nowadays, I'm only being hit up by actual obvious gold diggers.

[HollywoodGuy]

Gentleman,

Back on SA chatting the garden tools up. Conversations going well but have not closed any deals.

Just got back from being stood up. Hate to admit it but the Commander just got worked. The SA profile is 148716 Nickname Holli. I send her my standard $100 offer which she accepts. Sends me pictures off line. We are good. Sets the initial meeting up at a chic Oceanside bar. Text conversation below:

Me: Are you here? 11:08 PM.

Her: No. 11:19 PM.

Me: What's up Baby? 11:21 PM.

Her: Offering $100 right off the bat seems pretty sketchy. To good to be true I guess. 11:23 PM.

Me: Baby, I was not going to give you $100 for just showing up. Seriously? 11:25 PM.

Her: Yeah. 11:26 PM.

Me: This is not match. Com. We check chemistry and do some private time. $100 is to let you know I am a SD. Not someone trying to date you! 11:27 PM.

Her: You and I are on the same page then. What is your expectation of $100? 11:28 PM.

Me: Whatever you are comfortable with. I expect no more than you are prepared to give. 11:30 PM.

Her: $100 isn't very much. 11:31 PM.

Me: Tell me. What do you want? 11:32 PM.

Her: $500 for max 2hrs. $100 to go down on me for like 10mins. $300 for an hour. I have a friend too if too want a 3some. 11:34 PM.

At this point I'm sitting my my car lmao!

Me: Baby are you a professional? 11:35 PM.

Her: I am well taken care of by gentlemen who have stamina that they need to give to a dirty girl. 11:37 PM.

Her: Me. 11:38 PM.

Her: My friend. 11:38 PM.

Me: Well I don't how well they take care of you if you are talking to me. But I will take your word for it. 11:39 PM.

Me: My needs are different and more modest. Are your friends rates the same? 11:39 PM.

Her: Yes hers are the same. 11:41 PM.

Me: Ok, You too roll in a different market than I do. 11:42 PM.

Me: Although I would appreciated it if you had up let me know you were going to show up. You did pick a nice place. 11:43 PM.

Her: What's your market? 11:44 PM.

Me:. You were not going to show up. 11:44 PM.

Her: What do you want to do? 11:47 PM.

Me: Baby I just want some head mish and doggy style. I want to bust a couple of times. Then we say our goodbyes into the next time. Simple and uncomplicated. 11:48 PM.

Her: What are you looking to spend? 11:49 PM.

Me: Not $500 or even $300 11:53 PM.

Her: Oh ok. .11:54 PM.

Me: How much for just some head? 12:06 AM.

Her: $150 have the play safe and you can nut on my tits. 12:08 AM.

Me: I don't mind CBJ'S but I would prefer $ and I have not even met you yet. The chemistry thing is important to me. 12:12 AM.

Me: $100 I mean 12:14 AM.

And that is it. So, I finish up my evening sexting to Ms. Canada which I'm meeting in Vegas at the end of the month. Her pussy is very wet in anticipation of my dick and she is letting me know.

So, I'm debriefing and completing my after action report. Phone number came back to a local handyman service. Photos were fine no hits on Google. So I can only figure UTR. I suppose her incall is close to the bar or right in the hotel where she directs you and she gets guys to just come on over. If not, she is just chilling in her room and no big deal for her.

There is a first for everything. Garden Tool: 1 v Commander: 0

At 11:31 I would have just stopped txting and said f it. And I assume you knew it was over right then. But sometimes it is fun just see how lame the convo can get.

[SubCmdr]

Gentleman,

Back on SA chatting the women up. Conversations going well but have not closed any deals.

Just got back from being stood up. Hate to admit it but the Commander just got worked. The SA profile is 148716 Nickname Holli. I send her my standard $100 offer which she accepts. Sends me pictures off line. We are good. Sets the initial meeting up at a chic Oceanside bar. Text conversation below:

Me: Are you here? 11:08 PM.
Her: No. 11:19 PM.
Me: What's up Baby? 11:21 PM.
Her: Offering $100 right off the bat seems pretty sketchy. To good to be true I guess. 11:23 PM.
Me: Baby, I was not going to give you $100 for just showing up. Seriously? 11:25 PM.
Her: Yeah. 11:26 PM.
Me: This is not match. Com. We check chemistry and do some private time. $100 is to let you know I am a SD. Not someone trying to date you! 11:27 PM.
Her: You and I are on the same page then. What is your expectation of $100? 11:28 PM.
Me: Whatever you are comfortable with. I expect no more than you are prepared to give. 11:30 PM.
Her: $100 isn't very much. 11:31 PM.
Me: Tell me. What do you want? 11:32 PM.
Her: $500 for max 2hrs. $100 to go down on me for like 10mins. $300 for an hour. I have a friend too if too want a 3some. 11:34 PM.
At this point I'm sitting my my car lmao!
Me: Baby are you a professional? 11:35 PM.
Her: I am well taken care of by gentlemen who have stamina that they need to give to a dirty girl. 11:37 PM.
Her: Me. 11:38 PM.
Her: My friend. 11:38 PM.
Me: Well I don't how well they take care of you if you are talking to me. But I will take your word for it. 11:39 PM.
Me: My needs are different and more modest. Are your friends rates the same? 11:39 PM.
Her: Yes hers are the same. 11:41 PM.
Me: Ok, You too roll in a different market than I do. 11:42 PM.
Me: Although I would appreciated it if you had up let me know you were going to show up. You did pick a nice place. 11:43 PM.
Her: What's your market? 11:44 PM.
Me:. You were not going to show up. 11:44 PM.
Her: What do you want to do? 11:47 PM.
Me: Baby I just want some head mish and doggy style. I want to bust a couple of times. Then we say our goodbyes into the next time. Simple and uncomplicated. 11:48 PM.
Her: What are you looking to spend? 11:49 PM.
Me: Not $500 or even $300 11:53 PM.
Her: Oh ok. .11:54 PM.
Me: How much for just some head? 12:06 AM.
Her: $150 have the play safe and you can nut on my tits. 12:08 AM.
Me: I don't mind CBJ'S but I would prefer $ and I have not even met you yet. The chemistry thing is important to me. 12:12 AM.
Me: $100 I mean 12:14 AM.

And that is it. So, I finish up my evening sexting to Ms. Canada which I'm meeting in Vegas at the end of the month. Her pussy is very wet in anticipation of my dick and she is letting me know.

So, I'm debriefing and completing my after action report. Phone number came back to a local handyman service. Photos were fine no hits on Google. So I can only figure UTR. I suppose her incall is close to the bar or right in the hotel where she directs you and she gets guys to just come on over. If not, she is just chilling in her room and no big deal for her.

[BigTigger]

OMG. I think I found my new "Tag Line"

Now, I would rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once.

[Jooop]

LOL a spirited economics debate sub LOL in regards to Chicago vs LA. When I pay 250-500 in LA. I get away better looking girl or a girl of higher social quality than 250-500 gets me in Chicago. I conceded that the California and Florida markets were superior.

Markets where my money goes further. In regards to the phone arguement smartphones have productvity apps that make my life easier and allow me to get things done or enjoy luxurys that, I only could from my computer a few years ago. There are high end smart phones (Galaxy S4, Iphone 5s) that have the best productivity apps hardware (faster processor) superior software integration.

With faster updates and support. Then you have prepaid android phones with less stellar software and hardware, but your right.

If all you trying to do is text and call and maybe just use apps every once in awhile that is find. There are value phones like the nexus 4 that give you close to comparable functionality of the high end at a discount but they are still more expensive than low end walmart android.

As it applies to girls, I assign value on market research, not blind faith I want a hott normal non flaky chick who is employed.

Educated and good in the sack (anything less and I might as well go back to complete civy dating with a quarterly high end escort.

Hrown in the mix). In my research when I would first offer girls to pay their cell phone bill for a month or two 75-200 bucks on a constant basis the girls that would respond to that were only average to below average in looks and had a high propesity exhibitnando traits. The hott chicks that I wanted kept refusing my offers, so now I do my cell phone payment opening bid, more than likely, the girls I want refuse and I up the price. I find value sometime, thats better than the 250-500 that I usaully score in. I aslo cross reference the quality of my girls vs what other guys say they get on the SB, non pro and escort market. I compare the girls picture to the cheap girls on backpage and the expensive girls on eros or high end agency sites. I determine what she would go for on those markets per hour and make my decision in addition to adding in her security risk. I also compare her to my civy dates and compare cost advantage.

I don't think these girls love me like some of the guys in Richmond, but the sugar is cross between the escort and casual civy dating market. Unlike escorts alot of SB's will refuse certain advances for various reasons. Tom Bradys wife would not marry him if he wasnt a rich football player, but she probably would not marry ray lewis or donald trump either, so there are different factors at work than just economics like the escort market.

You do no that up side down the pussy is the same at 500. 00 or 150. 00, I can not my self indulge into this high price pussy.

[Member #5570]

My CPO still comes out pretty good I'm young and so I recover quick and get multiple pops. Even in the California market, I shell about 250-500 for an 8-10 (non blk girl). I pay the premium to avoid Nando's and UTR. I fine girls who are verifiable, normal college educated a job no criminal history. Also I get most my girls off SA, because SA girls seem more normal then sd4me. The allowance publishing on SA causes GPS. You also have those sugar babys on the blogs, who are datig 1% guys and they ifluence others. Example I have a ddate with a latin MILF former fitness model, college educated, low security risk. This is what I pay that premium for. I could get a girl off sd4me for 150, but theres a chance she could be complete crazy nando. I need that piece of mind. Also, I think because I am on the younger end of sugar daddys. I rate girls a little harsher, because I associate with young woman in night clubs all the time. So a 7. 5 to some of you guys is a 5 or lower to me. I'm a lot more picky when it comes to looks is another reason, I pay a premium. But no worries it just like smart phones, some people want cheaper androids and other wants a premium for apple.

I have to respectfully disagreed with this. There's nothing an Iphone 5s can do that a Samsung S4, LG Optimus G, or an HTC One X+ can't do.

As a matter of fact, these "cheaper" Android phones can do a few things better than the 5s, once rooted and unlocked. The 5s, raw performance wise, is already behind their competitors.

But getting back to SB. There are lots of values to be had in the 100-150 range. Given, you have to put in some more leg work.

As you can tell, I am a value shopper. I don't pay $3k for brand spanking new 1080p 3D LED HDTV that released on day 1. I wait 6 months later and get it for $1k less, or get last year's model for half the price.

But whatever rocks your boat.

[HollywoodGuy]

Interesting discussion!

That said, at least out here in Southern California, you don't have to spend 300-500 per visit to get a stable SB. Granted, if you're aiming for perfect 10 white and asians, then maybe you'll have to spend that much. But there are a ton of very good looking young 20 something girls that can be had for 150-250 out here.

More like 2 tons. LOL. I realize that due to financial constraints I am always talking up the $ girls. But there are many worthy girls at $$. I sometimes get depressed at all my turn downs but being forced into the $ market has made me a better shopper and if and when I can return to the $$ market they would all have to be 9+/9+ with skills to match.

Beautiful face, awesome body, good skills. At $ you should get a minimum of 2 out of 3 but at $$ you should absolutely get 3 out of 3. If not the E volvement as subcomander likes to say is definitely factoring into your decision making. As a side note. I used to be married to the equivalent of one of those HouseWives type women. When I see the drama and expense those guys have to go through to get laid by girls that turn my gut (old, bitchy, demanding) i feel blessed to have lived long enough to have upped my game and slashed the price. My golden years how ever many i get will truly be golden.

Btw.. I am unaware of any other forum with the in depth and informative commentary on this topic on any site, other than this thread and the richmond thread. I want to thank all who contribute and on all the local L.A. threads as well. Super helpful all around.

[John G Smith]

Interesting discussion!

I actually agree with both sides to an extent. I tend to gravitate toward SBs who are in school (even community college) , live at home still, and work. My reasons are for both financial and security reasons.

Girls who are in college, live at home, and work generally have some stability and don't hit me every time just to put gas in their car or feed their "habit". Likewise, they don't need to solely live off my man-teet because their basic expenses are usually taken care of. I've found that girls in the 7/10 range who are college / job stable are usually happy with 150-250 per visit. Sometimes you can get it a little lower depending.

While I don't have SBs coming to my house, I like stable SBs because do they have an incentive to be discrete as well. A girl who works, goes to school, and lives at home isn't going to get too crazy generally. Even with college SBs and pots where it didn't work out, I've never had a stable SB give me any kind of trouble in terms of blackmail or threats. The times I had trouble were always from girls who had no job, not in school, and lived on their friend's sofa.

That's why I do segment SBs into different categories. If you treat and approach every SB the same, you're going to get yourself into trouble depending on your situation.

That said, at least out here in Southern California, you don't have to spend 300-500 per visit to get a stable SB. Granted, if you're aiming for perfect 10 white and asians, then maybe you'll have to spend that much. But there are a ton of very good looking young 20 something girls that can be had for 150-250 out here. It's still a buyer's market, so be careful that you're not over-paying. A lot of girls may come out the gate wanting 400-500 but can be fairly easily talked down to a lower amount if you sound serious and respectful.

Also be aware that many of the "10/10" girls who ask for 500 and above are indeed UTR highend call girls. Many highend call girls have "normal" day lives. So just be aware of that. Paying a premium price doesn't necessarily mean you're not getting a PRO.

I'm also one of the younger SDs on this board and it has both it's advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that we sometimes have an easier time relating to 18/19 year-olds and the 20 somethings because we're only about a half a generation away from them. The downside is that many SBs don't think the young SDs have that much money and sometimes "quote" us higher amounts to make sure we're for real and not some young guy playing with a bonus check. And as Hollywood Guy said, there's a good chunk of girls who are on those sites simply because they have a thing for older men. SDs who are too close to their age may remind them of all the bad experiences they've had with men their age. It's probably why I've never had a SB over the age of 25. I'm in my 30s, so most SBs my age either want SDs in their 40s+ or they have a lot of baggage and expenses that I can't afford to support.

But overall, I'm believer that the SB game can be played in a many number of ways and with different objectives. I try not to pass too much judgment on any one method or objective. I just try to share my experiences given my own methods / objectives and let others readings determine if it's useful to them or not.

[HollywoodGuy]

OK. Point taken. I am a slow learner. I need a few 2x4's to the head to learn. But I do learn.

Some one once said "the root of all suffering is attachment". I think I may be a little attached to the women as opposed to the deal.

Old habits die hard,

Revvo

I agree that the first step is to establish the physical chemistry above all else. You may never go beyond that. But more often than not after a certain amount of time an emotional attachment will evolve with your long term babies. I love all my LTR's but am not currently "in love" with any of them. I would not be devastated if any of them ditched me. While I am not against this possibility (of falling in love) it hasnt happened in the last 5 years. And the last time it did, it ended badly. I would still be open to taking the risk if the feelings were there. I am sure I say I love you a few times a day to multiple girls. And I do love them. Just not to the point where I am going to risk my fortune or mental health over it.

[Rob Taylor]

Mr. Taylor,

Sprited debate indeed. We need more of your input in the Richmond Forum. You are a man of analytical thought. A rare thing in the sugar world.

I do have a question. How do you determine the "good in the sack" part before you "get in the sack"? Because I have found that looks, job, background, emotional and mental stability and the money they are willing to accept has nothing to do with sexual performance. Of course I will acknowledge that I don't really care about the ascetic qualities you factor in to your equation. I take my grading sheet and determine if they perform my preferred sexual acts and then rate the quality of the performance and their attitude.

And I disagree that sugar babies say no more than Escorts. On any given day on BP you and find ads that have qualifications based on race and age. I rarely see that on SA or SD4m. All of my rejections stem from one source only: Money or lack their of (lmao).

Attention! Commander on deck!

I determine sexual ability based on conversation, after I get them in the sack I determine do I want to continue with this arrangement based on abilities. I try to get a hot enough girl in the looks category that I could tolerate even if their sexual performance is mediocre so I don't waste money. (doesn't always workout). The asectic qualities are more for security and to lower the risk of getting (blackmailed, my place robbed, and other nando head aches) , because I like to save money by inviting girls to my place. I would feel more comfortable with college professional in my house, than an ex stripper who has friends that are escorts.

I also need someone that has huge incentives to be discreet, the more normal they are, The more incentive they have to be discreet. A girl with a good job has alot to loose, a girl who is living on her friends basement floor does not.

Yes some girls do discriminate on race and age on backpage, but if I message seven girls on sugar site, I might end up.

With three responses and maybe I bone one of them. If I call two chicks on back page its guranteed I'm getting laid within the next hour. The discrimination mainly only applies to AA males so if your not in that demographic its really a non issue and even if you are, you only have to spend another five seconds looking and you will be getting laid. The high end market these things are a non issue, because everybody is screened and provides references. The backpage market is less regulated.