"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dog Rice** · 03-31-13 18:08

Folks,

My perspective is similar to Cmdr especially on BBFS (w. Are. T STD). There was a bro earlier in this forum, JoesParty, who posted his experience. Good story to check out.

Be safe out there, folks.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

My argument against it goes as follows:

Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.

Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.

Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.

So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.

I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.

Attention! SubCmdr on deck!

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 18:05

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.

Prostate surgery is a completely different animal. The vas are just a conduit, whereas the prostate gland can make or break the whole process.

You're wise to avoid prostate surgery, absent malignancy of course, but in this day and age vasectomies carry no more risk than a tooth extraction, despite "delicacy" of the location. (:

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 18:00

My apologies to the group.

Mea culpa.

**FredMoore** · 03-31-13 16:54

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

My argument against it goes as follows:

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!

Commander, don't add me to your CHR list Your interesting and colorful wisdom is part of what makes this group entertaining. I yam what I yam and you is who you is. (or something like that)

One man's garden tool is another's true love

And one man's adorable wife is another's ***** EX wife.

Just sayin' Freddy.

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 16:48

Good discussion about vasectomies Sub.

**FredMoore** · 03-31-13 16:46

Birthcontrol

It surprises me how many of these young Babies do not use BC. Many do not want hormones like The "Pill" because of side effects. I strongly maneuver them towards these methods. One of the most fun is the ring (Nuvaring ). It is in the Vajayjay and you can tell its there, therefore "working", and sometimes you can feel it but it is not unpleasant. I would get a Vasectomy in a second if my SO didn't know it but no way I could sneak it by her.

Commander.

" If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you"

Presumably the payee is there primarily for the paycheck and may or may not Want to be there for your personality or sexual prowess. Our egos lead us to believe that in spite of our allowance given the Baby is overwhelmed by all things masculine that we have to offer. If the SB acts like she likes me then I am good with that. And I love "falling in love " if the SB is deemed a keeper.

Pot #?

That I had a M&G with last week was a Nando 1 and a little GPS for what she was offering, so I will pass on her.

Pot AA

HYCB came back but we both have scheduling conflicts, so she still seems interested in trying me out. She doesn't want sex on the first date, so we will M&G with no sex and no allowance and see how soon she would like to have a payday. I bet it will happen that night. Like everyone says, once they enter the FC then odds are she won't be able to resist.

Current ATF.

Is coming up on the 4th week and is acting increasingly loving. She is going to the OBGYN for birth control counseling so I am very jazzed about that. She is a clear cut 10 across the board and has the tightest and wettest little pussy ever. I can't wait to cum inside. She is very quick to orgasm and I have to ramp up my ejaculation speed to keep up. She gets very sensitive after cumming so it is less enjoyable for her when I last so long. RE: condoms, in my old age I have a hard time cumming with a sleeve on, so it definitely takes some of the fun out of it for me.

**SubCmdr** · 03-31-13 16:37

My argument against it goes as follows:

Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.

Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.

Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.

So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.

I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 15:07

Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 14:57

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Ah Mr. Zomby & Mr. Lit,

This is called beef. The war of words. No harm in it. And a lot safer than popping caps. U both very funny mother fuckers! Lmao.

I simply asked the question. If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you, if you involve emotion along with the paycheck? I have not heard anyone claim these P4P women (note the new polite language) as a wife or girl friend. So, I am lead to believe there is some qualitative difference in how we view them and treat them. No matter what you prefer to call them. If I am missing something here help me out.

Keep it coming gentleman. I can stand and take my grade!

Attention! SubCmdr on deck!

ATTENTION SubCmdr SIR!

Subaltern Literal2 requests permission to speak, SIR!

Over.

Lit2

**SubCmdr** · 03-31-13 14:44

Originally Posted by Zomby [View Original Post]

Well obviously, you don't have to. You could keep right on being who you are. Of course, some therapy might help with that need to denigrate those who don't share your attitude in order to make yourself feel better that you so often display.

No problem. Glad to be of help.

/z

Ah Mr. Zomby & Mr. Lit,

This is called beef. The war of words. No harm in it. And a lot safer than popping caps. U both very funny mother fuckers! Lmao.

I simply asked the question. If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you, if you involve emotion along with the paycheck? I have not heard anyone claim these P4P women (note the new polite language) as a wife or girl friend. So, I am lead to believe there is some qualitative difference in how we view them and treat them. No matter what you prefer to call them. If I am missing something here help me out.

Keep it coming gentleman. I can stand and take my grade!

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 13:57

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Is every mother fucker on this board polyamourous? You are in it for the pussy AND you love the ho's?

There are plenty of degrees of affection that don't cross that boundary. That's not to say that some here, and I don't necessarily exempt myself from that number, haven't, or won't, fall in love, but that's not the totality of what at least I was talking about.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

I could understand that attitude if you were not paying your garden tools to fuck! For me the money (no matter what the condition) takes the emotional factor right out of it.

I spent 30 years chasing strippers with almost the exact attitude you describe here. Maybe not quite as casual, since, as I've said, I have to at least like a girl before I can fuck her more than a couple of times, but still avoiding entanglements by using money.

But since falling into it with this girl, I've found that I like this kind of thing better than just fucking and leaving. Prior to this, a new "regular" girl every month or so was the norm. I think the longest "relationship" I'd had before this was four months, and that was because she was a fucking nympho who was just a complete turn-on. With all of them I was still being fucked and sucked by other girls at the same time; there was absolutely no question of exclusivity. It's been almost four years with this girl now, and it's been all but exclusive. There have been three other girls who've blown me, and no others with whom I've had vaginal intercourse. I don't feel the lack at all.

The emotion, even if it's not love, enhances the experience, and as far as I can tell, doesn't detract at all. Your mileage may, and obviously does, vary. Fortunately, there's room in this hobby for both of approaches, since it doesn't seem likely that we'd be fishing in the same pond, so to speak.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

It's just fucked up that now I am going to have to spend money on therapy in addition to the garden tools.

Well obviously, you don't have to. You could keep right on being who you are. Of course, some therapy might help with that need to denigrate those who don't share your attitude in order to make yourself feel better that you so often display.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Thank you Dr. Zomby!

No problem. Glad to be of help.

/z

**RichmondDude** · 03-31-13 13:32

Well I have my 2nd meeting with SB. Different from one last wk. I did pick up a few tips from some of you guys. 1 of which was stay clear of high maintence girls, stick with ones who have a job, and stay in the 6-8 range, those 9-10s want a arm and a leg, which I'm not going to give them, plus I been around the game for many yrs. What I really like is they hang around for hrs. One this wk end. Hung out for almost 3 hrs. Dinner. Fun. More fun, then watch tv, for about same I pay for 30 maybe 60 min, for escort

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 11:22

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Is every mother fucker on this board polyamourous? You are in it for the pussy AND you love the ho's?

I could understand that attitude if you were not paying your garden tools to fuck! For me the money (no matter what the condition) takes the emotional factor right out of it. Call it my own personal rationalization. It's just fucked up that now I am going to have to spend money on therapy in addition to the garden tools. Thank you Dr. Zomby!

Attention! Cmdr on deck!

As a general rule, for at least the last 2, 000 years, men have recognized that a principle of cordial relations among them is not to use pejorative words about another man's women. It's a matter of mutual respect. There's no issue with what a man calls his own women under most circumstances.

**SubCmdr** · 03-31-13 10:48

[Deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 10:12

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Zomby's post is a good description of an issue we all face: the extent to which emotions get involved in our sexual activity.

For what it's worth, I think for most normal guys, as in non-sociopaths, it's a matter of when, and not if, emotion becomes a factor. As I said, I have to at least like a girl if I'm going to consider having sex with her more than a few times.

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

I think emotions are to sex like flowers to spring. They pop up in all kinds of unexpected places.

And like flowers in spring, in my never any where near even the neighborhood of a humble opinion, make it even more enjoyable, even if I don't consider emotion to be a necessity.

/z