"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John G Smith]

I generally look for long-term SB arrangements, but often settle for the short-term stuff. Finding a good long-term SB isn't easy.

Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.

1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.

With my ex-ATF it would vary. Sometimes I gave her 200 when we met in person, sometimes I gave her $0 in cash and just paid for dinner, movie, and hotel. But I would also send her money via Green Dot inbetween meets. It was pretty organic. For the whole month, it might be anywhere from 800. 1600. Though I'm working on a new SB that will be at the fraction of that amount.

In general, I like to get an idea of the SB's expenses and then calculate her monthly core needs. Sometimes the core needs are pretty modest compared to the fantasy allowance amounts they want.

With the short-term or new SBs, I try not to exceed 200 per meet. I'll occasionally do 300 if we can meet at her place. But 150 per meet is usually the sweet spot that I'm comfortable with.

2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?

I just pay attention to little things in conversation and then try to buy something relevant to that. It doesn't have to be expensive, but the thoughtful gesture increases the comfort level for the SB exponentially. And for holidays I will buy gifts. For my ex-ATF for Christmas, I got her an iPhone. It was 200, so it was basically the same as the normal amount I gave her, but she loved it more than the usual cash.

3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?

I did a combo of cash in hand and green dot. But after recent experiences, I'm going to pull away from the green dot and introduce that later in the relationship if at all. For some girls it can work well so they don't feel like an escort. You basically reload the card before or after the meet, so you don't actually have to have an awkward exchange of cash in person. Even though SBs ultimately want the $$, some of them (especially the new ones) feel really weird about receiving cash right after you gave them a sperm deposit. The green dot method really helps with these girls. But for other girls it just becomes a way for them to keep asking for money without having to meetup (and goto the FC). So it ends up contributing to the eventual doom of your arrangement (basically what happened with my ex-ATF).

4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL)

[/quote]I'm a hypocrite, so yes. Or at the very least I like to have full disclosure with my long-term SB with who else she's banging. I like to go bare with my long-term SBs, so I like for their sexual activity to be reduced to known entities. Primarily though I ask to be her "exclusive sugar-daddy". I know most other sugar-daddies are sport-fucking multiple babies, escorts, and etc so I want my long-term SB to stay away from "high traffic" individuals. But if she's banging a boyfriend or long-term fuck buddy, then I don't care too much.

Plus for me, part of the appeal of sugar babies is that you're banging a young lady who isn't sexing up a multitude of guys who browse BP ads. At a given time, a real sugar baby is probably having sex with just 1-3 people. Her sugar daddy, her real-life love interest, and possibly a fuck-buddy (And if you're good enough in the sack, you can take over this roll as the sugar daddy). The mileage on a real SB is so far below an escort or UTR girl. So when I have a long-term SB, I like to make sure she stays low-mileage while we're together and I insist that I be her only sugar daddy. In return, I try to make sure I always cover her core needs. So as long as she makes me happy, she knows certain needs will be consistently taken care of.

After all, SBs also figure out pretty soon that finding a long-term reliable SD is very hard for them as well. It's not too hard for them to find one or two night hookups, but it's not easy for them to get something reliable especially between weeding out all the weirdos and creepers. That's why many SBs who are are on their "second try" are open to having a exclusive sugar daddy if certain monthly needs are met consistently. In my experience if you can provide at least 800-1000 per month cumulative, then that will get most girls (who are 6 to 8 in looks and live at home / shared housing) to be exclusive to you. That's enough to cover all their car, phone, and maybe even rent (w / roommates).

That's why it's good to pay in terms of "expenses" with these girls and even pay bills directly when possible. For example if you give a girl 200 in cash for her car payment, but instead she uses the cash to go on shopping spree, then she's still going to struggle with the car payment and she'll still act cash-strapped possibly hitting up another SD. But if you pay the car payment directly with a green dot, then the bill is definitely taken care of for the month and she'll actually feel her financial burden lifted because of you. You then become more valuable to her. Her bills are completely covered and she's getting more mileage out of her own money. Doing a little money-management for her can pay off big time.

[Zomby]

I love wooing a worthy Baby, and emotionally lock her up. The down side of that is that I get very E involved and mourn the loss of our relationship when it ends, and demand exclusivity while it's going on. It is a harder way to roll and ties up more of your thoughts and time during the days when your apart. At the same time it makes the time together so much more intense.

Since this girl is my first and only SB, and we more or less stumbled into it, I'm not sure what approach I'll take when she decides to kick me to the curb, though I more than suspect I will try for something similar to what I have with her. Personally, it's difficult for me to have what I think of as a "really good" time without some level of affection. Sure, I can fuck and bust a nut without loving, but I pretty much at least have to at least like the girl to get more than simple cum enjoyment out of it. If it's too mechanical, like it generally is with strippers, it's good, but not great. It's been great with this one, and if I can find that again, it's what I'll go for.

For me, there's a qualitative difference between spending time with her, exploring, cuddling, drowsing, playing and fucking and buying an hour of stripper / escort time in a hotel room. I've found that I like it, a lot, and while I don't see myself giving up the casual "just plain fucking" thing, if I can have the "special" time, I'm definitely going for it.

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[Zomby]

My situation may be somewhat atypical, as I'm not actively pursuing any other babies. One is enough, and I've been seeing her for over three years now.

1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.

It's not a monthly thing for me. With few exceptions on either side, I give her some sugar each time I see her, and she gives me some sugar each time. I've given her as little as zero (it was my birthday), and as much as two hundred. Usually runs in the hundred to hundred and a half range.

2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?

Once in a while. I get her small Christmas and birthday presents. A locket, a bracelet, books, meals, t-shirts, stuff like that. Usually small, I got her a massage for her birthday this year, which ran a pretty penny. But it was worth it. Watching the naked masseuse giving that massage to my naked baby was erotic as hell. I almost asked the masseuse if we could use her room after the massage. Too bad the masseuse is straight an arrow; that would have been fun.

3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?

Cash in my hand to hers. As I noted above, pretty much every time we meet.

4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL)

Hell no. She has a boyfriend and is bisexual besides. Even if I was to ask her, she'd laugh at me. I see other women, however occasional, and I'm not that hypocritical.

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[SubCmdr]

Well I paid join SA, other day, puttin I'm some work, I usually play on other threads, but after reading some of these post, figured I'd try it for a month or 2. I have had a few UTR types, which were good, and one who kept around for yrs. Well I'm set to meet my 1st SB this wk end, you were right they rather text than anything, we both got a little idea of whats going to happen, she is 27 very nice looking. So I will see. In the mean time ima keep looking.

Mr. RichmondDude,

Welcome to the sugar world. We love to hear reports of success, failure, old techniques that work and new ones you develop.

Good Hunting!

Subcmdr out!

[Rob Taylor]

I have been trying to devise a plan to seperate the real SB's from UTR's and non pro's posing, because if they are non pro's or UTR's. You have to take extra security precautions if even see them at all. So here is my criteria to determine the difference.

A. Sugar baby criteria is 1. She will want to see a picture 2. She will want to text and email for about a week 3. She will want to meet you in a public place to meet before going to a hotel or home for FC. Now a girl can require this and still not be a SB, but if she doesn't do this you can in fact conclude that she is a non / pro or UTR, because a SB will be worried about safety and or some base line chemistry Now how do you tell if a girl is a non pro. 1. She will want a picture as well. 2 she will want talk and maybe meet in a neutral area (but a non pro will start talking about prices per meet very early and probably will talk in terms of per meet.

And also there is a good chance she will skip the meet and greet and go straight to the FC at your house or hotel.

C. UTR 1. Does not care about a picture. 2. Will talk money and charge on a per hour basis. 3. Will come straight to you.

Without a public meeting.

Obviously the most overlap is between non pro's and SB's, but my rule of thumb is that a a chick who wants a picture and is willingto come over right away and does not charge by the hour is a non pro. In regards to SB's if they ask for things like shopping dinneretc. This means they are probable a real sb, non pro's and UTR's just want money. There maybe more overlap but I find these distinctions work well.

[RichmondDude]

Well I paid join SA, other day, puttin I'm some work, I usually play on other threads, but after reading some of these post, figured I'd try it for a month or 2. I have had a few UTR types, which were good, and one who kept around for yrs. Well I'm set to meet my 1st SB this wk end, you were right they rather text than anything, we both got a little idea of whats going to happen, she is 27 very nice looking. So I will see. In the mean time ima keep looking.

[SubCmdr]

I would argue that your methods change depending upon the type of garden tool you are dealing with. I like to roll with hard working Nando 1's. Hard working MILF's who have a job, car and bills to pay. Spoiled rich college girls sitting around figuring how much dick they can take to finance their spring break because their real Daddy won't get off the money are not my thing.

1. $100 / visit. Bust as much as you want. Keep your CPO low and fuck two to three times as much!

2. Extras: Oh fuck no! Especially in the beginning. They are getting paid to fuck! They have to put some work in so you can see if you want to spend that kind of time with them. Some of them are so busy they don't want extras. They often want to see you on the regular because don't have time to take splooge from multiple Daddy's like the rich college girls.

3. Be a big baller and throw the cash in the air. Make it rain and have it float down on the bed while you are both still naked. These women want to know you are not trying to get over. After they know you, you can be discreet.

[Hernando]

This avocation of ours is very personal and we each have different ways of handling our relationships. I appeared to miss a lot over the past few days I have been away. I have a very similar personality and approach to Scotty, so I can identify with him. That is not to say other approaches are wrong, they're just different.

I love wooing a worthy Baby, and emotionally lock her up. The down side of that is that I get very E involved and mourn the loss of our relationship when it ends, and demand exclusivity while it's going on. It is a harder way to roll and ties up more of your thoughts and time during the days when your apart. At the same time it makes the time together so much more intense. Other more pragmatic approaches, perhaps Sub Commander's, gets the job done with a minimum of emotional baggage, and less sensitivity. Both techniques get the FC filled, and the sperm ducts emptied.

Re : Mike's?

1) $250 / visit.

2) Extras offered at the time, such as dinners, spa visits, gifts, flowers for a total of $50 to 150 / visit.

3) Cash under the soap dish / key dish at her residence or in her purse at a Notel

4) I emphasize my desire for exclusivity on both sides, and expect her not to make it evident to me that that she sees others.

[F Scott]

Scott, I sort of lost track. Did you ever, ah, enjoy relations with that co-worker who sent you stimulating pix of her tatas, ass and pussy? She was sweet.

My balls were just not big enough to handle that amount of stress and exposure. It was shortly after that when I took a self-imposed hiatus from all Sugar activity, in order to recalibrate my Adreneline Meter. Several situations, including hitting on a tatooed baby at my local Trader Joes, thinking I could fuck my ex-assistant without repercussions, and running into a baby while out with my family at a restaurant led me to realize that I was in love with the risk of where I was at, and the next stop on that train wreck was the End of My Life as I knew it.

After a few months or so of bed-rest, I emerged only to meet Polo, who ushered me back into the Sweet Life with gusto and a great deal of inventiveness. It's all back in the Journal if you are having trouble sleeping some evening.

Back to the co-worker for a moment, she dropped out of the Bowl shortly after sending me those pics, so I assumed some local brother scooped her up, and even now is happily nailing her every other day. I still have my daydreams, tho!

Back to the chase!

Tally ho,

Scott

[Literal2]

Scott, I sort of lost track. Did you ever, ah, enjoy relations with that co-worker who sent you stimulating pix of her tatas, ass and pussy? She was sweet.

[Literal2]

What happened? I was responding to quarreling, now the quarrel has disappeared! Ah, the magic of sugarbabies. Well done by all!

[Literal2]

Lets get back to talking about how sweet those little SB pussies are.

[SubCmdr]

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[F Scott]

In case some think I am overreacting, based on what is public here, let me assure you our back-channel conversation was much more frank and direct.

Enough,

Scott

[F Scott]

I for one want to hear more of Scott's stories. He's a good writer with a successful technique. Just what we need on this thread. The fact that others have different techniques and styles usually makes it all the merrier. It would be nice to avoid giving offense when possible. Sub, a string of obscenities usually sounds like an insult to someone. I'd prefer to hear about your successes and how you set them up, and about any failures you care to share with us. Thanks.

I appreciate your words of support.

For the record, I have no problems whatsoever with different approaches, techniques, viewpoints or attitudes. We each need to find what works for us. The civility and comraderie of this particular thread is a marvel, and it has always been here from the start. I do not want to upset that.

My problem with Sub's comments was that they were gratuitous, advanced nothing, and seemed like a direct attack at me and a baby I have admitted to caring for, perhaps a bit too much, but there you have it. There's no other way I could see it, and to some extent you seem to agree. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he could have thought he was being "funny", I suppose, but as you point out, a string of obscenities sounds more like an insult, and again, advances nothing.

If other brothers see it differently, let me know.

Scott