"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Pats Fan1** · 02-28-13 18:26

So I'm very new to this side of things "the bowl". I have been trolling in the escort / AMP / mp waters on and off for the last 11 yrs. So I have spent quite a few hrs RTTF. I have had an ad on sd4me for the last couple of weeks. I have several fishing lines in the water. Trying to determine and stay away from the Nando 1's. I learned that much at least. I still haven't figured out what the heck FC is. Not sure if I'm doing things right but I like the hunt. Funny thing is with each one as I start talking to them they all go out of their way to say they are not a prostitute. I always say. I know that and that's not what I'm looking for, if I was I'd be looking in a differnet place. They buy it hook line and sinker every time. Dumb broads.

Pot 1:23 yr old hottie. She is a solid 8 or 9. She has a job. I thought I had scared her off with being pretty blunt in an email asking her what she wanted out of the arrangement. We are scheduled for a coffee meeting on Sat.

Pot 2:39 yr old (she's probably older) she has a job and can host. Had a coffeee meeting with her today. It went well and she wanted to get to it but I had to run. She has already texted saying she liked me and was sad I had to go. So she is a lay I can schedule whenever I want. I told her I can pay 100 per meeting. She said she usually gets more. Yeah sure.

Pot 3:24 yr old hottie. She lives 1 1/2 hrs away so nothing scheduled yet. We talked about meeting in the middle somewhere for lunch.

Any advice or feedback from you folks is appreciated. By the way Mr. Scott your story about the boyfriend coming home in the middle of things reminded me of a similar thing I had with an escort yrs ago. Not funny at the time but funny as shit looking back on it.

**SubCmdr** · 02-28-13 12:06

I have a friend who is a straight garden tool. She told me the calculation is as follows:

Oral and / or Vaginal sex is $. That is 20 minutes. One bust. If you haven't busted by then too bad. If you bust before then, session is over. Now fetish is more expensive and a variable.

They don't want to hang out with you unless they like you anyway. They don't want to talk to you about your problems unless they like you anyway. First visit is a interview. If you pass the interview you get the opportunity for repeat visits. And she has her own frequent visitor program. Everything is up for negotiation after you make it past the first visit. She is looking for repeat visitors. Just like any good business would.

I had a SB give me a prior relationship discount. I wanted to see her. She had plans to meet someone else. She canceled her meeting with the other guy who was paying 3 times what I offered. In order to spend time with me because the drive was shorter and she liked me. 3 hours 2 busts. Always keep in mind the concept of Goodwill. It will get you further than $ ever will.

Go deep, Go HAM and prosper!

SubCmdr Out!

**SubCmdr** · 02-28-13 11:53

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

"Awe ok but no that's not enough someone offered me 1000 each visit and I really need that so I can get me a car so sorry guess ill go with them :/"

So which of you bast*s is paying these GPS types that kind of money? I think even if I had it, I would still hesitate to spend that much even for the finest of "garden tools".

Oh well, at least I still have my 2 backup SBs still in rotation.

Keep up the fine posts. And let me know if 1000 is anywhere near any of your going rates.

Mr AliasSM,

I dropped $$$$$ one time for a visit to the FC. CPO was $$.5 and I spent 5 hours with her. I had a great time. But, I would NEVER do that again. 1K buys me a week with ATF1, ATF2 or ATF3. That is 24/7 access to all three holes in a vacation setting. There is no sugar for the trip. That is just expenses for the vacation. Somebody out there is getting PUNKED! LOL!

Just say no to GPS!

SubCmdr Out

**Wnde8** · 02-28-13 09:30

For the guys making mid 5 figure incomes-do you guys exaggerate the income you make or put the actual amount?

**AliasSM** · 02-28-13 08:41

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

I doubt anyone is paying her that amount. Smells like a ploy to get you to make your max offer.

Maybe. But I know one SB pretty well that have an out of town visitor come in and take her on a 500 shopping spree with no request to go to the FC. The crazies are out there.

She may be trying to negotiate, I agree, but either way I'm moving on. No patience for the GPS fever.

**EuroInCincy** · 02-28-13 08:33

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

I doubt anyone is paying her that amount. Smells like a ploy to get you to make your max offer.

Yes my ATF gets regular $500/$1, 000 and more from sd's she has met. This also reflects what the comment SubCmdr referred to. It is a game! I can see her on a regular basis for a lot lot lot less. The ones she has gotten $500, $1, 000 and one time $3, 000 from don't interest her, there her garden tool nature comes out " I will 'do him' because my tuition is due". But since I have played a better role than these guys, she keeps telling me I am fun, interesting ext. So I play along thus reducing my cost per photon torpedo, and exposing her to unknown planets and cultures.

It all starts with how you approach her. And first contact is important, feel them out how the want to be assimilated with the great unit. And then adapt you discovery along that way.

Never give up Never surrender

**Spitfire** · 02-28-13 08:04

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

The most recent Pot is a 9 out of 10 on the HCB scale and she just started to txt with me a few days ago. I was respectful and truthful about what I could pay per visit. Not at the top end with you big spenders, but not at the bottom with you bargain hunters either. She quickly scoffed at me offer with this reply:

"Awe ok but no that's not enough someone offered me 1000 each visit and I really need that so I can get me a car so sorry guess ill go with them :/"

So which of you bast*s is paying these GPS types that kind of money? I think even if I had it, I would still hesitate to spend that much even for the finest of "garden tools".

Oh well, at least I still have my 2 backup SBs still in rotation.

Keep up the fine posts. And let me know if 1000 is anywhere near any of your going rates.

I doubt anyone is paying her that amount. Smells like a ploy to get you to make your max offer.

**SubCmdr** · 02-28-13 01:11

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

I refer to the self deception of the SB. Yes, they are fucking for money. However, I don't think the real SB has quite accepted that in the way that an escort does. An escort (in most cases) is really about production: get you in, drain you (of money, certainly; of semen, if she must). A true sugarbaby wants to respect herself and believe that she is a companion and that the money is secondary. A minor difference, true, but to bolster that belief I think some are willing to make themselves more accessible in terms of time, intimacy beyond physical, and emotion. I think that can create a better experience for the SD, and thus make it worth the extra effort or cost that may go along with it. I welcome the thoughts of others on the forum on my perception.

Mr. Dsprdo,

The key to success as a SD is not to treat the SB as a garden tool. I get that! But one must always remember that a Sugar Baby has a garden tool inside of her just waiting to get out. I would like to remind my fellow Brothers under deep cover not to forget they are playing a role. So, while there is temptation to feel real emotion, until you remove the money it is not real emotion just good business. That alone will help all current, new and future SD's avoid many of the pitfalls outlined in this forum.

Leave your splooge dipping from all of their holes gentlemen!

SubCmdr out!

**AliasSM** · 02-27-13 23:23

I've been out of the SA world for a while. Content with my 2 current AA HCBs that have been taking more of my time than I really had available to give. Decided to jump back in about month ago due to a little bit boredom and a little bit curiosity if the grass was really greener. Some of you guys on this forum really make it hard to stay satisfied with the status quo, with all of your great stories and all.

Anyway, been playing the game with a few new pots. Nothing spectacular as of yet. One was definitely a Nando 1 that took me home with her after the first M&G this week. Limited oral action then marginal FS. Nothing really special. It was a quick in and out and I will not repeat Another 21 yr old HCB has scheduled 2 M&Gs with me so far and backed out of both of them at the very last minute. But still stays in touch via txt and still has my interest. Go figure. I should have learned my lesson by now.

The most recent Pot is a 9 out of 10 on the HCB scale and she just started to txt with me a few days ago. I was respectful and truthful about what I could pay per visit. Not at the top end with you big spenders, but not at the bottom with you bargain hunters either. She quickly scoffed at me offer with this reply:

"Awe ok but no that's not enough someone offered me 1000 each visit and I really need that so I can get me a car so sorry guess ill go with them :/"

So which of you bast*s is paying these GPS types that kind of money? I think even if I had it, I would still hesitate to spend that much even for the finest of "garden tools".

Oh well, at least I still have my 2 backup SBs still in rotation.

Keep up the fine posts. And let me know if 1000 is anywhere near any of your going rates.

**Dsprdo** · 02-27-13 21:34

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1691546]The best advice that I ever received from a Brother in the forum was: 'Remember that all of these women are fucking for money! '

That being said, there is no real difference between a escort and a sugar baby. Except for in the mind of those willing to engage in the worst form of deception: self deception.

Sub Cmdr.

I agree with your basic premise. I think there is a nuance that you may not have considered that does create a small difference, which is founded upon your second sentence above. I think you were referring to the self deception of the SD; I refer to the self deception of the SB. Yes, they are fucking for money. However, I don't think the real SB has quite accepted that in the way that an escort does. An escort (in most cases) is really about production: get you in, drain you (of money, certainly; of semen, if she must). A true sugarbaby wants to respect herself and believe that she is a companion and that the money is secondary. A minor difference, true, but to bolster that belief I think some are willing to make themselves more accessible in terms of time, intimacy beyond physical, and emotion. I think that can create a better experience for the SD, and thus make it worth the extra effort or cost that may go along with it. I welcome the thoughts of others on the forum on my perception.

**EuroInCincy** · 02-27-13 17:02

Just the illusion is given it is different.

Emailed with a new one on SA. She wanted to take it to Y messenger.

The Yesses are being worked one by one. Yes she wants to know exactly what I will do for her.

And right between a message I get this one.

"got your other email. I can't just drive up and stay the night. Would like to get to know you a little before that."

Now I not emailed her about her driving up, since she is close, and staying the night. So she is talking to me and atleast another.

See Hernando. It is all an illusion, a real life game to make our toes curl the best way.

"never give up Never surrender"

**Revvo** · 02-27-13 13:36

What techniques tools, and strategies have you guys employed to reduce the flake factor. One thing I do is to avoid the real young ones who are just entering the bowl.

They appear to be the most flakiest of all flakes. Also there appears to be a phase that many of them go through where they have entered the bowl and the discussions but have not actually fucked for money yet. These almost certainly will get cold feet and flake a time or two before they go back and go through with it.

Also look for someone who has some responsibility already. Real job, really going to college etc.

I have also found that the same baby can be a flake now but in the future may not be a flake. So follow up don't burn bridges and above all be patient. I have learned much about patience from this game.

What do you guys do?

Revvo

**SubCmdr** · 02-27-13 13:00

Originally Posted by Wnde8 [View Original Post]

Hey guys, what's the going rate on that site for a few hours a night with a hot girl. 8/10 range?

The best advice that I ever received from a Brother in the forum was: 'Remember that all of these women are fucking for money! '

That being said, there is no real difference between a escort and a sugar baby. Except for in the mind of those willing to engage in the worst form of deception: self deception. So, go down through the list of questions. And you receive a yes answer to them. In the end you pay them money. Bottom line. End of story. Period. When they leave with your splooge dripping from all three holes, no matter how eloquent you rap has been; or how well you have rocked their world (or faked it without your knowledge). They leave the encounter with money. They have just fucked for money. Straight up garden tool!

Sugar Babies are just garden tools with a different marketing plan. And the gauntlet we must all run in the sugar game is simply a method that allows them to choose who they wish to fuck. It does not change the fact that they are fucking for money! Play the game! Love the pussy! Do not love the garden tools.

Everyone here has different methods that work for them. They all work because the garden tools are all different. And we are ALL fucking! Find the methods that work for you. My advice Mr. Wnde8 is to RTFF! Put some mother fucking work in! Learn your market. Decide where you wish to enter and begin the negotiations with the garden tools in your area or beyond post haste. There is no substitute for playing the game.

Go balls deep; Go HAM and prosper,

SubCmdr Out!

**Wnde8** · 02-27-13 10:44

Darn, I guess that's the disadvantage of getting a huge discount using "sugar" instead of paying per hour.

How many girls are you having to exchange messages with before you get a yes?

**Magic Rat** · 02-27-13 09:46

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

JG,

This is one of the more well-said descriptions of the path to success, and very real pitfalls, in the Sugar Bowl, and the essential difference between escorts and babies. Even if an SB said "yes" to you, it does not mean she automatically will say "yes" to me, regardless of the amount of sugar offered. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the Bowl.

Scott

Damn Scott! There is a challenger to the most eloquent poster on this thread! One of the best posts ever John! I would also add that even though you get through all those "yeses" one or multiple times, it doesn't mean you are going to get a yes from the same Baby every time. Evidently that thing they have that we desire so much, also makes them a fickle creature.