"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Revvo** · 04-02-13 11:20

Just to clarify on the POT that wants to EXCHANGE ID's not me give her mine. She wants to exchange because she has had a couple of incidents where she has been forced to do things she did not want to. I tend to believe her on this because of her attitude and demeanor, as well as there are some really bad people on these sites.

I do not intend to give her my ID. That is why I asked. I was looking for ideas on how to have my sugar baby and eat her too. Without having to show my ID. Pardon the horribly mixed metaphor. I know fake ID's are illegal. But I thought if I am showing just her it would not be a problem. Anyone know where I can get one? I still intend to meet her at least once. She if very hot and is a model. I have seen her portfolio on Model Mayhem because she has her full name on her email I'd. Another sign that she is not a scammer. The first M&G is tonight. And she does not appear to be a scammer. No bullshitting, no talk of money.

However this leads to my second topic. She is into BDSM. She told me she is a subby and her last DOM was with her for 13 months. But he collard another girl. (whatever that means). She seems quite niaeve and forthright so far. But I am being very careful believe me. I am one on here who has been burned very badly.

So my last question goes back to Subcommanders excellent post on dominance and spanking. With this POT and another MILF Redhead POT with big beautiful titties. I have two POTS that are into Dominance. So I wanted to dig a little deeper into the whole submission thing. First I believe that fundamentally most women prefer to be submissive when getting fucked. It is just a question of how honest they are with it. So when spanking a submissive what is a good position to put them in? Other than doggy style.

Should you make them just bend over a table and pull their pants down? Is it a good warmup before sex? How about outside of sex. How about giving them instructions on things to do? Such as tell them to wear a certain pair of panties, or bring something to your date? Have you ever spanked the pussy? Is this good? If so any tips?

Finally about asking questions to your girl. I always was of the belief not to ask things during sex that that is a big no no and degrades your dominance and deflates her arrousal. Is this the case do you discuss before hand? Or am I wrong?

Be careful out there,

Revvo

**Kyowa** · 04-02-13 10:57

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Don't get involved with fake I. D. It's illegal.

I'm not a lawyer but I do have a baccalaureate in Criminal Justice, and Legal Studies, and I believe that as long as you don't use a false identification-document for any legal official or public transaction, for example identifying yourself with it when asked for your identification by a cop or to buy a gun or open a bank-account, you would not be putting yourself in jeopardy of arrest or prosecution simply for using it to conceal your true identity from this girl under these circumstances. By the way I'm not a cop or any type of Law Enforcement Agent or Law Enforcement Officer either, I work in industrial safety and security for a chemical-manufacturing industry.

Naturally if you want to consider this option, and I don't have any suggestions about how or where to get a good fake one, you should retain the services, so that his consultation is covered by lawyer-confidentiality laws, of a criminal-defense lawyer to advise you and / or verify that my belief is correct. Preferably one who specialises in organised-crime or prostitution defense-cases or, most preferably, both organised-crime AND prostitution cases.

**EuroInCincy** · 04-02-13 07:34

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.

Silly guy, 98 % of the females enjoy a spanking and bondage. Watch their eyes or the gentle 'yes' nod when you drop casually a comment like "nice spankable ass"

Now for research. See'mon we have this thing called google. Many articles how-to's. Just start slow.

Once you have done some work and want to go deeper. And get her to climax on command without touching (always fun in a bar or restaurant) read up on Pavlov.

Never give up Never surrender

**John G Smith** · 04-02-13 07:21

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?

I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.

Ideas guys,

Revvo

Like the others have said, if she insists on exchanging ids from the start, then just move on. Not worth the trouble or the risk.

That said, I do want to mention something about protecting your identity. Sometimes a good defense is a great offense. Especially in long-term SB arrangements, I always act with the assumption that the girl will find snippets of my real identity within two months. It might be because I got sloppy somewhere or she was more resourceful than I anticipated. Either way, I give myself 3-4 weeks to amass as much WMDs as possible on the SB. Not just her real identity, but where she works, where she goes to school, her parents, a couple of her friends, and etc. This way if she ever even entertains the idea of blackmail or stirring up trouble, I can threaten her with an overwhelming counter-attack that it will assure mutual destruction.

So far I haven't had to go to my WMD stockpile with any of my long-term SBs or even threaten it. But I still think it's absolutely necessary. Being in deep cover will only take you so far. I think deep cover is good for the first 6-8 weeks. It helps you avoid the fly-by-night psychos. But it's very likely portions of your deep cover will be penetrated by a long-term SB and you may not even be aware of it. That's why I just assume elements of my cover will be blown in a couple of months and I have a red button contingency plan in place. I recommend everyone who has a mid / long-term SB do the same. Be able to scramble your fighters and aim your nuke missile sites at her within a moment's notice.

**Kyowa** · 04-02-13 06:54

For those who are truly allergic to latex condoms there are 2 alternative types of condoms, although both are slightly more expensive than latex types. One is the NON-latex condoms manufactured from the sandwich-baggy-type plastic, which is urethane or ureathane I believe. An added bonus of the synthetic-plastic condom is that it is safe to use with petroleum-based lubes like baby-oil, mineral-oil, most body-lotions like Vaseline and generic body-lotion products, and petroleum-jelly. Petroleum-based products will rapidly weaken latex-condoms to the point that they'll break, leak, or tear. In addition the synthetic-plastic-type condoms are supposed to be both stronger and more resistant to breaking, leaking, or tearing than latex and yet, because they're thinner yet stronger, they're claimed to transmit body-heat plus skin-sensations better than latex-condoms.

Tother is even more expensive. That type manufactured from all-natural food-animal-butchering by-products, such as the brand called 'Lambskin's' I think, which are, if memory serves, made from sterilised sections of meat-animal intestines. But both will work to avoid latex-allergy-reactions.

Originally Posted by West Central [View Original Post]

Ah, the old latex allergy. It's amazing how many strippers, babies, and just loose women in general are allergic to latex. I actually am allergic to latex, but I'll take an itchy rash that lasts a few hours over a lifetime of grief.

**Literal2** · 04-02-13 06:28

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Don't be afraid to check in with her. She wants to be controlled not hurt. Make sure what you are doing is having the desired effect by asking her. If she is one of those types that likes to fight, give her a safe word that she can use if something gets too intense for her. It makes you look like you know what you are doing and shows that you will be a loving dominant.

This is good stuff.

**SubCmdr** · 04-02-13 03:18

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.

Mr. FredMoore,

It appears that you have wandered into my area of interest and expertise. For I am the Sub Commander.

For a first date in the FC I would not go overboard. Have a casual discussion and get a feel for her exact interests and experience level in bondage and spanking arenas. If your plan is just to hit it once there is no need for a big production on the first time in.

For the spanking part you may either, have it be a separate event as part of foreplay or just incorporate it into your normal pounding. In doggy style simply grab that hair and slap that ass while going deep enough to bump her cervix. Hit that thing hard and leave it with a black eye. She is going to love to be fucked hard and create that warm tingling feeling on her ass with your slaps. Remember to slightly cup your hand when you slap to create that solid snap sound that creates the sound effect. It will enhance the experience and give input into another one of her senses.

For the bondage part choose sexual positions where you can hold her down and control her movements. In doggy style take her hands and hold them behind her back. Bury her face in the pillow. Face down ass up. In missionary, grab her arms and pin her down. In all positions changes do not let go of her. Always make sure you have a firm grip on some part of her body and direct her into the position you want. This is no time to be a panty boy and display love and kindness. This is real man stuff! Use your man presence to display controlled aggression, direction, and desire. Command and control stuff which is the natural state of male female relationships.

If you are new to this, over time you will develop your own style. Don't be afraid to check in with her. She wants to be controlled not hurt. Make sure what you are doing is having the desired effect by asking her. If she is one of those types that likes to fight, give her a safe word that she can use if something gets too intense for her. It makes you look like you know what you are doing and shows that you will be a loving dominant.

U 1 very lucky mother fucker! Have fun my man!

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-02-13 02:08

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.

Best move I ever made. Don't want anymore kids and my regulars don't have to take any BC or use any other BC devices that may or may not be foolproof

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-02-13 02:03

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

BB Weakness

I did engage in pretty risky behavior. I have noticed that 18-19 year-olds often default to BB sex. In the past year, I've had raw sex with 4 SBs. With all 4, they were between 18-19. Now with this girl Innocence SB, she wasn't trying to get a long-term support check out of me because she told me to pull out. The big thing was that I was putting myself at risk of STDs. But I'm one of those guys who just perform poorly with condoms. Not sure if it's an allergy or just reduced sensation, but my sex romp with Innocence wouldn't have gone nearly half as well if I had to wear a rubber.

I do agree it's the biggest weakpoint in my deep cover. It's very difficult to explain a STD if you pass it on to your SO. But I'm going to keep playing with the BB fire for now because it's something I enjoy too much and one of the reasons I go through the trouble of seeing SBs.

I have the same problem. This is why I don't do SW's or BP, etc. Only non pros (most of the time)

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-02-13 02:01

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.

My AA princess flaked out again. We got to the actual pickup point at a local college campus and she called and said she couldn't do it. She's scared to make the move even though she likes the idea of scoring a SD. I was nice and understanding so maybe she will come back. I told her to have a couple of shots before I come and she will be fine. She texted back asking again how much I would give her. I low balled her since I am oversubscribed anyway at this point. I am taking a page out of Hollywood's and Tigg's playbook. I have relegated her to a 30% chance of working out, and that's being optimistic.

If her body is a 9, go for it. Just stick to some spanking combined with some rough fingering or toys or dp with a toy or finger while she's in doggie pose for the first date.

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-02-13 01:58

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.

Just cum in her mouth

**HollywoodGuy** · 04-02-13 01:45

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.

So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?

I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.

Ideas guys,

Revvo

This girl is a waste of time. And time is money

**Blak Casper** · 04-02-13 01:08

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.

So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?

I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.

Ideas guys,

Revvo

My idea is to move on, I wouldn't give up the whole I'd, she's not giving anything up. 3 dates sounds like the rules girls use to use before they'd fuck a guy, never before the 3rd date.

There was some post some pages back where any I'd and identifying info was hidden in the trunk, you do not want to give it up.

Could be a scam of some kind, why take the chance.

She may not even be the one in the picture for all you know.

Move on.

**FredMoore** · 04-01-13 23:06

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.

So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?

I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.

Ideas guys,

Revvo

I'm with Lit on this one. Just say no. Demanding girls are not worth the risk of exposure and should be on a normal dating site. 3 dates are one thing and probably will end up being less if things go well. Be sure not to reward her asexual behavior by giving her sugar. You should save that treat as an incentive to enter the FC

My current ATF HCB I am seeing week # 4 this week and she crumbled the 1st M&G after a nice date. She is an all nighter and is a clear 10/10/10 I might explore the back door this trip.

Tomorrow night I am revisiting my EX. She seems to have a renewed interest in my Sugar charm. She is not loving but is a willing lay. I need to make her more expressive. Maybe we need to try a back door trip on this one too. Wish me luck!

**FredMoore** · 04-01-13 22:51

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.

I absolutely love pumping semen into my girl's vagina. Not only does it feel divine girls get that injection of prostaglandins and oxytocin that cause all kinds of biologic reactions in enhancing their orgasmic experience. And that wet spot I am pretty proud of. I am envious of young guys who have healthy enough prostates to pump out a cupful and shoot 5 feet. Alas, old age sucks!