"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 04-06-13 10:08

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.

*Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered.

This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.

**Literal2** · 04-06-13 09:58

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section.

Come on Scott. No need for that.

Its great to see another post from you. More F Scott stories, please!

**TreasureHunter** · 04-06-13 03:44

It's been awhile since I posted and this board is even more popular since my last post! I wanted to thank the Godfathers of the board for replying to my hotel question. I'm working on a couple of POTS but work has me occupied, so I can't spend as much time as I'the like on searching for babies and meet and greets.

You fellas seem to be striking gold at every turn! I'm especially proud of the guys who had bad experiences in the beginning but kept at it and are now knee deep in puntang.

I'm playing catch up but I will contribute when I can.

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-06-13 03:13

A while back I remember reading about Golden Mans (pretty sure it was him) tactic of chatting up shop girls and dropping hints that would lead to an SB arrangement. He went out of his way to frequent places that typically hired PYT's. I thought it was interesting but figured it could never work for me due to my tight schedule and not having the time to invest in this type of pursuit.

One of the few social activities I engage in is the occasional fetish party. There is a big fetish scene in L. A. That I am not a part of but I drop in from time to time. 95%+ of the girls are pro-dommes with a few subs, strippers and adult performers of various types. But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.

Usually they do it once and never come back as they consider it creepy to display their private desires at a party or just too far out. Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered. As my skills in that area are well honed we had an instant connection. She immediately left and I did not see her again for a few months. She said she had a boyfriend and it all seemed too remote.

But over the course of a year I saw her at a couple other parties and we were always cordial and would hookup for a session or 2 and that was it. But we did exchange phone #'s. Finally one day a month or so ago I see her at a party and I say to her, "I know you like me, why don't we just meet at my place and fck". She says "I really like you but I can't" I ask why not and she says "you are a manhore", as she did know a little about my lifestyle from some conversations we had along the way. So I leave it at that and go home and forgot all about any chance of doing her.

Three days ago she calls me in a panic about a minor legal problem and I calm her down. She says she has to go to the court (which is right near my house) and will I pick her up because she is full of anxiety and wants to chill at my place for a little fetish fun (no charge). So I pick her up today. We go to my house and straight to the bedroom. With in minutes I pull out a $ and hand it to her. She looks at me surprised and says "is this for my birthday?". As coincidentally it was a couple weeks ago. I say yes and we proceed to chill for an hour.

Prior to leaving there was a little hugging and some minor kissing, followed by a little more in the car. Now since day one there has been awesome chemistry (but no physical affection displayed outside the fetish session) and that has led to nothing. The exact reason I never civi date. Way too much dancing around and uncertainty. A few hours later the heavy txting begins and I am going to talk to her tomorrow and see her next week. At my house she says she has to break up with her BF to pursue this. As she is strictly a one man type of woman and never dates guys that play around. Now it appears like it will progress no matter what. I admit I have my hopes up.

So is it a combination of a shared interest, a real physical attraction and maybe the $ combined that pushed her over the edge (almost)? We will see and I will let you know. She is a 7/9 spinner (rare for her cultural background and actually looked down on as unattractive) with a perfect fetish match. BTW. I did reveal all four of my regular SB's to her in detail so there is no deception.

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-06-13 00:50

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.

I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.

I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.

I never look at a girl being on her period as a bad thing. Of course I want to fck (and never do that when its that time of the month, it's a kosher thing) but there are so many other things you can do that we all seem to forget. Like letting her practice her oral skills or anal if thats what you're into. Most girls need and want oral training. Whether they think they are oral artists or not we know that 4 out of 5 times it could be better. They want to please us and its a great way to show their appreciation.

Talk to them while they are practicing, either instructionally or dirty or both. Praise their accomplishments and improved skills. Let them know daddy loves them no matter what. Spend time just kissing and petting (and even talking. LOL). While you may wish for more, the level of bonding achieved in these so called down times will be more than made up for later.

Like the suit guy says "I guarantee it"

**FredMoore** · 04-05-13 23:43

Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.

I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.

And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.

**Revvo** · 04-05-13 20:07

First a hearty hello and thanks to the Tig man. Long time no hear. Don't forget about us amatures out here.

So the week has finished off with a bang in more than one way. Lets update shall we.

REVVOATF1; This is just getting better. No drama, no bullshit, no lying that I have been able to detect. And believe me I have checked. No excuses. Oh and she is on retainer and no crap about that either, she is always available if she can get away. (thanks Sub on advice on trusting my instincts they appear to be right on this one) And this is a baby that has real financial problems, a 4 yo child, and not a lot of support resources where she lives. I am really impressed. I treat her right. And she does me. She is not clingy. And does not want that from a man. Live your own life and meet in the middle.

So meet we did and had a nice dinner and then up to the FC. I give her instructions occasionally throughout the week. This does several things it engenders compliance, it AMPs up both our sexual desire for when we meet, and maintains her submissive position. If you have not tried this you should. It works great. The sex was awesome. Two nuts and we were both spent. I spanked her ass so hard it was beet red. Long after we were done. She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. I will just have to go back and finish the job. LOL. This is a beautiful woman that is highly sexual and ready to please. I sometimes cannot believe my luck.

REVVOSB1; Yes this was almost too easy. It's so funny how hard you work for something sometimes and all you get are bruises and cuts, and frustration. Then a beautiful little angel literally falls into your lap. She was everything I hoped she would be and more. Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. Get this. I am about 4 minutes late. She gets there early and gets us a table, and orders me a drink. She is in a cute little business suit waiting for me! Do you understand what this is like? A POT waiting for you. This may be a first in SD / SB history! Usually I am just hoping some miserable flaky POT just shows up, forget being on time. This one is trying from square one to please. Once again no bullshit, no complaining, no trying to hustle, no working some angle. Just a pleasant lunch where we talk about everything and she is trying to understand how to please me. I feel like I am writing one of those bullshit penthouse forum letters. But this is the real thing.

So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can. Perfect little size 00 body, weighs 100lbs soaking wet. And a pair shaped ass that brought a tear to my eye. Two nuts and I am out of condoms. And energy. I could possibly go for a third nut. But the problem isn't my dick its my stamina. These babies want to be fucked really hard, and I can only keep up that pace for so long. I am going to have to up my workouts. And get them to blow me more before slip my cock in their pussy.

Well that is it for now. My little asian fortune cookie is off to NY for work for a while. And my ATF started her period right after I fucked her. So I will see her late next week sometime. Man I feel so lucky. Beats the shit out of sitting home watching TV! But it's not luck it is a lot of work and risk to get here. And no guarantee it will last. My friend who I really trust is the only one who know about this and he says there is a good chance I will get caught.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

**SubCmdr** · 04-05-13 19:15

Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.

**John G Smith** · 04-05-13 18:37

It's very interesting that this discussion came up. Just the other night I actually got the PMS info from my Innocence SB, so I can track her cycle. There's a bunch of free apps and websites that will track cycles for you. I use a web-based tracker and pretty much any SB I begin to see on a regular basis, I put her info in the PMS tracker. Sometimes I'm coy about asking when her last cycle began, other times (like with my current SB) I'm pretty direct.

Some guys are fine with having bloody intercourse, but not me. I'm not big on blood to begin with, and menstrual blood can have a strong odor and can be hard to clean. Also some studies suggest there's an increase risk in picking up STDs (not just HIV) having period sex even with a condom. So I prefer to avoid intercourse altogether during that time.

So overall I try to schedule my time around her period. But if it sneaks up on her then yeah she should be willing to take care of business in other ways. She still has a mouth, hands, and tits.

FredMoore. If you like this girl and you don't consider her a "tool", then I wouldn't bother trying to get a "free" visit to make up for this. It'll probably just drag on the issue and create more animosity. But I do recommend giving a STRONG lecture to her about how she did not get you off by other means. She needs to understand that regardless your needs to be met especially if you're giving her sugar. Her duty is to satisfy you. In fact, she should want to satisfy you. Leaving you with blue balls is not an option even if she's on the rag.

But Fred, I would just tred carefully. If everything else is going good, you don't want to blow-up the arrangement over this one issue. Just make sure she now knows what time it is so it doesn't happen in the future.

EDIT: Haha, looks like I pretty much said the same thing as BigTigger.

**BigTigger** · 04-05-13 18:09

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you.

Attention! Commander on deck!

Agreed!

Looking at this from the "I care about her" perspective. She should also care about you. I've had women to almost get mad if during regular sex I didn't have an orgasm. There seems to be an imbalance of "care" in this relationship. She should also care about you enough to want you always sexually satisfied. There was no need for her to make it up later, she needed to get with the program right then. I'm a nice guy and I understand not wanting to be too forward. But there are times were it's 100% in your right in any relationship to be selfish and take action (she may complain at first, but she'll get with it, if not, you may need to move on anyway). Oral, Anal, Hand, or Breasts with oil. I've even had some with very nice butts, slap some oil in the cheeks and let me go to town. When she cares about your satisfaction, then there is no reason you should not leave completely drained!

These relationships are supposed to be "Mutually Beneficial", choose your tactic wisely, but set a standard. Remember often times people will do (in this case "not do") what you let them get away with.

BigTigg

**F Scott** · 04-05-13 17:14

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Re the period thing. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.

Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!

Can't comment on what Tools might do - that's just not how I roll - but to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!

Keep up the good work, my brothers!

Scott

**Literal2** · 04-05-13 14:14

A great bunch of posts yesterday and today. Very useful.

Re the period thing. I agree she should let you know in advance. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.

**SubCmdr** · 04-05-13 13:53

Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you. It would be a sad world if only the pussy was available for us to get off.

Now I have had women start their periods in all sorts of situations and relationships. There are only two types of women: those who will get you off during their periods and those that won't.

We are paying these girls to fuck! Belay that! I don't know what the rest of you mother fuckers are doing (LOL). I am paying MY girls to fuck! If they are not fucking me then I am not paying them. And in case you think I only take a harsh attitude with women. I take the same attitude with civi women in my life also. I tell them that they can be absolutely certain that if they are not fucking me then someone else is. I am not a Priest. Celibacy is not a option until I can no longer get it up!

**FredMoore** · 04-05-13 11:35

My Current Former Most Recent ATF HCB (CFMRHCB) has come back and is wanting a weekly gig. So I will pencil her in for next week.

My Sexting fail of last month has started writing again and is talking like she wants to meet. Her multiple R Rated pics were un*be*

Lievably hot!

The only downside here is a lack of funds to pursue this many SBs, so I will have to figure out how to generate more secret funds.

**FredMoore** · 04-05-13 11:29

Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.

I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.

I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.