"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 04-01-13 21:52

I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.

**Revvo** · 04-01-13 20:29

So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.

So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?

I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.

Ideas guys,

Revvo

**John G Smith** · 04-01-13 05:06

I finally made it to the FC with a new SB! The first time in 2013. I did have a few car romps with my ex-Backseat SB but that ended about a month ago. I've pretty much had a dry spell with SBs since things ended with my ex-ATF around the new year. I've had a quite a few pots, but no new SBs. I spent over a month on the Collegiate SB that eventually went no-where. It's why I started seeing escorts again for a bit to help overcome the SB downtime.

Innocence SB

So after the fallout from the Collegiate SB about a week or so ago, I re-wrote my SD profile. It was pretty light to begin with so I decided to put a little more meat into to hopefully filter out the "arm-candy" girls. Right after I made the update, I got contacted by a thin 18-year AA girl. I'd say a 7/8 and she gets an extra point for just being so young and fresh. She's had a relationship with an older guy before but she was fairly new to the sugar daddy sites and such. She was eager to chat frequently, and quickly moved from site PMs, to email, and then txt. I couldn't keep with her at first. Partly because her profile pictures weren't the greatest, so I was still taking things pretty casual and taking my time responding. But when she emailed me, I was able to look up her FB info and the pictures there were much better. Also it allowed me to verify her age (by looking through her mom's FB) because she did look young and innocent.

So things started to pick up, and we had been texting throughout the day for about a good week. I had some scheduling conflicts with the other pots I was working on, so we talked about getting together. And she never brought up a dollar amount. She just she had a school expense but it was up to me if I wanted help with it. So we were set to meet this last Saturday. We planned to get a quick bite and then head directly to the FC. She still lives at home so I had to get her home before dark, LOL.

After the recent flakes and disappointments, it was great to finally have a date go to plan and even exceed expectations. This girl is young and looks innocent, but when we got to the FC that innocent facade quickly disappeared, LOL We just started off with some light cuddling and she was ready to go. She was quickly aroused and just opened her legs and started gyrating her hips against my magic stick. Before I knew it, she had me enter her BB. Very risky I know, but it happened so fast and I got caught up in it, literally. We went through a series of positions and when I told her I was about to cum, she told me to pull out, which I did all over her chest. Then about 45 minutes later when we were lying down watching TV, she told me she wanted to go again! And we went at it again for probably about a hour or so with both she and I loving every second of it.

Pretty soon afterward I drove her home and gave her some money for the school expenses, which wasn't that much and she was very appreciative. Right after I dropped her off, she sent me a txt thanking me for the dinner and the money as well as saying she had a great time. This is the way it should be. Win-win for all.

BB Weakness

I did engage in pretty risky behavior. I have noticed that 18-19 year-olds often default to BB sex. In the past year, I've had raw sex with 4 SBs. With all 4, they were between 18-19. Now with this girl Innocence SB, she wasn't trying to get a long-term support check out of me because she told me to pull out. The big thing was that I was putting myself at risk of STDs. But I'm one of those guys who just perform poorly with condoms. Not sure if it's an allergy or just reduced sensation, but my sex romp with Innocence wouldn't have gone nearly half as well if I had to wear a rubber.

I do agree it's the biggest weakpoint in my deep cover. It's very difficult to explain a STD if you pass it on to your SO. But I'm going to keep playing with the BB fire for now because it's something I enjoy too much and one of the reasons I go through the trouble of seeing SBs.

**John G Smith** · 04-01-13 03:46

Since the days men were crawling out of caves, we've been the providers. And throughout the ages typically the quality of our mate has been a measure of our means to provide. We've been paying for it one way or another since the dawn of time, and the girl we get is often the direct result of how much we can pay, club, or hunt.

If I think back to all my "normal" relationships I had before I was married, I was still paying for dates, gifts, and etc. Some of the normal relationships I had emotional attachments, others I didn't really. It was often dependent on how I clicked with the girl, not whether I was outlaying a lot (or very little) cash on dates and etc.

My sugar relationships are similar. The fact that I'm giving a SB money makes little difference for me regarding emotional involvement or not. It's just a matter of whether we really click or not. The major difference for me is I don't enter a sugar relationship looking for emotional involvement. But the simple act of me giving someone money doesn't kill the possibility for me because I've been paying for it one or another in every relationship I've been in. It's nothing new.

I think the real problem isn't that it's strange to have feelings for a SB, Stripper, Escort or whatever. The problem is that it's usually dangerous in this hobby / lifestyle to development emotional attachments because it can lead to your undoing. Having emotional attachments can lead to "fatal attraction" stalkers, blackmailers, and etc that can wreck your home life and / or career. That's why emotional attachments are discouraged on these forums. Not because it's a sign of manly weakness but because it's usually a quick way to end your sugar bowl career prematurely if you're not careful.

And the reason this has been a frequent issue in this particular forum is because SB relationships (in particular the long-term ones) are designed to have some kind of personal connection. It's just a much bigger issue compared to seeing escorts. Escorts are straight to business and want to have zero interaction with you outside the allotted timed. They want to know just enough about you to make sure you're not LE, then they want to know nothing more about you. By default you're treated like a "john" or "trick" in an assembly line of other donations with dicks whom come through their hotel room. And they're always on the hustle. These are indeed "garden tools" and why it's rare to have any emotional or even personal connection with these girls. One of the first things they teach in Garden Tool 101 is not to have any personal connections with "clients".

But "real" SBs (meaning not semi-pros or UTRs masking as SBs) are not wired the same as escorts. Even though you're giving them money essentially for sex, many of them still want to have a quasi-normal human relationship with you. Many of them will be far more appreciative to you for financial assistance compared an escort and maybe even your wife, LOL. That's why in a successful SB / SD relationship the risk of emotional involvement is always there. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just avoid it, haha.

As for the test of,"Would the SB still sleep with me if I didn't give her money?" I'm pretty sure my wife would divorce me if I stopped paying the mortgage and the bills. Likewise, past girlfriends would have left me almost immediately if I didn't treat or support them financially in some way. I'm a decent looking guy, but I'm still not good enough looking to have girls just throw sex at me on an on-going basis just by the sight of me, LOL

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 21:46

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

She is a clear cut 10 across the board and has the tightest and wettest little pussy ever. I can't wait to cum inside. She is very quick to orgasm and I have to ramp up my ejaculation speed to keep up. She gets very sensitive after cumming so it is less enjoyable for her when I last so long. RE: condoms, in my old age I have a hard time cumming with a sleeve on, so it definitely takes some of the fun out of it for me.

She sounds like a wet dream. Think of the fun you'll have trying to ejaculate.

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 21:40

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

One man's garden tool is another's true love

And one man's adorable wife is another's * EX wife.

So true, so true.

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 21:38

Originally Posted by Zomby [View Original Post]

My apologies to the group.

Mea culpa.

Don't worry about it. We all get worked up sometimes. The posts are good, lets roll on.

**RichmondDude** · 03-31-13 19:19

And there again some on this bird, who think their way is the only way, and that they are holier than thou. Really. Thats why its called a opinion, and I refuse to listen to any thing they say, even if they do come up with their own special little names for the events. Girls, and more times than not I'm sure you guys can figure out who the GODS of the sugar world are. Or think they are.

I'm out

**Dog Rice** · 03-31-13 18:08

Folks,

My perspective is similar to Cmdr especially on BBFS (w. Are. T STD). There was a bro earlier in this forum, JoesParty, who posted his experience. Good story to check out.

Be safe out there, folks.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

My argument against it goes as follows:

Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.

Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.

Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.

So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.

I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.

Attention! SubCmdr on deck!

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 18:05

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.

Prostate surgery is a completely different animal. The vas are just a conduit, whereas the prostate gland can make or break the whole process.

You're wise to avoid prostate surgery, absent malignancy of course, but in this day and age vasectomies carry no more risk than a tooth extraction, despite "delicacy" of the location. (:

**Zomby** · 03-31-13 18:00

My apologies to the group.

Mea culpa.

**FredMoore** · 03-31-13 16:54

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

My argument against it goes as follows:

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!

Commander, don't add me to your CHR list Your interesting and colorful wisdom is part of what makes this group entertaining. I yam what I yam and you is who you is. (or something like that)

One man's garden tool is another's true love

And one man's adorable wife is another's ***** EX wife.

Just sayin' Freddy.

**Literal2** · 03-31-13 16:48

Good discussion about vasectomies Sub.

**FredMoore** · 03-31-13 16:46

Birthcontrol

It surprises me how many of these young Babies do not use BC. Many do not want hormones like The "Pill" because of side effects. I strongly maneuver them towards these methods. One of the most fun is the ring (Nuvaring ). It is in the Vajayjay and you can tell its there, therefore "working", and sometimes you can feel it but it is not unpleasant. I would get a Vasectomy in a second if my SO didn't know it but no way I could sneak it by her.

Commander.

" If you are paying a woman to fuck you, how does that make her different than a woman that you are not paying to fuck you"

Presumably the payee is there primarily for the paycheck and may or may not Want to be there for your personality or sexual prowess. Our egos lead us to believe that in spite of our allowance given the Baby is overwhelmed by all things masculine that we have to offer. If the SB acts like she likes me then I am good with that. And I love "falling in love " if the SB is deemed a keeper.

Pot #?

That I had a M&G with last week was a Nando 1 and a little GPS for what she was offering, so I will pass on her.

Pot AA

HYCB came back but we both have scheduling conflicts, so she still seems interested in trying me out. She doesn't want sex on the first date, so we will M&G with no sex and no allowance and see how soon she would like to have a payday. I bet it will happen that night. Like everyone says, once they enter the FC then odds are she won't be able to resist.

Current ATF.

Is coming up on the 4th week and is acting increasingly loving. She is going to the OBGYN for birth control counseling so I am very jazzed about that. She is a clear cut 10 across the board and has the tightest and wettest little pussy ever. I can't wait to cum inside. She is very quick to orgasm and I have to ramp up my ejaculation speed to keep up. She gets very sensitive after cumming so it is less enjoyable for her when I last so long. RE: condoms, in my old age I have a hard time cumming with a sleeve on, so it definitely takes some of the fun out of it for me.

**SubCmdr** · 03-31-13 16:37

My argument against it goes as follows:

Most of the advice in this forum deals with how we as individuals can manage the risk of engaging in P4P. We, create false identifications, get hotels, hide our personal information, vet our partners and spend time here sharing our tools and techniques. The core that runs through the discussion is maintaining control.

Once you go raw you give up the control that you have spent the entire time building up to party time. Your exposure is to disease and reproductive accidents. Both of which are out of your control.

Now, if you are under deep cover you can walk away from a reproductive accident. And as long as you don't expose your SO you can weather a STD. But in both cases you have put yourself in a situation that you cannot control.

So, a vasectomy takes control of the reproductive accident. But it is final. I wish I did not have mine. And I'm not interested in going and having it reversed. And I have found that RAW sex is not qualitatively different from covered sex but in one arena: BBBJ.

I have only received CBJ's from two of my partners in my entire life. And a Garden Tool / Wife / Girlfriend / SO / Fuck buddy / Friend with benefits / UTR / Non Pro / Ho / Sugar Baby / Prostitute / Professional / better bring some pretty strong skills to the table for me to see her more than once or twice if she does not at least CIM.

P. S. And my most sincere and heart felt apologies to all those within the forum that take offense that I like to talk about the the nasty ho's you brag about PAYING to take your splooge in the orifice of your choice. I am truly sorry. I am developing a "Can't handle reality list". So, please PM me. I will put you on it and not comment on your posts from now on. ROTFLMAO!