Massage Parlor Reports

[Joseph Alley]

Well Cashdog has done for me a very great deed. He has helped me to see for the very first time the Kind of Gentlemen that are on this site. You have all one after the other come out in condemnation of Cashdog's action, not of Cashdog. You have all given very sound advice. You have all shown or express respect for these ladies who give you pleasure realizing that they are women, just like your sisters or mothers, who find themselves in situations where they have to do what they are doing rather than steal or beg. Man, all of you without exception have shown they you are real Gentlemen. Just as strongly as you condemn the actions of providers who short clients or give bad service you have come out in all fairness and condemn the actions of one of our own who grossly disrespect a provider by shorting her.

I can only hope that Cashdog will see the wisdom in going and making wrong, right. It really is the only thing that any self-respecting guy would do and I believe Cashdog to be self-respecting.

But I really am proud of you guys and hope that when ever a provider goes the extra mile to make us happy, we will take the extra effort to show our gratitude in a tangible way.

Ok Cashdog, just go and do what your heart is telling you to do and go beyond what you feel like giving. Do it sooner before you change your mind.

Much agreed that this can be fixed. You know we don't always havethe chance to make things right in life; so in those times when opportunity to do so does present itself we ought to sieze it.

I believe that if you go ahead and try PW Herman's advice that it will actually make your day. More than it might hers. I believe that she will likely at least smile, be amazed that you visited for this purpose and aren't necessarily there for a session, and she will at least smile and look at you with gratitude and respect. And if that doesn't warm your soul, if that alone is not "worth the price of admission" so to speak, then you may want to check your pulse because You may have no heart; I say this in a kidding and friendly tone, not believing that you are heartless.

And not that you would but if you did want a selfish motivation here it is: the gals in that Place may all look on you with newfound respect, treat you like a king and a human being and a friend, and perhaps such an act would inspire them to give you special treatment not in terms of extras but in terms of friendliness during a session and prioritizing scheduling you. It would therefore even in the most selfish sense serve you and benefit you moreso than never returning there again.

Of course no one can tell another how to handle his own affairs or how to interact with othera but consider all of these posts well meaning advice.

On a more general note not directed specifically at cash, I am sometimes amazed a the level of indignation of some mongers andthe sense of entitlement. Just imagine if you had subjugated and subjected yourself to giving someone a he or BBBJ and then got stiffed perhaps because your he or level of service wasn't satisfactory according to the client. You'd feel like someone's prison be-tch. You'd feel like hey but I dirtied my hands touching you, dirtied my mouth and psyche gave so much of myself because I am direly in need or at least this is how I support myself. You'd feel like there was no justice about what happened.

See the gals as people. Don't mean to sound pedantic or preachy. I'm not saying anything we don't all know. Just sayin I aloud forthe purpose of this thread as a reminder.

[Alintas]

Much agreed that this can be fixed. You know we don't always havethe chance to make things right in life; so in those times when opportunity to do so does present itself we ought to sieze it.

I believe that if you go ahead and try PW Herman's advice that it will actually make your day. More than it might hers. I believe that she will likely at least smile, be amazed that you visited for this purpose and aren't necessarily there for a session, and she will at least smile and look at you with gratitude and respect. And if that doesn't warm your soul, if that alone is not "worth the price of admission" so to speak, then you may want to check your pulse because You may have no heart; I say this in a kidding and friendly tone, not believing that you are heartless.

And not that you would but if you did want a selfish motivation here it is: the gals in that Place may all look on you with newfound respect, treat you like a king and a human being and a friend, and perhaps such an act would inspire them to give you special treatment not in terms of extras but in terms of friendliness during a session and prioritizing scheduling you. It would therefore even in the most selfish sense serve you and benefit you moreso than never returning there again.

Of course no one can tell another how to handle his own affairs or how to interact with othera but consider all of these posts well meaning advice.

On a more general note not directed specifically at cash, I am sometimes amazed a the level of indignation of some mongers andthe sense of entitlement. Just imagine if you had subjugated and subjected yourself to giving someone a he or BBBJ and then got stiffed perhaps because your he or level of service wasn't satisfactory according to the client. You'd feel like someone's prison be-tch. You'd feel like hey but I dirtied my hands touching you, dirtied my mouth and psyche gave so much of myself because I am direly in need or at least this is how I support myself. You'd feel like there was no justice about what happened.

See the gals as people. Don't mean to sound pedantic or preachy. I'm not saying anything we don't all know. Just sayin I aloud forthe purpose of this thread as a reminder.

First off, I agree that Cash violated our tipping guidelines and more importantly took advantage of the woman's good nataure in that she never asked for a tip prior to the act. I also understand that Cash went into the appointment with Cici willingly and pissed off, not a good combination for a great time. However, lets remember that we have all heard far worse stories about true degenerates that occasionally darken the door of both AMP's and escorts so lets not get carried away with our current condemnations of Cash, whose first post was of all things, a review.

I have always been more impressed with a man who can admit he f'ed up and make it right than one who digs in his heels out of stubbornness (perhaps why I hate all politicians) So Cash, drive to Wilmington and find the woman. Hand her at least $20 and explain that you should have tipped her more when you were there. Tell her she is a nice woman. You may be surprised at her reaction and hell, maybe you will finally get an appointment with Sophia, who is certainly worth the drive but even if you simply hand Cici the additional tip and leave, my guess is that you will both feel better.

One last thing, it is impossible to teach a lesson about bait and switch based on your tip amount. She has limited grasp of our language and my guess is that she has no clue what the B / S concept is. What she does understand is that she tried to make you happy and you shortchanged her.

[Diogenesbarrel]

Royal Thai, recently opened in Cambridge by the same folks who have a place w / the same name in Weymouth.

I asked for a specific girl, based on reviews. I set up a time and when I got there, it turns out it was not that girl. Since I had not seen her before, I was already in the room, paid, etc. Oh yeah, tried to pay by credit card, no machine yet. Asked for a receipt, no receipts yet.

Got a really mediocre massage with no hint of anything extra. We started five minutes late and she ended five minutes early. When I pointed this out, she told me their policy was to allow five minutes to get dressed.

As she left the room, she told me to take my time. I muttered "as long as it's less than five minutes."

At the first sign of things not going well, I should have folded my cards.

That's why they call it TOFTT. Take notice, team!

[AsianLPGAfan]

I've had the same experience: reluctant to get extras out of concern for screwing up a good legit massage.

Recently I got an excellent legit massage; I know extras are available from the same masseuse. I plan to go back, and depending on my mood might or might not want extras. But if I start getting extras from this masseuse I'm wondering if that will screw up how good a legit massage I get when I don't want extras.

Any thoughts or experiences from fellow mongers?

It is something that takes "experience" and feel.

Sometimes you have to go with your gut feeling and make the choice.

Somewhere in RTF land the list of 10 cues for possible extras was posted with some good techniques to show and gauge interest.

I often use simple touch to gauge interest. I don't mean grabbing T and A. If your hand is near a leg, a gentle non threatening touch, maybe even caress briefly and gauge the response.

It is not uncommon for our "hands" to be in the way, she will take them out of "reach" if the possibility for contact exist.

I, think being polite helps and the worse that happens is you are told DIY or "don't do here".

I ve gone back for a good massage after being told "no", so if you go back again for decent body work and you remain pleasant, polite and most important a decent tipper you shouldn't creep her out on future visits.

[RobinHood2]

I don't want to get into a debate with anyone, but I've been around for a long, long time and for an AMP non full service establishment, I truly believe that Ninja is a cut above.

I've been in FL since early December and had some family business to take care of back home so I made a quick trip North and stopped in to see Jen at Ninja. Called in advance, Jen not available, but there were 2 girls I was told, long haired, cute, slender, etc. I booked a time, didn't ask for a name, and arrived right on time. As I was told a cute log haired nicely built girl greeted me warmly and took me into the room right behind the desk. Paid house fee. 6 and got undressed and up on the table. What followed was full hour of medium massage that was effective at making my sore back feel better, and what in my opinion was a really great tease before flip and a very nice, non mechanical finish. Very nice clean up and finish with scalp and neck. I didn't have to much oil because I asked for not to much oil. .4 tip wasn't counted or even looked at. Wasn't discussed beforehand. No games just a full hour with a cute girl younger looking than most other places. I think that all of the girls here welcome you with a smile and do their job with a really good attitude.

It is not FS. It is not, I believe, going to be FS. It is an AMP. R&T (but with a smile and a good attitude). As for roaming I don't think there's a "house policy". I think that some girls are more comfortable than others with what they allow. Be clean, be polite, smile, give a compliment and I think you'll find that you'll be treated well and leave "happy." For my $$ this beats Angel, hands down. Just my opinion.

RH2

[Bigben99]

Offering 4 hands for $80 on CL? Will trade Metrowest info for any feedback.

[Cashdog]

Guys,

I appreciate all the feedback on SOP's around tipping, tips to help ensure you get the girl you came for, best practices for an 'extras' post, etc. I'm not trying to combat the advice your providing but simply laying out all the details of my reasoning at the time. If everyone is in agreement that she should get close to a full tip in this case, then I'll swallow my pride and make it point to return and grant her the extra funds (but no interest in repeat service).

My reasoning at the time was that because the operator who also probably my MT (the burly / rough voice is fairly distinct) had me come down with the expectation to see someone else but actually her (lesson learned, I assumed when arriving that this could only possible be the masssaman and didn't realize until after the tip and undressing that she would be my MT) , provided me the extra services but yet skimped me on time, was that I was not about to go and run out of my way to come back and reward her for this while paying more than budgeted for this awkward visit.

BTW I'm not a clock watcher nor one to comment when get shorted 5-10 mins but the fact that she spent the standard 20-25 mins on my backside followed by 5-10 mins of HE time; this does not add up to an hour. In fact even though I didn't check the time I remembered at the end of my massage I replied to a text message which I just checked now and the text is time stamped 3:34. Seeing I had a 3PM appointment and arrived a couple minutes early, this is still well over 20 minutes I was shorted. Despite my prompting for her to continue the hour massage that I just paid her in full about 30 mins ago she declined, even though she was visibly and admittingly not busy. My guess is that since this MP offer's 30/45/60 minute intervals that she is billing the house 45 mins (or maybe even 30) and pocketing the extra. 15+. So my reasoning since I got shorted well over 15 mins that even though I gave .4 she's actually pocketing at least .55 (again correct me if I'm wrong on this assumption). Either way if your shorted on time by almost 50% I think this should somehow be accounted for?

So maybe I'm a newbie and completely in the wrong, which where at least in good karma and respect to the industry I will return and settle the difference. I'm not trying to argue that I'm in the right but simply laying out the facts. I put up this post in the hopes to caution fellow monger's from getting the same disappointing experience while also not having to get stuck in the uncomfortable position of having to come up with additional funds then even planned for.

I would like to think that since several fellow mongers have came forward that have actually visited this MP and have backed me on their overall dissatisfaction with this MT and that they too did not ante up full fee should hold at least some indication (and despite her premium services not one previous positive post on her). I'm trying to be respectful to this MT by just noting her appearance as unattractive (PM me for more details) when my opinion she really has no business other than being the massaman. Which is why I and the others who have visited her will not repeat and despite the extra rare holy grail service she provides, none of us recommend or will revisit her. If your solely looking for the 'extra service' and completely have no regard for looks, age (mid 50's at best) , personality, english skills, and being shorted almost 50% on time – then once the hype dies down here than it would be worth staggering a visit to this MP at some point.

I'm open to constructive criticism but also I should not be bashed by simply sharing my negative experience. I will take the advice and next time I will just post 'overall poor experience, skimped on time, did not get the girl I came for but did get some extra attention, PM for details'. Lesson learned but not very insightful towards cautioning other mongers about what they can expect or look out for here.

We all leave places unhapy once in awhile. Shit happens. I just wanted to point out to you that the example you gave us in defense was for a 30 minute session and the tip was. 35 which was even more than you gave at first. So if the example you gave was an hour session I'm assuming (could be bad move) the tip would have been larger. If not we would have treated him just like we did you. Of course most of us would have given a larger donation than the. 35 even for a half that included a BBBJ but whatever. But your post also smacked of 'look what I did which isn't welcome here if it indeed shows disrespect to those who don't deserve it. We are a clusterfuck of gents here but we do police ourselves.

To make another assumption. You went in with a 100 bill (you said you asked for change for a hundred) which you intended on spending which a lot of us do. If you unexpectedly (assuming you hadn't read other reviews noting a BBBJ) got more than you thought and didn't have enough tip then give the 40 and explain you would give more the next visit. That has happened to me several times and I have gone back to see her and given her a bit more and she / they has given me even better service as they don't forget. But instead you short tipped even the amount of change you received back (and she knew you had 40 in your pocket). Not smart and not respectful. Lastly you mentioned you talked to an operator. No one has mentioned (that I recall) the ladies leave the room to answer calls so it is not a stretch to assume they don't amswer calls themselves (could be wrong) and from what has been said you probably couldn't have understood CiCi / DeeDee if she answered. You also are giving these ladies far more credit as being smart business people. The set-up of a 'hot' young girl and an older lady are fairly common as is getting people to come over even if the one asked for is busy. We can counter act that but just explaining you came for xxx and leaving. You might be surprised that they tell you to stay and xxx will be available in xx minutes. Who knows.

From your follow-up responses it sounds like you just don't understand or don't care so all this back and forth is for naught as is your request for SOP. So if you ever want any help from here just man-up (if possible) and say you fucked up and were wrong. Go back and have another massage with her and give her what she deserved from your previous visit before you start. You may be surprised.

Another thought from the sidelines. Any issue that brings BaconBits and I to the same side is a slam dunk with no wiggle room. Just a thought. SO

[Member #4868]

First off, I agree that Cash violated our tipping guidelines and more importantly took advantage of the woman's good nataure in that she never asked for a tip prior to the act. I also understand that Cash went into the appointment with Cici willingly and pissed off, not a good combination for a great time. However, lets remember that we have all heard far worse stories about true degenerates that occasionally darken the door of both AMP's and escorts so lets not get carried away with our current condemnations of Cash, whose first post was of all things, a review.

I have always been more impressed with a man who can admit he f'ed up and make it right than one who digs in his heels out of stubbornness (perhaps why I hate all politicians) So Cash, drive to Wilmington and find the woman. Hand her at least $20 and explain that you should have tipped her more when you were there. Tell her she is a nice woman. You may be surprised at her reaction and hell, maybe you will finally get an appointment with Sophia, who is certainly worth the drive but even if you simply hand Cici the additional tip and leave, my guess is that you will both feel better.

One last thing, it is impossible to teach a lesson about bait and switch based on your tip amount. She has limited grasp of our language and my guess is that she has no clue what the B / S concept is. What she does understand is that she tried to make you happy and you shortchanged her.

[Victorth]

I've had the same experience: reluctant to get extras out of concern for screwing up a good legit massage.

Recently I got an excellent legit massage; I know extras are available from the same masseuse. I plan to go back, and depending on my mood might or might not want extras. But if I start getting extras from this masseuse I'm wondering if that will screw up how good a legit massage I get when I don't want extras.

Any thoughts or experiences from fellow mongers?

I've been twice. Had really great legit massages (one foot reflexology, one 4 hand body). Haven't tried for more since I wasnt in the mood for extras. But the massage girl here is a cutie. Would love to see whats on the table (leg touching, roaming hands) but now I think it is awkward since I have been for legit a few times and like it. I don't want to blow up my good local legit place. But heck a great massage plus a nice tease & HE. That would be perfect.

[Diogenesbarrel]

I have had some fun times with Sophia and the last time, though I had booked an appt in advance, she told me she was busy and her boss would be there momentarily for me. I told Sophia this was not acceptable and I would wait for her. I wound up waiting a half hour and got my fun hour.

IF I had agreed to see the other woman, I would not hold it against Sophia or the other woman for what would be MY choice. You takes your chances, you plays the hand you're dealt.

And as much fun as I had w / Sophia, I would only see her again if I was close by. Driving that far (for me) w / no guarantee of an appt is not appealing.

[Stressed Out]

I recalled seeing this similar report here where another monger recently left unhappy after the bait and switch. So looks like I'm not the only unhappy monger here who wasn't willing to pay full price.

We all leave places unhapy once in awhile. Shit happens. I just wanted to point out to you that the example you gave us in defense was for a 30 minute session and the tip was. 35 which was even more than you gave at first. So if the example you gave was an hour session I'm assuming (could be bad move) the tip would have been larger. If not we would have treated him just like we did you. Of course most of us would have given a larger donation than the. 35 even for a half that included a BBBJ but whatever. But your post also smacked of 'look what I did which isn't welcome here if it indeed shows disrespect to those who don't deserve it. We are a clusterfuck of gents here but we do police ourselves.

To make another assumption. You went in with a 100 bill (you said you asked for change for a hundred) which you intended on spending which a lot of us do. If you unexpectedly (assuming you hadn't read other reviews noting a BBBJ) got more than you thought and didn't have enough tip then give the 40 and explain you would give more the next visit. That has happened to me several times and I have gone back to see her and given her a bit more and she / they has given me even better service as they don't forget. But instead you short tipped even the amount of change you received back (and she knew you had 40 in your pocket). Not smart and not respectful. Lastly you mentioned you talked to an operator. No one has mentioned (that I recall) the ladies leave the room to answer calls so it is not a stretch to assume they don't amswer calls themselves (could be wrong) and from what has been said you probably couldn't have understood CiCi / DeeDee if she answered. You also are giving these ladies far more credit as being smart business people. The set-up of a 'hot' young girl and an older lady are fairly common as is getting people to come over even if the one asked for is busy. We can counter act that but just explaining you came for xxx and leaving. You might be surprised that they tell you to stay and xxx will be available in xx minutes. Who knows.

From your follow-up responses it sounds like you just don't understand or don't care so all this back and forth is for naught as is your request for SOP. So if you ever want any help from here just man-up (if possible) and say you fucked up and were wrong. Go back and have another massage with her and give her what she deserved from your previous visit before you start. You may be surprised.

Another thought from the sidelines. Any issue that brings BaconBits and I to the same side is a slam dunk with no wiggle room. Just a thought. SO

[Rule43]

I'd like to bring up one additional point that hasn't been mentioned. Many places do NOT want their girls to provide extras like the BJ described in the original post. If you mention this in a review that includes the name of the provider, she could be fired if management reads about it. I know some owners do read the posts on this board (and if not, they probably should, and perhaps think about posting ads in the classified advertising section).

If you aren't sure about the house policy regarding these services, it might be better to omit the name of the provider. It's easy enough to provide that information in a private message to interested members who have posted a few reviews (and are therefore less likely to be LE, or the owner of the place in question).

It can be tricky to figure out just how much information to include in a public post, especially when you're reviewing a place that has just opened. Sometimes it might be best to simply mention that you left a larger than customary tip. But if you do that, please offer to provide additional details via PM to those of us who would like to know more.

A couple of things. I was hoping you were full of shit. Now assuming you are truthful. You are wrong! You are wrong on many levels. She was a pro not asking for money up front. That's part of a mongers wish list.

Listen carefully. Next time, to "teach her a lesson: 1.) walk out and tell her you are disappointed 2.) get a massage with no HE and tip accordingly 3.) go with the flow and pay accordingly, you may be surprised. What you did was disrespectful. You essentially used her and cheated her. If you were in a grocery store you would be shoplifting.

You were wrong and you need to man up and fix it. Go give the lady what she deserves!

BB

[Member #5013]

Guys,

The moral of the story here is I'm not going to reward her for pulling the bait and switch. The MT was the same person I spoke to over the phone with when I specifically requested Sophia. So she very dam well knew she was taking a risk. What if I had been a previous client of Sophia's? In that case it would of been a waste of both are times as I would of left on the spot and gave the business to one of my go to younger, sexier MT's.

The monkey wrench here is the extra unsolicited service. I came prepared for standard fee and being a heterosexual male I was not about to turn down the extra service (I'm still fairly a novice here, so feel free to share SOP's). This is the grey area here, I did not want to reward her for pulling the B&S but also not want to discount on the extra service. I can only assume since the other girl here seems to be the main attraction, that she needs to go the extra mile to try and maintain repeat business. Even though I don't plan on going back to her I'm sure after this post her phones lighting up this week.

In my eyes though she earned an extra. 4 that day that she wouldn't have, by being a "savvy" business woman. If you were to buy pats tix on see-list in section 100 and then show up and find there section 300 but instead he will also throw in an extra case of beer, would you still pay full price?

So it's not so much I was shorted 15 mins or didn't get a 2nd pop that I shorted her, I wanted to at least make the point that she would not be fully rewarded for the B&S. I wasn't looking to skimp her on the extra service part, but again this was unexpected.

Feel free to let me know if I'm in the wrong here. Not looking to hurt chances on mongers future visits here but not about to reward her for pulling the B&S (although at least she tried to make up for it).

A couple of things. I was hoping you were full of shit. Now assuming you are truthful. You are wrong! You are wrong on many levels. She was a pro not asking for money up front. That's part of a mongers wish list.

Listen carefully. Next time, to "teach her a lesson: 1.) walk out and tell her you are disappointed 2.) get a massage with no HE and tip accordingly 3.) go with the flow and pay accordingly, you may be surprised. What you did was disrespectful. You essentially used her and cheated her. If you were in a grocery store you would be shoplifting.

You were wrong and you need to man up and fix it. Go give the lady what she deserves!

BB

[Footrubs]

Anyone have any info on new-ish place on Union Ave in Framingham. Its right across street from PD.

I've been twice. Had really great legit massages (one foot reflexology, one 4 hand body). The grand opening / winter specials on massage and even 4 hand are a good deal. Haven't tried for more since I wasnt in the mood for extras. Have gone elsewhere in town for that (FBW etc). But the massage girl here is a cutie. Would love to see whats on the table (leg touching, roaming hands) but now I think it is awkward since I have been for legit a few times and like it. I don't want to blow up my good local legit place. But heck a great massage plus a nice tease & HE. That would be perfect.

Any info. Post here or PM me. Much appreciated.

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/thp/3579696817.html

[Cashdog]

I recalled seeing this similar report here where another monger recently left unhappy after the bait and switch. So looks like I'm not the only unhappy monger here who wasn't willing to pay full price.

Went to BL in Wilmington today (7007) for the 1st time after seeing ad on CL and hearing generally good things about Sophia. Called ahead (always a good idea, right?) , made appointment for mid-afternoon, requested her specifically. Woman I spoke to asked me to arrive 30 mins later, which I took as a good indication things would line up. I arrived exactly on time and was met by a woman in her mid- to late-40s, maybe older, friendly enough but notably unattractive. There were voices coming from one of the rooms and I was quickly ushered into the first room by the door, which had only a couch and some basic furniture in it. A kind of hanging out room. Suddenly the second room door opened and out came a fairly appealing much younger masseuse with a red-pink streak in her long hair. Was that Sophia? (don't know, but she was definitely the better of the two). She and my companion exchanged some serious talk in a hurry and I was steered into the couch room. Door closes, lights down, and in very bad English I was pointed to the couch and told I could have 30 mins only (I always opt for an hour, but this seemed like an appropriate duration considering). Should have left instead, but you know how it goes. I undressed, settled onto my stomach on the couch and realized it was too short so my legs hung over the armrest. Something told me I wasn't getting any kind of therapeutic massage on this day.

She ("DeeDee") started on my back with a bit of oil, quickly got to business and began stimulating the boys, gaining the desired effect. After a few minutes of this I turned over and was allowed some UTC roaming up top (not much there so I stopped). A good amount of baby oil was applied and the HR process began. Had to slow her down as it was all too mechanical. To my surprise she began a decent BBBJ (was surprised because there was baby oil there). Both techniques applied simultaneously quickly worked. BBJCIMTC (spit). She left and returned with a hot towel and helped clean me up). I can't say it was terrible; it was ok (if very fast) , but the combination of room and masseuse change, hurry-up technique, and unappealing atmosphere makes it a definite no repeat. I was back in my car exactly 18 minutes after entering. Damage. 45 (base rate for 30) +.35. Got a look from her after counting it out in front of me like WTF, but I thought I was overly generous given the circumstances.