"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BigTigger]

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?

I have had a lot of luck there, let me try to count, well over 8 to 10 scores (24 year old AA. 22 year dominican. 30 year old latin and a host of others). I just renewed my account yesterday and have 3 pots already. It's good, it's a bit more work, but I found it very useful.

BigTigg

[BigTigger]

Had a meet and greet today with a 25 year old with a killer body from SD4ME. She had gained a little since the pics. The date was ok, but she had been emotionally and physically abused as a youth. So she was a bit all over the place, hard to read and a little weird. She was a bit OCD and ADD at the same time. It was a bit confusing. However, she did not seem too spastic, so I engaged and we chatted. A couple of leg rubs and subtle flirting. At some point I snuck in kiss. She was surprised, but welcomed it, it was limited to a very quick peck. She doesn't like pre-mature affection.

However, she also had this weird sense of right and wrong, that I can take her shopping, etc on the first date, but affection has to go at a much slower pace. Right! She doesn't get it. I paid for lunch, gave her gas money and even gave her chocolates and a starbucks card. For the M&G. I was not expecting the Tiggabounce, but a bit more than that 1/2 hug and "no more kisses" would have been nice. It was an 1 and 1/2 hour lunch date. I can't touch the lips, but she can use those same lips to ask me to take her shopping. Anyway, more than likely that will be the last date. She called later that day to ask for another date tomorrow that included shopping. I told her I was busy, maybe next week. She actually lost me when she said that sex in the relationship wasn't very important and that she's not a fan of receiving oral sex. She was just so not what I was expecting, the pictures were so nice and her initial conversations were on point.

Anyway, in my quest to have the Tiggabounce at every site I try (AFF-success, AM-success, SD4ME-success, CL Ad-success, Sdaddie-success, SA=success, OBC-success, BPM-success). I've been chatting with this married pot from POF. This is my first foray into POF, but is seems to be ok. We exchanged lots of emails and plenty of texts today. She could not talk on the phone, so we texted today for hours, between all my meetings and driving. Athletic build. 43 years old and with a great smile. We live about 2 to 3 hours apart. So the first date will be a long one and probably end up in the Tiggabounce, that's too far to not get in the goodies. I'll just keep texting and emailing until she's cool with the hotel on the first date. Since it's POF, the fact that I'm paying for gas, means and room was very appealing to her. I'll still give her some cash too, but the pressure to give the "right" amount is not there.

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I also contacted this 5'10 MILF who is 44 from SD4ME. She's ok looking, but not the cutest, however she has a manual labor job, hell on the face, great on the body. Oh my, the body is smoking. She's just horny as hell and wants a good working over. She's married and been deprived for years. We are meeting next week. We've talked on the phone, sexted, texted and exchanged pics. I asked about a M&G to get comfortable, then schedule the Tiggabounce. 2nd date. She said no, she wants to get to it on the first date. Does not want to go out, wants to meet at the room and just get worked over for a good couple of hours. I' 5'8, I told her I like 'them tall and to wear heels. She says she loves dressing up and will be looking great when she shows up. I need a more dependable booty call friend and she just might work. I'll keep you updated.

-The MILF that I had before wanted to go out again, I said no and pretty much told her I'd not be seeing her anymore. She went bonkers with all this I'm going to tell you wife, yada yada. Fortunately she doesn't have any of my real info. I knew she had a little crazy in here. She was a good lay, but too erratic.

- Chatted with another pot from sdaddie, she wanted me to drive 3 hours one way, spend 3 hours with her. 2 days a month for $$$$$$$$. You know that does not work with the TiggaMath!

-Got a number for a UTR from another thread, put the number in my phone and it was someone I had met on sdaddie dot com. Wow, she went from SD to non-pro to pro in less than six months.

-The one that was a referral from her friend has stopped replying to texts, emails and phone calls. I did one of each, I'm done, moving on. I am sad a little. I thought she was going to be the one to bounce all the others.

John G, thanks, I'll keep everyone updated. I hope this happens soon as I'm tired of the hustle with these others. I have a meeting with my young sphinx MsOxyMoron Friday night. She made it clear, she's very comfortable with me and doesn't want a bunch of non-essentials, like dinner, movie or pretense. She wants me in bed naked when she arrives and says that will be much of the same once she gets her place! BTW, I wish I could get a studio for that price, trust me, I've looked. In many cases I can get shared spaces, but I've not liked that setup.

BigTigg, I forgot to mention what you're about to setup with the apartment is pretty much the ideal setup I'd like to have someday. Pay maybe 500 - 800 for a studio apartment per month located somewhat nearby and then show up just about whenever I please. As others have mentioned, it has to be someone you won't get bored of for 6-12 months, but with the right girl it can be the perfect setup. Wish you good luck and let us know how it goes.

[JoyDrop]

Since we were on the subject of websites, I thought I'd bring to the group on whether any of have attempted to approach a regular girl in your day-to-day life to make her into a SB? I know for me, I'm now much more confident with talking and approaching 18-22 year olds compared to just a couple of years ago. Though I haven't yet actually broached the subject of an arrangement to one in my everyday life.

This is the pool I'm starting to play in. Check your PM's.

[CantWinLosin]

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?

[John G Smith]

If you haven't read them already, you should check out the posts of a particular member in the LA Non-Pro topics. Unlike many of the guys there who hunt for girls on CL and SD sites, he looks for opportunities in his day to day life in retail stores and such to convert young hotties into SBs of sorts. He has a low success rate, but when it works he taps a completely fresh normal girl who may have never heard about sugar daddy sites and such.

Since we were on the subject of websites, I thought I'd bring to the group on whether any of have attempted to approach a regular girl in your day-to-day life to make her into a SB? I know for me, I'm now much more confident with talking and approaching 18-22 year olds compared to just a couple of years ago. Though I haven't yet actually broached the subject of an arrangement to one in my everyday life.

Part of it is that I'm married so sometimes I'm damn tempted but I don't want to hit on a cashier who I might bump into later with my SO. But I'm thinking about trying out my skills at some out of the way malls or retail shops and look for fresh territory for potential SBs. Part of the problem with SD websites, is that you're competing with an unknown amount of guys also offering money, gifts, etc. And the girls themselves may be seeing multiple SDs. Going after a regular girl who's clearly working at a deadend job but hasn't discovered the sugar world is an opportunity to mine in fresh territory. Basically the old fashioned way, LOL.

That's why I like talking to the pot SBs on SA and SDFM even if it doesn't go anywhere. I'm trying to make a profile of the type of girl who eventually goes to these sites. This way when I'm out in the field, I'll know what signs to look for. When I have more time, I'll post some characteristics from my observations for you guys amusement and we can trade notes.

[John G Smith]

I've had similar experiences as Scott F. On SA, I tend to have to do a longer warm-up act before getting to the nitty gritty details. In my experience, SA girls tend to be a little bit newer to the sugar world. Some of them might be a little more hesitant, but they're "fresher" and higher quality on the average. I see a lot more university / full time college SBs on SA than on SDFM.

With SDFM, Hollywood Guy is totally correct, being direct is key. A few weeks ago, I changed my approach on SDFM to be more direct and I literally got a 90% response rate. Some of the girls may have wanted more than what I was offering, but I still got responses even from hot chicks and sometimes there was room to negotiate. IMO, SDFM is mostly the hangout for seasoned SBs or girls who are already used to purely transactional arrangements (ie. Strippers and UTR Escorts).

Both sites have their share of GPSs. Though SA probably has the worst in my experience. Also SA I think have more girls who think guys will pay them 2-3k a month just to be arm candy and never put out. Whereas SDFM has more girls who are down with the program (for the right price).

I've personally had more success with SA, but I've been using that site longer and I probably wasn't using SDFM correctly until just about a few weeks ago.

[John G Smith]

Wow, just had this discussion with MsOxyMoron, she's getting them and I'm paying. Get this, she says she's never done it without condoms. So this should be fun. I think the BC will come before she gets a place, I can't wait to see her reaction.

BigTigg.

BigTigg, I forgot to mention what you're about to setup with the apartment is pretty much the ideal setup I'd like to have someday. Pay maybe 500 - 800 for a studio apartment per month located somewhat nearby and then show up just about whenever I please. As others have mentioned, it has to be someone you won't get bored of for 6-12 months, but with the right girl it can be the perfect setup. Wish you good luck and let us know how it goes.

[SubCmdr]

What is it about these girls who want money from us older men but won't put out? Are there guys who actually pay for only arm candy? Not me!

Bravo Fredmoore! Make these garden tools put in some work!

SubCmdr Out!

[FredMoore]

Hi Guys, (and Girl),

I am a long time lurker and participant in the sex scene in most of its manifestations. I began with strip clubs and evolved through CL, BP, hookers, then SB. Thanks to all the advice you all have imparted on this site I feel like I have a PHD in Sexanomics.

Without dragging through the past successes as well as failures I will impart a few of my latest explorations.

My budget and available time allows for one or two nights / week playtime since I travel for work and have an excuse to be on parole. Since I cut my teeth on hourly workers I now prefer under 30 yr old naive SBs.

SB fail #1 off SA was a 26 single mom who agreed to travel to me for $$$ overnight. We exchanged multiple texts, pictures, and talked on the phone for a week. It sounded fabulous and I gave it a 80 % chance of occurring. She was an 7-7-8 in hooker parlance 7 face. 7 body. 8 attitude. I was thrilled to land my 1st possible regular since she wanted a reg. Well, the day came and texted and called to no avail. She didn't call until the next day to cancel or reschedule, and just said she was busy. Obviously she got a better deal. When she called to reschedule I wisely blew her off. Bummer for a starter.

SB # 2 is realized. She is a 25 yr old wf off SA She is an 8-8-8. We texted and talked for a week and met in her apartment where she resides alone. She is a part time student and seems naive but has no visible means of support and no job. Hmmm, I am hopeful but not born yesterday so I wonder if she has another SD or two. Maybe daddy is supporting her. I prefer a monogamous relationship for several reasons. She does not seem to be promiscuous and is actually not sexually experienced or talented, but young vaginas are just too much fun to pass up. We continue to see each other once / week for $1000 / mo. We go out a lot but do spend time in and I stay all night. She is not warm and romantic so I think she is keeping an emotional separation. I prefer a more romantic attitude. Hey! It is mostly acting so do the best you can right?

SB pot # 3 I am exploring AM since these girls are generally "free" I would like to find a girl or two who just want to step out on daddy for a fuck occasionally. In that vein I am talking to a 35 yr old wf 7-7? She seems attractive enough but not a young hottie that I like. Still, if I can bag her for run around the FC I will. Stay posted. We're getting to the text phase.

SB fail #4 Is an 18 yr old HCB 9-9? Perhaps I shouldn't report on anyone I haven't met but this one was was a college frosh full time-barely legal and the texting was hot and heavy for several days. When I came up with a concrete plan for FC visitation soon she flaked. She responded that she was a classy girl and didn't have sex on the first date. Sooo, being creative I suggested that the first visit would entail 2 dates. First would be dinner followed by date two in the FC. I think it was too aggressive for her but the drive was 3 1/2 hrs and I was not going there without a guarantee that we were going to be intimate. As someone said you have to make your intentions known without being rude What is it about these girls who want money from us older men but won't put out? Are there guys who actually pay for only arm candy? Not me!

So that's it for now!

[F Scott]

I have found, in my area, Chicago, that the SD4ME babies are a little skankier, while the SA ones are more skittish, but of a consitently higher quality. Sign up for both, with the caveat that SD4ME will bill your sorry ass each month until you cancel that credit card. Read back through the clubhouse journal and you will see various brothers' attempts to deal with it.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

[Revvo]

You know I forgot a lot of things over the years. But one memory was brought back to me today. That is how pleasant it can be to spend a nice sunny morning just chatting and getting to know a beautiful young woman. No pretense, no bullshit, no money negotiation. Just a nice couple of hours talking about what we wanted to talk about. With the ultimate possibility of there being much more. So I saw this profile on SA of a cute but not that great little blond pixie type about 24 yo. But her profile was not great. So I thought to myself. Why the hell not. So I texted her and we had some good banter and so we set up a meet. I gave it 20% chance she would show. We will call her POT RSB3.

Even though we have not hit it yet. I think chances are good we could. So she texted me the night before our scheduled coffee meet, and the morning also. Very prompt and efficient. Once again no bullshit. So I wait and then she is there. Cute as can be I could not believe those were her pictures. She was easily a 9 head and a very sweet little 8. 5 spinner body. A bit on the thin side. But Everything is in the right place. Total amateur I could tell she has never done this before. Actually she said she has only met a couple men and they were awful. I don't know what men are thinking. This girl is very intelligent, reserved, kind of quiet. Kind of watching me. So I started up the charm machine, but I did not need to. We just talked about everything and anything. It was great. Slowly I could see the sexual tension building.

But wait this one could take a while. Even though she is hurting for money. It aint going to happen quickly. But I think my chances are 80% at this point. Considering I only gave her 20% of showing for the meet and greet. We have a lunch date on Friday. We are going to go someplace nice and get her a nice meal and some wine. No FC though. Got to work this for a while and I really am not worrying about it. This is great. I should have done this a long time ago.

I have another meet and greet for tomorrow. Coffee and she is really cute in the pictures. Call her POT RSB4. Kind of Italian looking. Nice body and a great funny personality. We have talked on the phone extensively and chemistry is building. Women need emotional tension. Gents if you are not giving her emotional tension. You are missing out. This one is very much an amateur who has had a bad experience also. I have been treating them good and they are responding well to it. I don't think my profile or offer letter are very effective. But once I get the nibble. My chances go way up. By the way she is not getting too frisky yet either. But she did tell me how much sex she wants and how most men cannot keep up with her. I told her I am up for the job.

On to the blond MILF that I had the marathon fuck session on Monday with. She has texted me twice to come fuck her again. I am going to hold off. She is a very reliable fuck. But I don't see her as long term. Besides she drained me of all fluids. I have to recharge. More of a good standby in a dry spell. I'm such a working girl!

Got to go. Work calls and POT RSB3 is texting me.

Stay safe, stay cool, stay undercover.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

Hi Gents. I have been playing mostly on CL, and did have some luck but it is becoming a graveyard. I've tried SA and SD4M and had very little luck. Perhaps my profile and sales pitch were very inefficient. I like to give these venues another try and would greatly appreciate any help I can get from you master fishermen. What do you say in your profile and offer letters? Please feel free to PM me if you like to lend a helping hand. Thanks

I like SD4ME. Be direct as possible without being vulgar. Works for me.

[Member #5570]

Hi Gents. I have been playing mostly on CL, and did have some luck but it is becoming a graveyard. I've tried SA and SD4M and had very little luck. Perhaps my profile and sales pitch were very inefficient. I like to give these venues another try and would greatly appreciate any help I can get from you master fishermen. What do you say in your profile and offer letters? Please feel free to PM me if you like to lend a helping hand. Thanks

[BigTigger]

Wow, just had this discussion with MsOxyMoron, she's getting them and I'm paying. Get this, she says she's never done it without condoms. So this should be fun. I think the BC will come before she gets a place, I can't wait to see her reaction.

BigTigg.

I do go bare with this girl and I'm contemplating having her go on birth control. I may propose giving her a little extra per- week if she goes on birth control. This way I don't have to worry about pregnancies and I can finish inside.

[John G Smith]

So I pretty much ended things with my now ex-ATF SB. She basically became a Nando1. When we started up, she had an apartment (with roommates) , going to school, and looking for a job. But by the end, she had already gone back home (which she was getting kicked out of) , left school, and still couldn't find a job. She was having a lot of idle time and asking me for more and more money. She also started talking to me less except when she needed money (which wasn't the case before). When I told her I was looking for another SB, she actually wanted to get back together, but I got a bad vibe and just passed. Glad I never went bare with her, my suspicions were later confirmed that she was quite promiscuous with some shady characters.

Backseat SB

After all the drama, I wanted to get back to some simplicity. I've recently gone back to my now 20-year-old (she was 19 when we met) SB from the summer who I hooked up with once a week in the car. I'll call her Backseat SB because that's pretty much the only place where we've been together. After a 2 month break (when I was seeing my ex-ATF SB) , we're now back on the weekly routine. I do go bare with this girl and I'm contemplating having her go on birth control. I may propose giving her a little extra per- week if she goes on birth control. This way I don't have to worry about pregnancies and I can finish inside. I just wish we had a little more mental chemistry. When she's not rocking my world in the backseat of my car, the conversation is very strained. So I don't really want to take her anywhere or go anywhere. Even meeting in an FC might be painful. For what it is, we have a good thing going. She's extremely busy with school and work (which I confirmed through Facebook) and she basically hits me up once a week for extra spending cash (I never initiate contact).

Caretaker SB

This was actually my second ever SB from a year ago. She's 19 now (18 when we met) and I recently contacted her to fire things up again. She's a nursing student (aren't they all) and she takes care of her large family. What was nice about her was that she also took care of my needs and was the constant pleaser. I really shouldn't have dropped her, but I was new to the game so like most newbies to the sugar bowl I was sampling as much sugar as I possibly could. And she was maybe a "7" in the looks department, so she got lost in the shuffle while I was trying to reach for higher. But we actually got a long pretty well, she was great in bed, and wasn't really active in the sugar sites. So I'm giving her another shot and we're actually going to do an overnight this weekend. It's actually going to be my first overnight. Unlike many of you, I don't have business out of town so overnights would catch the attention of the warden. However I've been carefully molding my schedule so an occasional overnighter won't raise too many flags with the warden. So I'm hoping it goes well this weekend.

Otherwise things are beginning to quiet down and it's mostly by choice. I did do a mad dash on SA and SDFM the past couple of weeks, but didn't really find what I was looking for. Also I'm a little bit fatigued now by the Sugar Bowl, so for the next month or so, I'm going to stick with Backseat SB (who I'll see weekly) and Caretaker SB (who I'll see 1-2x a month). It's funny after all my sugar adventures, I'm basically back to the first few original SBs I started out with last year. All the new and recent connections are now dormant or tossed aside.

So I think I'll hang tight for the rest of winter. I'll maybe go on a new hunt around Spring Break.