"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**AOneFred7734** · 10-16-12 18:02

Originally Posted by Dodgeboy27 [View Original Post]

Years of watching this thread, but never really thought about getting in because I don't trust pay sites and therefore never tried SA or SD4Me or any of the other sites. However, I did post an ad on CL that was heavily implying the sort of arrangement I was looking for.

2 ladies answered. One was a lady in her mid 40s, blonde, nice rack, killer bod. Definitely not a pro. The other was likely a pro, much younger, who was looking to move to another series.

In short order both ladies proved their worth and had my toes tapping in a minimum amount of time. Both met me at my "home", where small take gave way to light kissing which graduated to heavy kissing and soon we'd retired to the bedroom. I think the older of the two is probably just looking for a fun distraction from dealing with her miserable ex. We do a good bit of commiserating about our past and present circumstances. We also do a good deal of kissing and touching. Lots more fun than the classic pay for play scenario. The whole thing has more the feel of an affair, but with the financial aspect to keep it in perspective. To date I've never gotten texts from her at inopportune moments.

The younger gal is more into the sex and $ aspect and feels very much like straight pay for play. As a result, times with her are more regimented and mechanical. Given my choices, I don't call her much unless the older gal is out of town. We it not for the younger gal having the sweetest pussy I've ever seen, I would probably never call her. LOL.

Both claim to be unable to have children but I'm keeping the helmet. I find that most women over a certain age who already have a couple kids generally don't want anymore and have usually had some sort of procedure to make sure it doesn't happen but it's not worth risking an 18+ year commitment, either.

Anyway, I'll keep more up to date on this thread and have more to offer as time goes on.

Later.

DB27

My gun got blanks in it but still play safe.

**Member #4183** · 10-16-12 16:46

Years of watching this thread, but never really thought about getting in because I don't trust pay sites and therefore never tried SA or SD4Me or any of the other sites. However, I did post an ad on CL that was heavily implying the sort of arrangement I was looking for.

2 ladies answered. One was a lady in her mid 40s, blonde, nice rack, killer bod. Definitely not a pro. The other was likely a pro, much younger, who was looking to move to another series.

In short order both ladies proved their worth and had my toes tapping in a minimum amount of time. Both met me at my "home", where small take gave way to light kissing which graduated to heavy kissing and soon we'd retired to the bedroom. I think the older of the two is probably just looking for a fun distraction from dealing with her miserable ex. We do a good bit of commiserating about our past and present circumstances. We also do a good deal of kissing and touching. Lots more fun than the classic pay for play scenario. The whole thing has more the feel of an affair, but with the financial aspect to keep it in perspective. To date I've never gotten texts from her at inopportune moments.

The younger gal is more into the sex and $ aspect and feels very much like straight pay for play. As a result, times with her are more regimented and mechanical. Given my choices, I don't call her much unless the older gal is out of town. We it not for the younger gal having the sweetest pussy I've ever seen, I would probably never call her. LOL.

Both claim to be unable to have children but I'm keeping the helmet. I find that most women over a certain age who already have a couple kids generally don't want anymore and have usually had some sort of procedure to make sure it doesn't happen but it's not worth risking an 18+ year commitment, either.

Anyway, I'll keep more up to date on this thread and have more to offer as time goes on.

Later.

DB27

**Hernando** · 10-15-12 11:09

Well, good news / bad news.

I trucked two hours at 8 pm to M&G this girl at a hotel bar. She was coughing and relatively inscrutable, but attractive enough. We had a drink and chatted. Or at least I chattered and she coughed. She obviously wasn't feeling it that night and I thought it was a bust because she sent me naked pictures and a BJ pic. When I got home she had emailed me and wanted to see me again. When we parted I made it clear that if we met again it would be in the hotel room so we shall see. I told her we had at least 3 or 4 candidates for her gang bang so she just smiled. We'll see if she is all talk or not.

SDFM: I have a M&G scheduled tomorrow night and if the price is right I think it could be good. She was in a 2 year SD relationship so she wants the long term thing that I do. She is mid 20s and very hot looking in a girl next door way.

ATF : I continue to beat my head against the wall trying to lure her back. I'm beginning to lose hope but I will keep trying until she gets a restraining order LOL. I text or email her every week or so so I wouldn't call it harassment. I hope she doesn't.

My apt has all kinds of hot babes but I need to figure out how to meet them. Everybody keeps pretty much to themselves there.

Tonight I have a date with one of my 2 fav escorts to at least get the pumps drained until I can line up a regular.

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-14-12 20:15

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

I saw a report of a similar experience. The first outbreak was very severe. After that the guy occcasionally felt an itch coming on and he would resume the pills for a week. He never knew if the itch was the sign of a forthcoming outbreak. Nonetheless he took the pills for a week and there was no further outbreak. After a year or so he never felt another itch and never took another pill.

Interestingly, he had difficulty getting his Rx renewed. All he had was an itch. The doctor did not want to write an Rx without seeing an outbreak. The guy posted he raised enough Hell in the office he got his Rx renewed.

What you read is pretty typical. The worst outbreak is always the initial one, and someone can have a "outbreak" (with an increased risk of infecting others) without any symptoms (even a "mild itching"). Condoms help during outbreaks, but may not always cover the infectious sites.

The doctor you referenced was an idiot, for that very reason. If anyone has had an HSV infection (1 or 2) it should be a "lifetime ticket" to his / her antiviral of choice.

Be careful, everyone. Remember that this will NEVER be a 100% safe hobby.

Dr. Feelgood

**ILikeHotWomen** · 10-13-12 15:32

I would hope that this guy was joking, but I know there are is some weird shit out there. I set up a sb profile to see what kind of messages the girls receive and here was one I had to post:

"I want to experience being the toilet of a white girl. No sex, no drama, no risk to you. I will pay $800 each time I visit you and experience being your toilet. No sex. No friendship or even conversation needed. You can just come by to my hotel and use me as your foot stool and toilet and then leave. Only to return the next time you need to go. I will pay $800 for each such day.

Your brown skinned toilet"

**Golfcart** · 10-13-12 12:44

Originally Posted by Zomby [View Original Post]

*** My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. ***/z

I saw a report of a similar experience. The first outbreak was very severe. After that the guy occcasionally felt an itch coming on and he would resume the pills for a week. He never knew if the itch was the sign of a forthcoming outbreak. Nonetheless he took the pills for a week and there was no further outbreak. After a year or so he never felt another itch and never took another pill.

Interestingly, he had difficulty getting his Rx renewed. All he had was an itch. The doctor did not want to write an Rx without seeing an outbreak. The guy posted he raised enough Hell in the office he got his Rx renewed.

**Zomby** · 10-12-12 18:54

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

Joe,

Thanks for sharing, and my commiseration as well.

A question: Did the test confirm HSV2, or are you making that assumption based on the presence of "genital" bumps, rather than facial ones? If you are, that is not indicative. I presume it's the test, but it's worth making sure.

However, I want to point out that you got a wake up call with just cold water, instead of the scalding deluge it could have been. I realize that HSV is no walk in the park, but something like HEP or HIV could have been worse, infinitely so in one case.

I'd also like to offer some hope. If you are lucky, you may not suffer very much at all. In this day and age, HSV, even the genital "2" variety, is largely cosmetic, especially with the medical regimens available today. My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. (:

I'm not trying to say you have nothing to worry about, far from it, especially as regards your marriage, but it may not be the devastatingly horrible thing you might be envisioning right now.

Best wishes,

/z

**ILikeHotWomen** · 10-12-12 15:01

So I know that a lot of members that post here are from places outside of Richmond. I just set up a fake profile on SA seeing what all was out there and the responses some of these guys send the ladies. Heh Would some of you mind sharing some tips on which sites are the best for Richmond and what has given you the best luck? Feel free to post here or message.

**John G Smith** · 10-11-12 04:19

Thanks for sharing Joe. It's very sobering to hear. And it's a big kick in the gut to see this happen to one of our brothers.

To be honest, anybody who frequents AMPs, escorts, and etc for any length of time (which is 90% of the people on this site) is going to have encountered someone with HSV at some point and it's pretty much just a coin toss on whether you contract it or not because condoms aren't fully protective of it. I've always assumed every sex worker has herpes because it's just so prevalent and easy to spread.

So the question becomes, can you afford to get herpes in your personal situation. I think what makes Joe's situation thorny is that his wife is still looking to have kids. Despite its negative connotation, herpes is pretty much benign aside from the initial infection period. The only serious health issue with herpes is if a woman becomes pregnant.

I know for my situation, I already have kids, no plans to have more. Giving my wife herpes wouldn't be good, but I've already at various points contemplated divorce. So if the marriage ended, it wouldn't be the end of the world. However I know some SDs / Mongers here are indeed happily married or at the very least looking to maintain their marriage long-term. If that's the case, you should seriously consider reevaluating the risks because herpes is so easy to spread, it's not really a matter of "if" it's "when".

Also for those of us in the Sugar Bowl, BB activities are a common place so our risks for things like this are even higher. What was sobering for me hearing Joe's story is that until this year when I officially got into the sugar bowl, I had never done any BB activities. In all my years of going to AMPs and seeing escorts, I think I got one BBBJ and never BBFS. Yet this year alone in the sugar bowl, I've had BBFS with three different SBs and BBBJ with every SB I got intimate with. The girls I had BBFS were between 18-20 and had very few previous sexual partners. But according to studies this is actually the highest risk group because they're least likely to use any form of protection.

The downside to the Sugar Bowl is that for some of us we get too brazen playing without a helmet. The girls we see just seem "normal" and since they're not blatantly screwing 6-12 guys a day in a hotel or massage parlor, we often forget about the real risks that are still there. I'm definitely guilty of this.

Joe I know you're in a rough spot right now. But you're not the first SD or will you be the last that has HSV-2, and many still play in the sugar bowl. Ethically you may want to limit yourself to covered activities but as mentioned before herpes is extremely widespread that I'd wager the majority of the SDs / SBs who've lived the lifestyle for a while probably have it even if they're not aware of it. Same thing for those that frequent escorts, street-walkers, and AMPs. It's the dirty little secret that rarely gets discussed on this site.

I'm just rambling now but Joe I hope you make it through your situation. It's definitely eye-opening and it has injected some hard bits of reality into this forum.

**AOneFred7734** · 10-10-12 19:42

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.

I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.

Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.

HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org Yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.

I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).

HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.

There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)

I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.

All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.

Regards,

Joe

I have seen 3 diff, post just to day! About that kind of thing. Is makeing Me rethink all this.

**JoesParty** · 10-10-12 16:04

Gentlemen,

I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.

I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.

Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.

HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.

I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).

HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.

There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)

I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.

All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.

Regards,

Joe

**Mr Strict** · 10-09-12 21:14

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?

Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage

FVCK THAT!

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. (So what?)

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half. (Which you are willing to provide.)

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work. (Good thing. Don't want to be plowing daddy's little girl while he's pounding Jack in the kitchen.)

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor? (Pretty fvcking fast with keys in hand!)

Please keep supplying power to the auxiliary brain and stay engaged.

Dude! Have a plan, show up and pound her into the mattress! Drunk dad ain't coming home from work. And how long you going to spend there anyway? Get in, do the nasty, several times if possible and GTFO.

Remember: If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.

Or not.

Strict

The Contrarian

**VAJimbo** · 10-09-12 18:35

Originally Posted by FeelGoodMd [View Original Post]

First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?

For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.

I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.

What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.

Dr. Feelgood.

I have long ago stopped chasing girls (follow yes) and she was put on the PNG list long ago, you will know here by her email handle LoveGee / LoveGee1. I'm not worried about my email address as it is a hobby email and I'm not married so little chance of it coming back on me (not impossible).

The thing is would you listen to someone out of the blue? While she is on my do not call list I do not want to antagonize her and end up on a list someplace and have to rebuild my persona.

In the end I'll probably get an email address on one of the services I never use and send him a short email but, I wonder will it help or will no good dead go unpunished?

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 18:35

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Got a wink and reply from a SB on SA. Scanning through the computer memory banks, data was spewed out that she did so on tow past occasions and each time a variant of the same story. Her modeling manager took her $ used and abused her, she is living with mom now and needs help getting an apt etc.

So I am just waiting to what the version is this time 1092233.

Engage of to new star systems

Euro,

Images dot google dot com is a daddy's best friend. However it works, just copy and paste your SB's photo into the search bar. This one may be a real person, but I'm guessing not who she tells you she is. Not a wonder, since you already had her pegged as a scammer, but it does cut down on the wasted effort. I do this now as Standard Operating Procedure if the pics look too good to be true, which her's did, at least to me.

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 18:23

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?

Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage

Good catch, Euro!

My advice would have been "what do you have to lose, hit it once and quit it if needs be". Never thought of Drunk Dad bursting in with phasers on stun, or worse! Definitely time to seek out other star systems.

May we all live long and prosper!