"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Hernando** · 08-15-12 10:30

Welcome to the sugarbowl!

I'm sure most of the guys here would recommend reading the entire blog from beginning to end and your questions will be answered.

Of note, you are definitely on the young side and are actually in the proper age range of college girls and early 20s. My advice is save your money and get a girl IRL. Us old folks have to pay the youngsters to go out with us unfortunately.

**SuperNot** · 08-14-12 19:15

Hey guys, first time poster, long time reader. I may or may not be younger than the typical demographic on SA, but I am in my mid-20s, just go out of a fairly long / messy relationship and is not interested in any serious dating. I came across the website sometime ago and thought it might be a good place to start a "straightforward" NSA relationship with someone. My goal would be find a college SB.

So, I was just wondering if anyone has any advice for someone in my situation. I am very fortunate career wise and have a stable job and everything.

**Hernando** · 08-14-12 13:20

I'm beginning to sound like you Scotty with the ATF in, then out, in, out. But I broke things off with her 8 days ago because W is getting more aware of my techniques and intensifying the pressure. It was very tearful and she pretty much took me seriously and was in the process of moving on. It was excruciatingly sad and I tendered an olive branch requesting a revisiting of my decision. She rebuffed me for a day or two but in the end we spent the night together last PM and were back to our old ways. We had a talk about this risky behavior and have focused on the long run planning to meet a little less frequently but ever so intensely. She even stopped her Birth Control which made me feel good that she didn't have another dick lined up to service her.

Interestingly, she has always made it clear that I am not the guy she could bring home to family and friends because of my age but I am content with the love and affection that she does give me. It is far more rewarding than marriage and the attendant problems that always seem to be there. What a testimony to the state of marriage

**SubCmdr** · 08-13-12 16:08

WPAD (Weapon of Pussy and Ass Destruction)

A fearsome warhead deployed at close range. Has been designed to penetrate deeply and leave gaping holes in the target. Has also been known to cause involuntary muscle contractions and scramble synaptic pathways. Both which can result in loss of verbal function and induce hysterical screaming. Reports of women having religious experiences while being penetrated by the WPAD have been reported. The safest action for a woman targeted by the WPAD is to immediately drop to her knees, lay down or bend over. Relax, take it and don't forget to breathe.

SubCmdr out.

Originally Posted by ChiGuy606 [View Original Post]

"WPAD"? I think I may have missed that one, can you translate?

**ChiGuy606** · 08-13-12 09:14

LOL You always crack me up man."WPAD"? I think I may have missed that one, can you translate?

Fabulous news on your new hunting grounds! I lived in southern Orange County for a while years ago, I only wish I knew of this lifestyle when I was located out there.

I hope to have a better update soon, but Midwest babies remain fickle and extraordinarily hard to get the deal closed! That is not to say panties have not been dropping in my world, (and in some cases I've had dates in which there have been no panties to drop). I've just not yet been able to have an opportunity to extend my generosity to more than my regular at this point in time.

GL with your Pacific campaign!

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

I've been running silent, running deep and running hard. Operating outside of my usual patrol area I have found these new waters to be a target rich environment and have exceptional success deploying my WPAD.

**SubCmdr** · 08-13-12 08:28

I've been running silent, running deep and running hard. Operating outside of my usual patrol area I have found these new waters to be a target rich environment and have exceptional success deploying my WPAD.

My new orders sent me under the polar cap into the waters off the coast of southern California. My assignment: perform a recon of Southern California to determine suitable targets for WPAD deployment. This is one of my reports.

I come ashore at the port of San Diego and I'm met by Pot SDSB1. AA, light skin. 23, 5'5', smoking hot body, gorgeous eyes, a very exotic look. Jump in her car and we head off to dinner. Have a wonderful dinner together during dinner I learn that she has some Asian in her explaining her most unique looks. After dinner I ask her to give me a ride and she agrees to drop me off at my center for west coast operations. During the drive I learn that she has never had a SD but is very interested in the sugar world. She said that her circle of friends all have them. She said that is a very accepted lifestyle choice in the southern California area. And everyone she knows is very open about it. In fact she has been around her friends SD's before and they are mostly pretty cool guys. She also informed me that some of them make their entire living in the sugar world. She indicated that would not work for her because she doesn't want to be controlled and is much more interested in the chemistry that she shares with someone and wants to consider the sugar a bonus. Well that is just what I want to hear. I'm thinking we share some chemistry so mentally I've already got her ankles up on my shoulders. When we arrive at my base of operations, I invite her in for a debriefing. But, she declines my request to add her panties to my collection. I slip her some sugar to thank her for the ride and she heads off into the night. We exchange many positive texts. It is most unfortunate that our schedules failed to line up. We never meet again.

SubCmdr out

**JoesParty** · 08-12-12 17:46

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Joe,

It is great to hear that you are keeping your CPO low. With all this talk about E involvement it is nice to know there are others who recognize we are just in another trading pit; working hard; watching the bid / ask price and closing closing the deal when the price is right.

Panties on the floor; legs in the air; face down & ass up. Just keep pounding that nasty thing into the mattress. Get in; Get off; and get home. No need to make things complicated.

Update: I rolled over like a cheap SUV and sent West Coast SB some sugar. The pussy is just too good! And even with the little extra sugar I am still keeping my CPO low. I consider it portfoilo (I. E. Pussy) insurance or like a (pussy) futures contract. It will either pay off or I'll lose my entire investment.

SubCmdr out

The futures contract analogy is apt. As I've noted, I've dabbled in the futures market from time to time. As I'm sure you know, pussy is a fickle commodity. And I mean "commodity" literally; although we like to think one is different from another, in the end, they're almost indistinguishable. Sorry to be so blunt, and I mean no disrespect to anyone, but most of us aren't looking for a LTR relationship here (or we've learned our lesson about doing so).

You may recall that I made an investment in ATF, and I have yet to see any possibility of repayment on that contract. In fact, my broker appears to be ignoring my calls. I am *this close* to declaring it a complete loss and moving on. Here's to hoping you have better luck. But keep in mind that it rarely pays to "double down" on your investment, especially in a sinking market.

**SubCmdr** · 08-12-12 10:21

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Finally, she was grateful for my sugar, which was less than half of what I was providing to the last SB, and if you take into account the CPO formula, then it's approaching ridiculously low levels. This one's a keeper.

Regards,

Joe

Joe,

It is great to hear that you are keeping your CPO low. With all this talk about E involvement it is nice to know there are others who recognize we are just in another trading pit; working hard; watching the bid / ask price and closing closing the deal when the price is right.

Panties on the floor; legs in the air; face down & ass up. Just keep pounding that nasty thing into the mattress. Get in; Get off; and get home. No need to make things complicated.

Update: I rolled over like a cheap SUV and sent West Coast SB some sugar. The pussy is just too good! And even with the little extra sugar I am still keeping my CPO low. I consider it portfoilo (I. E. Pussy) insurance or like a (pussy) futures contract. It will either pay off or I'll lose my entire investment.

SubCmdr out

**JoesParty** · 08-10-12 10:26

The target, as noted in an earlier post, is an 18 year old student with a bit of an anime / cosplay fetish. If you're anything like me, you'll have to look up those terms. We've had two M&Gs to date; one over sushi and one at a movie. I provided nominal sugar at the second, because she had previously mentioned a need for replacement printer ink in order to finish a project. She very much appreciated the gesture and was eager to meet again.

She has another SD, whom she has been seeing for a couple months. He is OK with her seeing other guys, as am I, because neither of us has the time to give her the support or attention she wants. If I ever meet the guy, I owe him a beer, because he has done a great job of showing her the sugar bowl ropes.

I figured I would try to close the deal last night with dinner and a relaxing evening at a local hotel. Dinner was nice. Although she is very shy, she is starting to open up to me. In fact, I learned quite a bit about her life and her time with "Bizarro George" (as I'll call the other guy). We both had a good time.

We retired to the hotel, where she showed me a few websites that helped explain her hobby. It was interesting, but to be honest, I was concerned about time, as I couldn't stay out too late. I finally just asked if I could kiss her, and after a bit, we made our way to the bed.

Long story short: Fabulous 18-year-old body. A bit inexperienced, but she has the basics down and seems willing to take direction. I'm usually one and done, but she asked-no, insisted-we go for three rounds. In the end, it was clear we both enjoyed ourselves.

Finally, she was grateful for my sugar, which was less than half of what I was providing to the last SB, and if you take into account the CPO formula, then it's approaching ridiculously low levels. This one's a keeper.

Enjoy the weekend, friends. I know I will.

Regards,

Joe

**ChiGuy606** · 08-09-12 09:48

Great to hear from you again Nando. So sorry things are over with your ATF. As sucky as the whole situation is at least this gives you the opportunity to start working on patching things up at home, from my limited knowledge of your situation it sounds like mending the home relationship is probably the better long term solution for you than divorce. But in any case, thanks for coming back here. Your perspective is certainly valuable to us.

As I said before, you could (and should) write a book someday.

As for me, I've been busy! Busy busy busy!

I am holding off on making a post until panties are confirmed grounded. However that doesn't mean panties have not been hitting the floor in my world. Legally Blonde is consistently blowing my mind (among other things) on a weekly basis now, and is just getting dirtier & dirtier with me each time. Hopefully I'll have an update with new conquests soon.

Be safe & have fun all.

**Golfcart** · 08-07-12 23:51

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

The girls protesteth too much about how they are not hookers even though they are accepting money in return for sex. I certainly don't like to think of my Baby as a hooker but she is still taking care of my needs in return for a generous allowance. So what is she? A wife? Haha.

Does it matter? Why not simply enjoy a woman within reasonable limits and not worry about it? There's something somewhere about moderation being a virtue and somewhere else about pigs getting slaughtered. It's when the thing gets out of hand that it gets out of hand.

The board has been on a swing for a long time supporting one bad idea after another. It reminded me of no limits poker. Now, all of a sudden a few of us have had it blow up in our face. And this comes as a surprise.

Things are okay in moderation with eyes wide open.

**Looking Around** · 08-07-12 22:15

Originally Posted by NiceGuy804 [View Original Post]

I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?

She said,"I don't go fishing off the same dock I work at." Sage advice.

**JoesParty** · 08-07-12 20:56

Originally Posted by Zomby [View Original Post]

To be honest, the *only* way I see this working at all is if you are talking about a *personal* assistant, unconnected with any company or corporation, *and* you offer the "job" to an existing SB as an additional benefit for *her, *and* you trust her a whole bunch. Even then, given the laws concerning sexual harassment in employment, you're opening yourself up for a criminal prosecution *and* a civil lawsuit later on if things go sour.

If you're working for a company and thinking about hiring a secretary or assistant there, forget it. If HR finds out, you're in the same sexual harassment boat, even *if* you and her are OK with it. The "beauty" of the harassment laws is that they can also be used by other, ostensibly unaffected employees, against you if they can make the case that others are being slighted in favor of your "assistant with benefits."

You could lose your job, and even make it harder to find another one if the details become public. Your current company might not reveal the circumstances of your termination, but they would be within their rights to do so if the case becomes criminal.

That completely ignores the possibility that if you are going to hire this person, you have to provide your real name on the paychecks, plus be responsible for all the taxes, FICA, etc.

/z

Originally Posted by NiceGuy804 [View Original Post]

I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?

I'm with Zomby on this one. Even if you are self-employed, have no other employees, and both you and the girl are in on the "job description," YOU are shouldering all the personal risk here. What if the relationship goes south? What if she convinces some authority figure (and God help you if she hires a lawyer) that her "mean, disgusting boss demands sex all the time"? It's your word against hers, because you definitely don't want to put your arrangement in writing.

Add to this the other obstacles that Z points out, plus workers comp, insurance, and the like.

You are better off, as he notes, in throwing a few extra bucks to an existing SB to work as an occasional independent contractor, maybe providing cleaning services, filing services, etc. Nothing substantial, and nothing on a regular basis. WAY too many risks here.

**JoesParty** · 08-07-12 20:48

Originally Posted by Max999 [View Original Post]

As I've stated on this forum once before, I'm not a big-time player in the SD game. I have made small forays into it over the years with mixed results. I think I realized that I was too much of a soft-hearted sucker to profit from the SD-SB arrangement. In time, I also realized that I didn't have the sexual stamina and availability to get my money's worth out of the arrangement even where the SB was fully willing. But then, those may be my unique shortcomings.

Nevertheless, I did learn a few things. The main thing I learned is that this is supposed to be a hobby, right? It's supposed to be something that we pursue peripherally to our main focuses in life like family, work, love, enlightenment, etc. We're not supposed to become enraptured in the hobby to the detriment of other, more important life pursuits. We're not supposed to fall in love with women who we pay to spend time with us. We're not supposed to want to love someone that we have to pay to be with us. You know, we do "pay" them to tell us how ageless we look and act, how beautifully we make love, how great listeners we are, how thoughtful we are, how much of an aswer to their prayers we are. And we "pay" them to dress like a princess and fuck like a freak. We "pay" them to remember our birthdays when the SO doesn't. We "pay" them to kiss us long and passionately like we are the only men they could ever love. We "pay" them to thoughtfully surprise us with a wine and cheese picnic getaway after a tough week at work. In short, we pay them to be good / great actresses.

For the most part, they don't forget that they are in the "business" of acting out a particular man's romantic fantasy. We shouldn't forget that we are in the "business" of paying these women to be "lovable." But those of us who can't play and pay without actually falling in love are in for miserably disappointing and unfulfilled lives for as long as we stay in the SD game.

Well said. I am one of the guys who gets sucked in emotionally, though I am trying to change my stripes. I think some of the guys who are lucky enough to be with girls to whom they give little (or even no) allowance may quibble with this a bit, but even then, I think the basic message is important to take to heart: Whatever your situation, make sure nobody is taking advantage of you.

**Max999** · 08-07-12 20:41

As I've stated on this forum once before, I'm not a big-time player in the SD game. I have made small forays into it over the years with mixed results. I think I realized that I was too much of a soft-hearted sucker to profit from the SD-SB arrangement. In time, I also realized that I didn't have the sexual stamina and availability to get my money's worth out of the arrangement even where the SB was fully willing. But then, those may be my unique shortcomings.

Nevertheless, I did learn a few things. The main thing I learned is that this is supposed to be a hobby, right? It's supposed to be something that we pursue peripherally to our main focuses in life like family, work, love, enlightenment, etc. We're not supposed to become enraptured in the hobby to the detriment of other, more important life pursuits. We're not supposed to fall in love with women who we pay to spend time with us. We're not supposed to want to love someone that we have to pay to be with us. You know, we do "pay" them to tell us how ageless we look and act, how beautifully we make love, how great listeners we are, how thoughtful we are, how much of an aswer to their prayers we are. And we "pay" them to dress like a princess and fuck like a freak. We "pay" them to remember our birthdays when the SO doesn't. We "pay" them to kiss us long and passionately like we are the only men they could ever love. We "pay" them to thoughtfully surprise us with a wine and cheese picnic getaway after a tough week at work. In short, we pay them to be good / great actresses.

For the most part, they don't forget that they are in the "business" of acting out a particular man's romantic fantasy. We shouldn't forget that we are in the "business" of paying these women to be "lovable." But those of us who can't play and pay without actually falling in love are in for miserably disappointing and unfulfilled lives for as long as we stay in the SD game.