"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-04-12 18:21

Thank you, GC, for putting so much thought into your comment. I would claim that I've been reflecting on my own reply for the past two days, but in all honesty (intellectual and otherwise) I haven't been on the board since my last post.

Some of what I would have said in reply has already been voiced by SubCmdr, so there's no need to repeat it. I will grant that I could have handled the conversation in a more chivalrous manner, but I ask you to reconsider your implication that I am mean spirited and am not a gentleman. Were this the 18th century I might throw my glove at your feet and challenge you to a duel to uphold my honor, but in our circumstances that is highly impractical and (let's face it) rather childish.

I agree that my answer was a slap in the face. It was not intended primarily to hurt or punish, however, but rather to be a "wake-up call." I do (still) like her immensely, want her to be happy and successful in life, and have never said / texted a cross word to her other than that final message. I would like to think that, once she gets past the hurt, she will recognize that she must have crossed a very important line to have drawn a response so cold and "mean spirited."

Again, thank you for the thoughtful and thought provoking response (and to you, SubCmdr, for providing another well-reasoned perspective).

Dr. Feelgood.

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.

FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.

She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her.

There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."

This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

**SubCmdr** · 10-04-12 17:30

One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.

I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. Do people go on tangents that I find uninteresting? They sure do. Do I usually feel the need to comment on the quality of the posts. No!

I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.

SubCmdr out

**Hornytoad1** · 10-04-12 17:12

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.

I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)

Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.

I did enjoy the read but at the same time was thinking I'm glad its not me, Let us know when the "shit hits the fan" Not if but when.

Thanks

**John G Smith** · 10-04-12 16:49

Yeah HG's post was fine. Honestly anytime any of us reports on a good encounter with a SB it could be considered bragging, so I don't think it's a big deal. Not every report has to be a sob / horror story. We're all in different situations so we may have different experiences with our good encounters.

Anyway, I've always dreamed about having a SB work for me but it just seems waay to risky for me to ever give it serious consideration. I don't like the idea of my sugar life bleeding into my work life if something went wrong. And HG even though you're single, you still have to worry about the possibility of a sexual harassment charge down the line if she turns bitter. So be careful!

**Varoom** · 10-04-12 14:23

Originally Posted by WoodSlinger [View Original Post]

That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.

Disagree / Nothing out of line here from HG. This arrangement certainly wouldn't be for everybody but it is certainly SB related and an oddity at that. Enjoyed the read and certainly others will too.

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.

Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.

You must be a freakin daredevil HG. You enjoy high-speed chases and you've got one here that appears to be taking corners at very high speeds. How long has this been going on, and more importantly, how long do you think that it can continue before one of them goes off-point BIG time? Just curious. But more power to ya HG and enjoy each and every minute of it. Seems like the only thing that you are missing here is incorporating a 3way; except the risk there might be that they fall for one another and cut ole HG out. All the best in your endeavor here.

**EuroInCincy** · 10-04-12 14:23

Originally Posted by WoodSlinger [View Original Post]

That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.

YES I agree. Most of his posts are like that, I did made a comment once, but then he seems oblivious and just wants to show all here how good he is.

**WoodSlinger** · 10-04-12 09:29

That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.

I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)

Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-04-12 03:23

Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.

I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)

Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.

**Golfcart** · 10-03-12 21:03

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.

That my man is intellectual honesty!

SubCmdr out!

Not exactly. SubCmdr's girl is being totally honest how things will transpire. Good that SubCmdr is told upfront he will be paying for the flight and some other guy will likely pork her while she is in country and he (the other guy) won't be contributing to the cost of the flight. That's honesty. That's not intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty is all about problem solving.

Consider problem solving in a way that balances all possible solutions. The solution chosen is the best solution using unbiased logic. The deck is not stacked in the thought process that favors one solution over another in other words. An unbiased process is being intellectually honest. Or so I think.

**John G Smith** · 10-03-12 20:44

A couple of months ago, I posted that I sent this pot SB some money to move out of a bad situation even though I had never met her. It was a gamble but she was a cute petite little thing and clearly was new at this. Well a couple of weeks after I sent her the money, she just dropped out of contact completely. She stopped responding to txts and emails altogether.

I pretty much wrote off the money I sent her as a loss, but I noticed her profile appeared again on the SA sites, so I decided to send one more email. A wrote a pretty strong email to make her feel a little guilty about disappearing but I was careful not to be too bitter / angry so I wouldn't completely burn the bridge. This time she finally responded and was extremely apologetic. Furthermore she said she was ready to finally meet and start the arrangement (I wasn't asking for this in my email).

I'm obviously cautious but she offered to send some naughty pics / vids of her to convince me she's ready.

If I were to guess, I think she had a sugar daddy or two when she was off the radar. She seems much more comfortable with "putting out" in a SD / SB relationship.

So we'll see how the next week goes, but if it goes well I may bring her in to the stable. She has the body type I like and doesn't live too far away. I'll call her "Petite SB."

And as for the "6/6 SB", I never bothered to get tested (honestly I just didn't have the time). But this week she dropped that requirement and we can get down with covers without me having to take a test. I guess she finally got desperate since I basically refused to see her until that was sorted out. Still, she lives farther away than I like, so we'll see.

Assuming Petite SB isn't trying to scam me again, I might move her to my number one slot. The lesson here is that you never know when the Future's Market can pay off. Just because it doesn't pay off right away, don't burn the bridges. Give yourself the flexibility to keep sending feelers for at least 6 months down the line.

**SubCmdr** · 10-02-12 15:54

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.

That my man is intellectual honesty!

SubCmdr out!

**Hernando** · 10-02-12 15:44

OK SubCmdr, here's the rate in all but nova area of Va. Escorts charge $200-400 / hr, excluding the GPS Pros. (remember Gov Spitzer at $5000 / hr ). CL and BP girls break it down by 15 minute segments and can charge $50- 150 / session (< hour ). SWs charge $20-50 per blow or quick in and out (so to speak ). The sky is the limit with GPS girls who think their pussy is different from every one else's. We all know that they are pretty much the same. The difference lies in the emotional desires that the SD has in order to get a certain level of attention and personality they are looking for. My SB I totally adored and treated me like a king only asked for $300 / session, which was usually 12 hours at least. I was able to see her twice / week so she banked a serious amount of money from the repeat visits. So she was smart in not being greedy and made a lot more than a GPS who struggled to land a sucker for the big score occasionally. A prior SB was a Nando 1 and got $100 / overnight, but the service was not nearly as reliable or satisfying. Anyone charging by the hour is an out and escort and should be looked at as such. A true SB in my opinion should expect a flat fee for an extended relationship.

**SubCmdr** · 10-02-12 15:44

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

A sugar baby would have asked for her expenses for travel to be covered. A garden tool wants to be paid to travel. FeelGoodMD's sugar baby decided to renegotiate the arrangement effectively requesting a increase in sugar amount above and beyond her travel costs. She was the one engaged in intellectual dishonestly. And in the end decided what she really was and what was really important to her.

The good Dr simply gave to her straight no chase. Looked her straight in her face and just told her like is!

SubCmdr Out.

P. S. Don't hate the player hate the game. Our greater society has written the rules, not me.

**Golfcart** · 10-02-12 15:01

I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.

FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.

She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her. With the territory came a new set of income and expense needs including being 6 hours, 300 miles round trip from home. At some point she returned home to attend a family wedding. They played and he gave her the usual.

The amount of "the usual" was not disclosed.

There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."

This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.

Originally Posted by FeelGoodMd [View Original Post]

Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are.

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

**EuroInCincy** · 10-02-12 09:34

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Although I'm not actively "looking" right now,

Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel.

Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.

Stay safe,

Joe

It is always fun to get a request for gas $. Luckily I have my trusted starship onboard computer to calculate how much $ they need for a certain trip, and when my computer tells me that a mere 5 gallons should get them to my planets location, yet they ask for a 50 gallon transfer of currency, it is safe to say steer 180 degree, warp speed 5. The other point which this indicates, if they really need gas $, they are on there last dime and the next request will be. $ for cell phones. $ for rent which is 2 months late. Through the years I found out that the long term ones are the ones who don't ask for anything. But yes it teas sometimes 4. 6 months of galaxy exploration. Meeting many short term landings. BUT it is the long term ones whom make the travel worth it.

Engage