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[HollywoodGuy]

LOL a spirited economics debate sub LOL in regards to Chicago vs LA. When I pay 250-500 in LA. I get away better looking girl or a girl of higher social quality than 250-500 gets me in Chicago. I conceded that the California and Florida markets were superior.

Hands down, los angeles has the largest number of good looking women in the world that are looking for a hand up.

[Rob Taylor]

LOL a spirited economics debate sub LOL in regards to Chicago vs LA. When I pay 250-500 in LA. I get away better looking girl or a girl of higher social quality than 250-500 gets me in Chicago. I conceded that the California and Florida markets were superior.

Markets where my money goes further. In regards to the phone arguement smartphones have productvity apps that make my life easier and allow me to get things done or enjoy luxurys that, I only could from my computer a few years ago. There are high end smart phones (Galaxy S4, Iphone 5s) that have the best productivity apps hardware (faster processor) superior software integration.

With faster updates and support. Then you have prepaid android phones with less stellar software and hardware, but your right.

If all you trying to do is text and call and maybe just use apps every once in awhile that is find. There are value phones like the nexus 4 that give you close to comparable functionality of the high end at a discount but they are still more expensive than low end walmart android.

As it applies to girls, I assign value on market research, not blind faith I want a hott normal non flaky chick who is employed.

Educated and good in the sack (anything less and I might as well go back to complete civy dating with a quarterly high end escort.

Hrown in the mix). In my research when I would first offer girls to pay their cell phone bill for a month or two 75-200 bucks on a constant basis the girls that would respond to that were only average to below average in looks and had a high propesity exhibitnando traits. The hott chicks that I wanted kept refusing my offers, so now I do my cell phone payment opening bid, more than likely, the girls I want refuse and I up the price. I find value sometime, thats better than the 250-500 that I usaully score in. I aslo cross reference the quality of my girls vs what other guys say they get on the SB, non pro and escort market. I compare the girls picture to the cheap girls on backpage and the expensive girls on eros or high end agency sites. I determine what she would go for on those markets per hour and make my decision in addition to adding in her security risk. I also compare her to my civy dates and compare cost advantage.

I don't think these girls love me like some of the guys in Richmond, but the sugar is cross between the escort and casual civy dating market. Unlike escorts alot of SB's will refuse certain advances for various reasons. Tom Bradys wife would not marry him if he wasnt a rich football player, but she probably would not marry ray lewis or donald trump either, so there are different factors at work than just economics like the escort market.

[Dirty Old Guy]

Cmdr,

I agree with you. I have no idea how to use a smart phone and don't want to know. My phone allows me to talk only and that's all I want. Pussy is the same way. To some guys a. 2 piece of ass off a SW is just as exciting as a $$$$$ piece from an escort is to other guys. That's why we all keep chasing after it. It's all the same, and different too, at the same time.

Carry on,

Dirty

There is room for all in the market place. And there is plenty of pussy for us all. But the concept that $300 to $500 pussy is 'better' than value priced pussy of $100 is flawed. A cell phone these days serves only four functions, voice, data, GPS and hotspot. Both an Android phone and an Apple phone serve those purposes equally well (as shown by the sales figures). You buy an Apple phone because it says something about you. There is no real functional or quality difference.

The same holds true in the pussy market despite Mr. Taylor's efforts to assert otherwise.

Attention! Commander on deck!

[HollywoodGuy]

Look for girls that think with their pussy and not with your wallet. The girls I know will take a big hard dick and some serious bedroom skills over some benji's any day of the week. Let some other guy pick up that slack, or date girls with a job or parental support.

Typical red flag statement "baby, I been thinking blah blah blah"

When they say that its always about you spending some money.

[HollywoodGuy]

Mr. Taylor has proved my point! His post shows that even though the market in Southern California does not require it. He thinks he is getting a 'better' product at $300 to $500. Even though the market does not require anything close to it.

The idea he presents is that his women are hotter (they be hos) , younger (they be hos) , more educated (they be hos) , have jobs (they be hos) more well adjusted (they be hos) , with no criminal background (they be hos) off of SA (they be hos). That he has higher standards (for his hos). And yet he provides no proof that these women are of higher quality in terms of photos or profiles from SA. Nor does he have any proof that anyone else here in Southern California are associating with women of lesser quality or appearance. Yet he is buying pussy from them and they are selling pussy. That makes them common garden tools. Expensive ones, yes, but are still garden tools. This is the same flawed reasoning that exists in the Richmond forum. That some how this is not a market place. That Sugar Babies are special and by paying a lot of money they are getting something other than a garden tool.

A value investor buys a $1 for 50 cents. And you wait until others recognize that your investment is worth a $1 and you sell it to them at a later time. Mr. Taylor provides the classic reasoning of the growth investor. Buy high and wait for the company to get bigger and sell to the next sucker before the fall off in sales.

There is room for all in the market place. And there is plenty of pussy for us all. But the concept that $300 to $500 pussy is 'better' than value priced pussy of $100 is flawed. A cell phone these days serves only four functions, voice, data, GPS and hotspot. Both an Android phone and an Apple phone serve those purposes equally well (as shown by the sales figures). You buy an Apple phone because it says something about you. There is no real functional or quality difference.

The same holds true in the pussy market despite Mr. Taylor's efforts to assert otherwise.

Attention! Commander on deck!

Just my personal experience. I have had way better sex with the normal priced girls than the gps girls. I am not totally sure why this is, but now I am just thinking out loud.

1. You start over paying anyone, a girl a wife an employee, they get a sense of entitlement and then their performance falls off everytime.

2. Anyone looking at only the money doesn't really care about or have a need for anything else, (like awesome sex)

3. GPS girls have no real sense of adventure or thrill, they are basically lazy in and out of the bedroom. They are so into themselves they can't ever be into you.

4. They were brought up spoiled rotten. Whenever I see that phrase in a girls profile I move on. Would you want to eat a piece of fruit that is spoiled rotten?

5. I fell in love once with a GPS girl whose prior SD was a free spending idiot and got her anything she wanted and plenty of stuff she didn't just to show off. This girl was a 20 year old 10/10 white girl. And a 3 in the sack. I improved her to about a 5 and that was it.

6. I am literally swamped with $ girls in my local area. I can find a minimum of 1 new one a week while working a full time job and balancing 4 other regulars. Lucky for me I prefer AA spinners to busty blond white girls. Although one is asian.

7. My age is definitely an advantage (having grey hair and being close to 60 makes you an instant sex symbol to many girls) , so for you younger guys out there maybe you have to pay more. I work in marketing and for some people there is a perception that if something costs more it must be better. One example. One day a man comes into our jewelry store with his gps white trash ho (used to be in that business). He announces loudly so everyone can hear "I want the most expensive watch you have." We took a 40k rolex, ripped off the tag and retagged it to 80k. He bought it for cash right on the spot. Don't be that guy.

[SubCmdr]

The psychological component to sex is 10 X greater than the physical component. As guys we naturally assume that we're all about physical stimulation, but if that were actually the case then a fleshlight and a porno movie would be much better than banging a 6/10 girl.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing the intangibles that make sex so much better: the pursuit, the build up, the feelings of dominating, the experience of total, unrestricted immersion in the act, etc. All that stuff counts and makes for a much better experience.

That is fine. A wonderful concept to bring into your civi relationships with your wife, SO or girlfriend. But this is P4P. We can not afford panty boy emotionally involved attitudes up in here. We are discussing a market transaction. One in which I at least am trying to apply reason, logic and critical thinking. These can easily become very emotional situations. Lose focus on the bottom line. Lose focus on what our objectives are and we loose our wallets and a lot more.

You cannot afford to have your P4P activities reveled to the great society around you. There are better attitudes towards gay marriage than P4P at this time. So, until this becomes an accepted type of relationship in our greater society my suggestion is to keep your heart in check and a firm grip on your wallet.

[SubCmdr]

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[Rob Taylor]

HG,

$100 a day or session is a perfectly reasonable amount. My point is simply this, just because a particular Sugar Daddy is willing to pay a certain amount does not make it a good value. This is a pussy market. And just because someone is willing to pay $500 for pussy does not make it intrinsically worth more. No one would go into a store and pay $200 for a item that is priced at $100. My thoughts are that even if I was a 1%er. Pussy would still only be worth $100 a session to me. The absolute value of $1 does not change because you have a million of them. $1 buys us all the same amount of goods in the market place.

What I take from the discussion is that one does themselves a disservice by not paying attention to the value portion of these transactions. Mr. Rob provides a very reasoned explanation of his particular market and the reasons why he pays $300 to $500 for pussy. The Southern California market is different. And I am soon going to explore the Las Vegas market.

One also has to factor in the motivation of the garden tool. I have three expense only garden tools. They require no sugar. I just have to pay for everything and get them gifts. I have three booty call garden tools. They are $100 a session. They don't watch the clock. I bust twice and they are off. We both prefer it that way.

Attention! Commander on deck!

My CPO still comes out pretty good I'm young and so I recover quick and get multiple pops. Even in the California market, I shell about 250-500 for an 8-10 (non blk girl). I pay the premium to avoid Nando's and UTR. I fine girls who are verifiable, normal college educated a job no criminal history. Also I get most my girls off SA, because SA girls seem more normal then sd4me. The allowance publishing on SA causes GPS. You also have those sugar babys on the blogs, who are datig 1% guys and they ifluence others. Example I have a ddate with a latin MILF former fitness model, college educated, low security risk. This is what I pay that premium for. I could get a girl off sd4me for 150, but theres a chance she could be complete crazy nando. I need that piece of mind. Also, I think because I am on the younger end of sugar daddys. I rate girls a little harsher, because I associate with young woman in night clubs all the time. So a 7. 5 to some of you guys is a 5 or lower to me. I'm a lot more picky when it comes to looks is another reason, I pay a premium. But no worries it just like smart phones, some people want cheaper androids and other wants a premium for apple.

[SubCmdr]

And then you have the GPS girls. Last night I met with a smoking hot 23 year old AA spinner. Stone cold 9. Well put together. Well spoken. But I could tell from the initial greeting we were not going to hit it off. She is a cold fish. Claimed she was shy. Would not talk sugar or arrangement at the meeting. Afterwards she texts me saying she wants $3000 a month. I ask her how many meeting a month. She asks me what is fair. I counter with 1K 6 to 8 meetings a month. She says no way. I make 1K a week in my regular job.

30 minutes round trip travel time. 50 minute date. $20 drinks and appetizers. Complete waste of time. But the food and drinks were good (Happy Hour at P. F. Changs).

[SubCmdr]

For some of us older fellas that CPO just isn't going to work. 1 pop and I am pooped till the next session. Actually once a day (and definitely twice a day) is plenty although the biorythmic nature of things can vary that. Also being the emotionally needy creature that I am, I crave hours of verbal and physical adulation, so that is an important part of the deal for me. And a few others I"m sure. My girls need to have stamina as I may take a while to get mine. Usually I wait till they say uncle. Then it's my turn.

But back to the original thread. I have to stand on the $ per day or less pay scale to balance my budget.

HG,

$100 a day or session is a perfectly reasonable amount. My point is simply this, just because a particular Sugar Daddy is willing to pay a certain amount does not make it a good value. This is a pussy market. And just because someone is willing to pay $500 for pussy does not make it intrinsically worth more. No one would go into a store and pay $200 for a item that is priced at $100. My thoughts are that even if I was a 1%er. Pussy would still only be worth $100 a session to me. The absolute value of $1 does not change because you have a million of them. $1 buys us all the same amount of goods in the market place.

What I take from the discussion is that one does themselves a disservice by not paying attention to the value portion of these transactions. Mr. Rob provides a very reasoned explanation of his particular market and the reasons why he pays $300 to $500 for pussy. The Southern California market is different. And I am soon going to explore the Las Vegas market.

One also has to factor in the motivation of the girl. I have three expense only girls. They require no sugar. I just have to pay for everything and get them gifts. I have three booty call girls. They are $100 a session. They don't watch the clock. I bust twice and they are off. We both prefer it that way.

[Wnde8]

The psychological component to sex is 10 X greater than the physical component. As guys we naturally assume that we're all about physical stimulation, but if that were actually the case then a fleshlight and a porno movie would be much better than banging a 6/10 girl.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing the intangibles that make sex so much better: the pursuit, the build up, the feelings of dominating, the experience of total, unrestricted immersion in the act, etc. All that stuff counts and makes for a much better experience.

[HollywoodGuy]

I suppose that per hour rates matter if you don't value your time. I pay a garden tool to fuck. You can get any civi to hang out with you. And I get no pleasure from strict eye candy. So, my preference is to stick with Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) to measure the value of my garden tools.

$300 to $500 a meeting means that you would need to bust 3. 5 times a session in order to maintain a $100 / CPO. Now you have to have a pretty good recycle rate or doing a overnight in order to be busting that many times a session.

So, I can't really justify amounts at that level. And I have paid $500 for a overnight. And I have paid $100 for a overnight. And I have not found a qualitative difference in the quality of the pussy received.

Now, I would rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once. Because when she spreads her legs qualitatively the pussy is no different. Besides head is my desire. And that is the only place I've ever been able to differentiate a difference in skills levels between women.

I have found HollywoodGuy's numbers to be dead on. Although I tend to move up the age range because that is my personal preference. Just have not been able to relate to the 18 to 24 set.

Attention! Commander on deck!

For some of us older fellas that CPO just isn't going to work. 1 pop and I am pooped till the next session. Actually once a day (and definitely twice a day) is plenty although the biorythmic nature of things can vary that. Also being the emotionally needy creature that I am, I crave hours of verbal and physical adulation, so that is an important part of the deal for me. And a few others I"m sure. My girls need to have stamina as I may take a while to get mine. Usually I wait till they say uncle. Then it's my turn.

But back to the original thread. I have to stand on the $ per day or less pay scale to balance my budget.

[SubCmdr]

I suppose that per hour rates matter if you don't value your time. I pay a girl to fuck. You can get any civi to hang out with you. And I get no pleasure from strict eye candy. So, my preference is to stick with Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) to measure the value of my girls.

$300 to $500 a meeting means that you would need to bust 3. 5 times a session in order to maintain a $100 / CPO. Now you have to have a pretty good recycle rate or doing a overnight in order to be busting that many times a session.

So, I can't really justify amounts at that level. And I have paid $500 for a overnight. And I have paid $100 for a overnight. And I have not found a qualitative difference in the quality of the pussy received.

Now, I would rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once. Because when she spreads her legs qualitatively the pussy is no different. Besides head is my desire. And that is the only place I've ever been able to differentiate a difference in skills levels between women.

I have found HollywoodGuy's numbers to be dead on. Although I tend to move up the age range because that is my personal preference. Just have not been able to relate to the 18 to 24 set.

[AsianGuyInla]

Hahaha! Love the disclaimer!

These prices are for SB's. So these are not clock watching BP, HX, and RB girls (except on their slow days). An average date should be about 3 to 5 hours but can be up to 24 hours. Ages 18 to 25 or so and exclude all GPS girls*

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks. (from $100 to $200)

White 7. 5. ($100 to $250)

Asian 7. 5. ($200 to $300)

Hispanic 7. 5 ($100 to $200)

I only date in the 18 to 25 range. For white and asian girls ages 26 to even 40 they seem to want more as they have experienced more and are used to better. For black and hispanic girls the rates may actually go down as the realities of life have set in. For all women over 40 it goes back down as they get more concerned with being with the right guy. Me personally I have to keep it at about $ a date. So at 20 dates a month = 2k. Currently every regular I have is employed or gets parental support or both. Except for my live in "the playa".

*These estimates are provided to help you with general information regarding rates to date SB girls only. The results returned by this estimate should only be used as one of many factors in evaluating your options. Rates are for socal only and may vary from state to state. The menu should include all normal activities in and out of the bedroom.

Actual costs to rent or finance a Sugar Baby may vary for many reasons. Other Mongers may use different information to determine eligibility and your individual results may vary from the results shown by this estimate.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ya I sure hope those quoted figures are wrong.

HollywoodGuy, is there a major price difference when it comes to race? If so what prices are we looking at in the LA area (non-Westside) for:

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks.

White 7. 5.

Asian 7. 5.

Hispanic 7. 5

These prices are for SB's. So these are not clock watching BP, HX, and RB girls (except on their slow days). An average date should be about 3 to 5 hours but can be up to 24 hours. Ages 18 to 25 or so and exclude all GPS girls.***

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks. (from $100 to $200)

White 7. 5. ($100 to $250)

Asian 7. 5. ($200 to $300)

Hispanic 7. 5 ($100 to $200)

I only date in the 18 to 25 range. For white and asian girls ages 26 to even 40 they seem to want more as they have experienced more and are used to better. For black and hispanic girls the rates may actually go down as the realities of life have set in. For all women over 40 it goes back down as they get more concerned with being with the right guy. Me personally I have to keep it at about $ a date. So at 20 dates a month = 2k. Currently every regular I have is employed or gets parental support or both. Except for my live in "the playa".

***These estimates are provided to help you with general information regarding rates to date SB girls only. The results returned by this estimate should only be used as one of many factors in evaluating your options. Rates are for socal only and may vary from state to state. The menu should include all normal activities in and out of the bedroom.

Actual costs to rent or finance a Sugar Baby may vary for many reasons. Other Mongers may use different information to determine eligibility and your individual results may vary from the results shown by this estimate.