"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**John G Smith** · 02-04-13 00:26

Well the overnight I had planned with the Caretaker SB was a bust. I got stood-up. What's worse is that it was after I already checked in to the hotel. I also bought some food and drinks to stock the hotel refrig, so that was a waste as well. I texted her the room number but I never got a response from her. I sent a text every 45 min for the next couple hours, then gave up.

I had confirmed our overnighter the previous night and we had planned it all week long. In hindsight, I probably should have done one more confirmation on the day of. But I had only seen her before in the FC and there wasn't a hint of hesitation in her texts the entire week. In fact, she seemed really enthusiastic about it. I just don't know what happened. Maybe she had some last minute moral crisis or has a boyfriend, who knows. I still haven't heard from her at all since the last confirmation text Friday night. Usually I can shrug off no-shows or abrupt disappearances, but this one stings a bit because we got along pretty well and this overnighter took a lot of pre-planning to do. So I would really like to get a reason from her what happened.

I ended up staying overnight by myself since the room was already paid for. I spent some of her allowance on a nearby strip club (which I got barely any mileage) and I went and saw a movie. Definitely one of the low points in my sugar bowl experiences.

The one glimmer was that when I was checking out the next morning, the front-desk girl was very chatty, sensing some interest, I started flirting with her. However, I ended up holding back because she already knew my real identity and street address, LOL. Even with the civilian girls, I need to be able to do a Ninja Vanish, so her already knowing my street address is a non-starter. But at least it did provide a brief ray of sunshine in my otherwise miserable weekend.

**Golfcart** · 02-03-13 23:02

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Golfcart, I really like your thoughts below. As well as other thoughts you have had on here about pushing the string. I use them myself now.

Question, have you applied the civvie technique in the past? If so how often does it work? What if there is no birthday on the horizon? Just make up another event?

Revvo

The opportunity has to present itself, but yes, I've helped a few and found the clothes come flying off. In those situations there was never a thought of anything in return and things turned out to have a return to my surprise. I think the key is really and truly not expecting anything. This is the polar opposite of helping a girl to get in her pants. That won't work in the situation I'm talking about because they have this pulled on them all the time.

I didn't post to Fred because I thought he might be able to carry this off. He made a comment I suggested he had to shed. The attitude behind that comment is a killer to the girl I'm talking about, to a SB and even to an escort. A true escort won't let you shove her nose in it.

I posted to Fred because he came upon a hot civie, they were already flirting and she mentioned a college loan. In the situation I was addressing that's the fish jumping in the boat. However, it crossed my mind she might have been working Fred.

Not everybody can sing in public and we’re not all generous. A guy who is truly generous can get all the pussy he wants and for guys who are not, what I’m talking about won’t work. They give off the signs of hitting a girl up, always looking at her tits and not into her eyes, even looking at the tits on the girl at the next table, speaking in double entree, things like that, things her father never did, in other words.

Most of us paint a sign across our forehead very telling to the female.

The birthday card is just a medium for the first gift. That it's her birthday is a private joke between the two. Prior posts by me about having the money in my palm and sliding it in her purse as she is distracted by the elevator door is for the situation where P4P is on top of the table. Deep down no girl is comfortable with P4P, not the locals, not the National Top List girls. It's a way of getting her the money without shoving it in her face.

**BigTigger** · 02-03-13 16:17

Had a great session with MsOxyMoron, she was in physical need and I was there to help fulfill. Only expense was hotel. I'm sending her some funds later this week anyway, but it's always a good milestone when you can have fun without money at all being exchanged. Most of the time, I only let that happen maybe once, let's be real, the money is important even if they don't need it at the time. So I'll get bonus points for sending some without seeing her as she got points for doing the tiggabounce without any money exchanged.

BigTigg

**Revvo** · 02-02-13 21:11

Golfcart, I really like your thoughts below. As well as other thoughts you have had on here about pushing the string. I use them myself now.

Question, have you applied the civvie technique in the past? If so how often does it work? What if there is no birthday on the horizon? Just make up another event?

Revvo

**Expresso Jim** · 02-02-13 18:51

Have to agree with with Golfcart on all counts. Good advice, sir.

**LuckyLou** · 02-02-13 18:33

Walk the fuck away. You will get burned on so many levels. Go find some other hottie to fuck that has no clue who you are! Unless of course you are single and have a skill set that will gain you employment anywhere at anytime. If that is the case do what Golfcart said and fuck the shit out of that hottie, then freshin up your CV.

LL

**Golfcart** · 02-02-13 18:07

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Edit delete. I frequently visit a large corporate client where I am well known. There is a drop dead gorgeous admin asst who I have SERIOUS hots for. She is early to mid 20s (I am 50s) and we are flirting, but she seems like a "good " girl and I am afraid that it would shock her beyond belief if I came on to her. However, the little head rules the day, so here's what happened. We were talking about the super bowl and she is going home to Baltimore to go to the game with her girlfriends and to pay down (gasp! A HCG with a school debt!) her loan. I know you are all thinking I made the move but I filed it away for another day. Hmmm. Sweetheart, would you like me to help you with your school debt? I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.

So does anyone have any slick line I can roll out there so that I could save face if she is totally not open to the SB scenario? Mandy, if you are still her perhaps you could weigh in on the subject of perverting (converting) a chaste young thing?

She is half your age and hot. The two of you are flirting. She mentioned bills.

It's best to shed the attitude:

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Hmmm. Sweetheart, would you like me to help you with your school debt? I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.

Give her a card with $200 in it. Tell her it is her birthday present, and don't hang around. She knows how to contact you. The next move is hers. Give her space to make it. My bet is the clothes will come flying off giving her some money without mentioning a dime. If it doesn't happen you misread the flirting. The $200 keeps you from outing yourself.

Something never discovered by this board is giving a civie girl in distress money with no strings will cause the clothes to come flying off. All the posts focus on how to meet outed SB's over coffee, negotiate and not spend a dime doing it. There are more civie girls than those claiming to be SB's.

The question not asked,"Is it smart to mix business with pleasure on the premises of a good corporate client where I am well known?" Absolutely not.

**Revvo** · 02-02-13 13:59

Joy drop and Johng,

I too have considered going freestyle with a civvies. I have been doing a hell of a lot more flirting. And I have been having pretty good success. The more amateur the better short of a virgin though. I am working on this really cute 22 yo blond from a hooters type bar. She has been crying poor and I think we are going to close the deal. My first SB was a very inexperienced stripper not a total amateur but never been a SB. And I recruited her on my own.

PM me and we can compare successes and failures? I think there is a huge untapped market out there that is yet to be exploited. The ultimate soft sell.

Revvo

**Zomby** · 02-02-13 09:23

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

BTW, I recently tried going to an AMP a couple of weeks ago and I just couldn't get into it. The Sugar Bowl has spoiled me with 18-22 year-old HYBs that AMP 40-something year-old asian women in laundry clothes don't do it for me anymore. Has the Sugar Bowl spoiled you from your other recreational activities?

To an extent. I'm definitely spoiled somewhat by what I get from her, but I still venture out occasionally for a little variety. I would Absolutely say that my standards are higher now. Like you, I won't bother with most of the AMPs around here, because the level of service isn't what I want. However, there are a number of body rub girls in other establishments that I would consider, because they at least seem, based on others' reviews and my own limited experience, to step it up. Escorts have never really been my thing much in the first place, and though I have seen some, the experience overall isn't as good as getting a stripper out of the club. And I still do go to strip clubs, and still have an occasional romp in a back room, when it's inexpensive enough. Taking them out has gotten much rarer, though. I think there have been three in the last two years. (:

So with respect to higher standards, yeah, I'm spoiled, but it isn't like she's exactly ruined absolutely every thing else. I still get enjoyment elsewhere.

/z

**John G Smith** · 02-02-13 01:55

I actually cut my first teeth in the sugar bowl on SDaddie. But the lack of a more local search really killed it for me. I then went to SA and never looked back. Maybe the state-only search is not as big an issue in smaller states, but for large states like California it's a huge pain when I'm just trying to look for someone in my local area. Usually 7 out of 10 people I contacted were more than 2 hours away, so a lot of time was wasted in PMs filtering out girls based on location when the site should already be doing this automatically. I actually ran a dating site way back in the day, so I know why they did this. Their membership wasn't that big, so to make the search results seem more impressive, they restricted it to the state-level. However their membership is clearly big enough now but I don't think they had the foresight to collect city / zip info, so now they're playing catch-up.

And yes, being direct as possible on SDFM seems to be the way to go. Though keep in mind the type of girls who respond to direct inquires. Girls who respond quickly to direct requests are likely to be UTR Pros, strippers, or serial sugar babies (who potentially have multiple SDs on stand-by).

Also, the problem with offering $ is that it's very easy to get outbid. So even if she accepts $/visit, you may want to still ask her what kind of expenses she has. If giving her 140 instead of 100 better covers her expenses, then it might be worth doing it so she's focused on pleasing you instead of sniffing around for other SDs to fill in the gaps.

Then again, a lot just depends on your playing style in the sugar bowl. If your playing style is to quickly move from one SB to another then this may not be as big as of a concern.

That said.

Sugar Bowl Tip #293: When negotiating a monthly or per visit allowance, ALWAYS ask what real expenses she has. Often times a girl may initially request a 1500. 2000 monthly allowance, but when it comes down to it, she just has about 800. 1000 in monthly expenses, sometimes less. If you can get them to look at it rationally, then you can explain to them for example how 1-2 weekly visits at $100-150 per meet can pretty much cover all their basic monthly needs.

I got some borderline GPS girls to become more rational by playing their book-keeper for a day. Also if you present yourself as helping with their expenses instead of simply paying per sex then the more "normal" girls won't feel like an escort.

BTW, I recently tried going to an AMP a couple of weeks ago and I just couldn't get into it. The Sugar Bowl has spoiled me with 18-22 year-old HYBs that AMP 40-something year-old asian women in laundry clothes don't do it for me anymore. Has the Sugar Bowl spoiled you from your other recreational activities?

**Blak Casper** · 02-01-13 19:54

I scored my 1st from SD4ME the other day, we met for coffee, she was about a 7 or so a little older 40s. When we got to the amounts I asked what was she looking for? She said $1000 per month, I'm, a 1$ type so I asked how often would that be for? She said 3 times a week, I'm quick with numbers, so I calculated in my head mmmm 3x per week, that's 12 to 15 times per month depending on the month, so that brings the per meet number down to $80 or less! Haha. She went for it, and we went at it the next day. All was on the menu except anal. (I'm not a anal 1st date guy anyway) I've been to busy and had my standby friend over for free on the day she thought she was coming back.

**CantWinLosin** · 02-01-13 19:34

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

It's been ages since I checked out sugardaddie dot com. If I recall correctly, the search is only at the state level and you can't narrow it down to distance from you. Is it still that way?

It's still that way. However, when I logged in there last night (first time in quite a while; I've been concentrating on SA) they prompted me to update my profile to add my city info, so it looks like they will be adding finer granularity in their searches soon. Whether that will be for-paying-folks-only or not (as SA does for several of their searches) I have no idea.

**Hernando** · 02-01-13 16:51

I admire your style HG. More often than not I pay $250 / week, which ends up being once usually, plus social expenses such as dinner, flowers, etc. At $/pop I could date as often as I need.

Do you get it straight with them about a mandatory visit to the FC or do you have to work that in to the night? If the latter, what is your B / B ratio (bang / buck)?

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-01-13 16:38

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

"Do you actually include specific amounts in your intro" Smokartz_XO.

Gents, we all know why most of these babies are here. They know it, and we know it. Some just want to pretend for a while, and others are actually pros in SB disguise. These sites are just another free marketing venue.

The best side to err on is the respectful one that is a little more subtle. Some of the guys here are very successful not mentioning $$ at all. I always like being up front after getting a feel for the SB from texting and talking. I do not want to waste my time by meeting a GPS and spending some spec money on her just to find out that she values her Quan at 5$/pop. I like to ask something like " what goals do you have in mind from our relationship "? Or more directly," What sort of help are you looking for?"

We all have discussed this in prior posts and every successful SB has his own formula.

I offer $ a date period. The end. Lots of takers. I bring it up in the first email or message exchange. i am very busy and dont like to waste anyones time. seems to work best with 20 to 22 year olds. these are 7+ quality only. i date a lot so this still adds up on a monthly basis. long term regulars get perks, but then so do I. But for a first time or 2 or 3 meeting I don't budge. If i only wanted to date 10's .. then i would have to pay more. But what i might gain in looks i would loose in attitude. So for me it's not worth it. I would rather turn my 7's into 9's over time by suggesting all my donations go to hair, nails, clothes, etc. Let those other guys pay the rent, car payment, etc...

Obviously every situation is different. But my donation does not vary, although what they spend it on may.

**Hernando** · 02-01-13 16:18

"Do you actually include specific amounts in your intro" Smokartz_XO.

Gents, we all know why most of these babies are here. They know it, and we know it. Some just want to pretend for a while, and others are actually pros in SB disguise. These sites are just another free marketing venue.

The best side to err on is the respectful one that is a little more subtle. Some of the guys here are very successful not mentioning $$ at all. I always like being up front after getting a feel for the SB from texting and talking. I do not want to waste my time by meeting a GPS and spending some spec money on her just to find out that she values her Quan at 5$/pop. I like to ask something like " what goals do you have in mind from our relationship "? Or more directly," What sort of help are you looking for?"

We all have discussed this in prior posts and every successful SB has his own formula.