"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Revvo]

First a hearty hello and thanks to the Tig man. Long time no hear. Don't forget about us amatures out here.

So the week has finished off with a bang in more than one way. Lets update shall we.

REVVOATF1; This is just getting better. No drama, no bullshit, no lying that I have been able to detect. And believe me I have checked. No excuses. Oh and she is on retainer and no crap about that either, she is always available if she can get away. (thanks Sub on advice on trusting my instincts they appear to be right on this one) And this is a baby that has real financial problems, a 4 yo child, and not a lot of support resources where she lives. I am really impressed. I treat her right. And she does me. She is not clingy. And does not want that from a man. Live your own life and meet in the middle.

So meet we did and had a nice dinner and then up to the FC. I give her instructions occasionally throughout the week. This does several things it engenders compliance, it AMPs up both our sexual desire for when we meet, and maintains her submissive position. If you have not tried this you should. It works great. The sex was awesome. Two nuts and we were both spent. I spanked her ass so hard it was beet red. Long after we were done. She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. I will just have to go back and finish the job. LOL. This is a beautiful woman that is highly sexual and ready to please. I sometimes cannot believe my luck.

REVVOSB1; Yes this was almost too easy. It's so funny how hard you work for something sometimes and all you get are bruises and cuts, and frustration. Then a beautiful little angel literally falls into your lap. She was everything I hoped she would be and more. Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. Get this. I am about 4 minutes late. She gets there early and gets us a table, and orders me a drink. She is in a cute little business suit waiting for me! Do you understand what this is like? A POT waiting for you. This may be a first in SD / SB history! Usually I am just hoping some miserable flaky POT just shows up, forget being on time. This one is trying from square one to please. Once again no bullshit, no complaining, no trying to hustle, no working some angle. Just a pleasant lunch where we talk about everything and she is trying to understand how to please me. I feel like I am writing one of those bullshit penthouse forum letters. But this is the real thing.

So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can. Perfect little size 00 body, weighs 100lbs soaking wet. And a pair shaped ass that brought a tear to my eye. Two nuts and I am out of condoms. And energy. I could possibly go for a third nut. But the problem isn't my dick its my stamina. These babies want to be fucked really hard, and I can only keep up that pace for so long. I am going to have to up my workouts. And get them to blow me more before slip my cock in their pussy.

Well that is it for now. My little asian fortune cookie is off to NY for work for a while. And my ATF started her period right after I fucked her. So I will see her late next week sometime. Man I feel so lucky. Beats the shit out of sitting home watching TV! But it's not luck it is a lot of work and risk to get here. And no guarantee it will last. My friend who I really trust is the only one who know about this and he says there is a good chance I will get caught.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[SubCmdr]

Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.

[John G Smith]

It's very interesting that this discussion came up. Just the other night I actually got the PMS info from my Innocence SB, so I can track her cycle. There's a bunch of free apps and websites that will track cycles for you. I use a web-based tracker and pretty much any SB I begin to see on a regular basis, I put her info in the PMS tracker. Sometimes I'm coy about asking when her last cycle began, other times (like with my current SB) I'm pretty direct.

Some guys are fine with having bloody intercourse, but not me. I'm not big on blood to begin with, and menstrual blood can have a strong odor and can be hard to clean. Also some studies suggest there's an increase risk in picking up STDs (not just HIV) having period sex even with a condom. So I prefer to avoid intercourse altogether during that time.

So overall I try to schedule my time around her period. But if it sneaks up on her then yeah she should be willing to take care of business in other ways. She still has a mouth, hands, and tits.

FredMoore. If you like this girl and you don't consider her a "tool", then I wouldn't bother trying to get a "free" visit to make up for this. It'll probably just drag on the issue and create more animosity. But I do recommend giving a STRONG lecture to her about how she did not get you off by other means. She needs to understand that regardless your needs to be met especially if you're giving her sugar. Her duty is to satisfy you. In fact, she should want to satisfy you. Leaving you with blue balls is not an option even if she's on the rag.

But Fred, I would just tred carefully. If everything else is going good, you don't want to blow-up the arrangement over this one issue. Just make sure she now knows what time it is so it doesn't happen in the future.

EDIT: Haha, looks like I pretty much said the same thing as BigTigger.

[BigTigger]

Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you.

Attention! Commander on deck!

Agreed!

Looking at this from the "I care about her" perspective. She should also care about you. I've had women to almost get mad if during regular sex I didn't have an orgasm. There seems to be an imbalance of "care" in this relationship. She should also care about you enough to want you always sexually satisfied. There was no need for her to make it up later, she needed to get with the program right then. I'm a nice guy and I understand not wanting to be too forward. But there are times were it's 100% in your right in any relationship to be selfish and take action (she may complain at first, but she'll get with it, if not, you may need to move on anyway). Oral, Anal, Hand, or Breasts with oil. I've even had some with very nice butts, slap some oil in the cheeks and let me go to town. When she cares about your satisfaction, then there is no reason you should not leave completely drained!

These relationships are supposed to be "Mutually Beneficial", choose your tactic wisely, but set a standard. Remember often times people will do (in this case "not do") what you let them get away with.

BigTigg

[F Scott]

Re the period thing. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.

Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!

Can't comment on what Tools might do - that's just not how I roll - but to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!

Keep up the good work, my brothers!

Scott

[Literal2]

A great bunch of posts yesterday and today. Very useful.

Re the period thing. I agree she should let you know in advance. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.

[SubCmdr]

Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you. It would be a sad world if only the pussy was available for us to get off.

Now I have had women start their periods in all sorts of situations and relationships. There are only two types of women: those who will get you off during their periods and those that won't.

We are paying these girls to fuck! Belay that! I don't know what the rest of you mother fuckers are doing (LOL). I am paying MY girls to fuck! If they are not fucking me then I am not paying them. And in case you think I only take a harsh attitude with women. I take the same attitude with civi women in my life also. I tell them that they can be absolutely certain that if they are not fucking me then someone else is. I am not a Priest. Celibacy is not a option until I can no longer get it up!

[FredMoore]

My Current Former Most Recent ATF HCB (CFMRHCB) has come back and is wanting a weekly gig. So I will pencil her in for next week.

My Sexting fail of last month has started writing again and is talking like she wants to meet. Her multiple R Rated pics were un*be*

Lievably hot!

The only downside here is a lack of funds to pursue this many SBs, so I will have to figure out how to generate more secret funds.

[FredMoore]

Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.

I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.

I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.

[BigTigger]

#MsSuccessful: I have seen her twice in 4 weeks. After this last time (Wed) , she "woke up" and realized that times were getting infrequent. She is ready to get at it twice a week now.

#MsLatinaNympho: Met her via AM. We exchanged texts, asked very few questions. Met the same day we text for the first time. She is thick with a nice big booty. Not the fat type, the phat type. 100% Latina, with heavy accent. On the way to the lunch meet-and-greet (Thurs) she asked if lunch was all we were going to do. I said I don't promise anything until after we meet. We had lunch and she gave me that look and asked me to get a room. By this time, I was ready. So after lunch, we left and went straight to a hotel. The sex was very good, she even said a number of things in Spanish."who the hell is Papi. LOL". Since this was another AM find. I paid for lunch and hotel. Nothing else. She asked me later when can she get some more. She wants as much as I can give. Next date is planned for Sunday.

#MsOxyMoron: We are meeting tomorrow (Fri). We have an agreement $$$$ per month. Once a week for 2 to 4 hours each visit. She did not get the new apartment yet. After a few months of this, we'll see if the consistent sugar moves her along faster.

#Young-and-Beautiful: I've not had a chance to see her again. She is in Nando 1 category. So I'm keeping my distance.

#MsMature Nurse: Met on AM, first date was dinner and hotel. The sex was good, I've just been to spoiled by these young hard bodies. She had nice breasts and was pretty good in bed. I expect to see her once a month. I paid for room and gas.

#MsHotBody from CL: We have met twice. The second meeting was "ok". It was laid back. I got some kisses and great flirtatious feels and body rubbing. But alas, it was all in public. Since we have kept our clothes on, the sugar has been very limited. She's been a little flaky lately and I'm not about to invest in Arizona Waterfront Property.

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3 More POTs from AM. 1 in South NJ. 1 in Delaware and 1 in Baltimore. All are Caucasian, middle-aged. 5'6-5'8 with very well proportioned bodys. One had some great boobs, her private pic showed one all out for me to see....

I'll try not to stay away for so long.

BigTigg

[BigTigger]

I cannot believe how fast time flies.

I was trying to read back and comment on a few things, but man I was over 15 pages back. Too too much. So I'll hit on a few things.

Revvo: Welcome back!

#Feelings: Yes they can get kinda intense, but it's always good to never lose sight of what you are really there for and live with limitations and boundaries.

#BareBack: Most I've been with were not ok with it. However I must admit to having a few like a good bareback ride. Lately I've run across more that will. It spans all ages. I'm a big fan of STD tests. It really depends on how tight my pseudo is.

#Money: Money and quality do not go hand in hand. I do feel that sometimes it's may be worth the investment to give a little beforehand. But you got to have a good feel and know when to cut your losses.

#Pics: I only ask for a full body one and maybe one or two face pics. From there I move on. I never send pics of the TiggaStick until after they have done the TiggaBounce. My unfortunate experience has been that many that send the erotic photos do not end up making it to the FC.

#Identification: If she asks for it, I'm out. I don't use fake IDs. I pay cash or have my own GreenDot. I use Hotwire. I have a batphone and for the most part keep my info to myself.

[BigTigger]

Mr. Strict: I-95 corridor, NOVA to Richmond, west to C'ville.

Fred Moore: Washington, DC with Charlotte, NC to Bethesda, MD and points in betweem.

BigTigg: VA, MD, DC, PA, DE (Travel SBs from: Cali, Atlanta, Buffalo, Alabama)

CantWinLosin: Richmond VA.

AliasSM: Baltimore and North.

Hernando:Richmond, Va to Washington, DC.

DantaKarma: Northern VA, DC, Southern MD.

HighCotton: Richmond VA.

HappyHunter44: Charlottesville, VA

GuyWoodson: Centreville VA.

SubCmdr. DC, MD, VA Cali (San Diego & Oceanside) and Las Vegas.

HollywoodGuy: Hollywood CA.

Wnde8: Los Angeles CA.

Bondo500: Central Ohio

TreasureHunter: Los Angeles, CA.

LoriTruck: NC, SC, GA.

Magic Rat: NC, SC.

Kyowa: far-western-Kentucky.

KY Man629: Central Kentucky to Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana.

ATLDrummer: Atlanta.

Joesouncool:GA / TN.

Donwhite: Nashville TN.

PatsFan1: So. NH and No. Mass.

F. Scott: Chicago and surrounding suburbs, OTR (Asheville, NC, and New Orleans)

Golfcart: Indiana.

West Central: Wabash Valley IN / IL, TX, MA, Oz.

Smokarz_XO: CT.

FotoGuy1970: Michigan

[Dog Rice]

I had one SB sent me a professional taken erotic photos. Turned out she was in the adult business. After agreed with $$, she basically just BJ. When I asked for more, she said,"that would need more than $$". Of course, no repeat.

(That was among my first SBs, now got trained by Cmdr. Chance of this happening is diminished)

Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.

Thanks

[Dsprdo]

So, I a couple of months ago I started looking into the SB thing, read this forum and posted that I was going to take the plunge. Thought it was time for an update. I travel a lot for work and have been far from home for work for the last 3 months. I'll be heading home in a few more weeks for the summer, so I decided on a two-pronged attack. My first strategy was aimed at the area I am working in. I wanted to try and secure a short term SB here, to keep me warm through the cold winter before I return to the desert. I sent out 10-12 emails, trying to emulate F Scott's approach to out of town SB's. I felt a little time pressure, so perhaps I was too direct, as I got no response from most. Then, the situation got brighter. In a previous post I remarked about a response I had gotten from a woman who was kind of appalled to find herself on a SB site, supposedly by accident. I thought my chances were nil, but I persevered. We emailed, then texted, and finally agreed to meet in the middle (she was two hours away) for dinner drinks. At the last minute, she asked if I could drive all the way to her. I responded that I would be happy to, but it would have to bean early night, as I had to get back and be at work early. She texted back that as long as I wasn't a serial killer, I could crash at her place if needed. Victory! We met at the restaurant and she exceeded my expectations. After dinner she asked if I had to get back or if I would like to stop at her place for a drink. I felt it would be un-chivalrous of me to decline, so off to her place we went. I will remember the night that followed for a long time. After her earlier comments about the SB / SD thing I did not offer sugar, and she never mentioned it. We continued to talk and text for a couple of weeks, and met in the middle for dinner once. Most of our conversation actually revolved around the potential for a more conventional relationship, but we never could make our schedules work out. Finally, having failed to close the deal again, it was time to go. Great memory, CPO $0 (in Sub Cmdr terms) , but a one hit wonder.

Being a man who likes to have a long term plan, I also started sewing seeds back in PHX for my return home. I will be back there in few weeks, and it looks promising. I have POT 1, AA hardbody that I have been conversing with the longest, I think is 80% in the bag. POT 2: she's a 19 yo easy 9. 0. She's the one I want the most, says she's new to this but I fear may have GPS. But her pictures speak to me. I will put the most effort. And $. Into this as long as I think she's viable. POT 3 is a 22 YO single mom. Also new, seems timid. Very cute, wants to go slow, which I'm fine with (since I'm not even there yet) as long as go slow is not code for "pay me not to F*K you". I have 2-3 others that are new responses to emails. I will report again after I am home and working hard on these opportunities!

The possibilities are amazing, wish I had started on this much sooner.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have a couple of thoughts on this one.

I have had many girls send me erotic photos some down right X rated. BDSM photos etc. I love them of course but do not think for a minute because they have sent you these photos you are going to get the pussy. Look at it like another step towards the pussy. In fact it can be a good tool to get them to comply with you. And that does help with a trip to the FC. But surely no guarantee.

Another thought. It has been my experience and noticed many on the forum who gone through elaborate sexually charged text and email exchanges with POTs on here just to be frustrated or rejected. Lots of naughty pictures and explicit texting can actually be overdone and lead to rejection by the POT. For some reason it will give her cold feet or satisfy what she needs without having to go through with the act.

Texting should be to briefly get to know each other and to set the date. Telling her to send you photos should be just to get her to get used to complying with you. This will lead to Bette sucess. Let me know how this works for you.

By the way not seeing a lot of reports out there. Keep me coming guys.

Be careful out there,

Revvo

Due to the large demand from most guys asking girls for pics. I NEVER ask for them, as long as I see one face pic and one full body pic. It's sort of a reverse psychology thing. Makes me look less demanding upfront. All I know is it works for me