"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Hernando** · 05-16-12 10:38

That would be me! Yes Varoom, I tend to agree that I find it hard for a HCB to get truly excited by a gent many decades her senior. I am very blessed to have found a 40 year younger SB who seems to be truly into me. You can talk the talk and walk the walk for a while but we just celebrated our 1st year anniversary and she kisses me and loves me like no one I have ever experienced. I am a very fit and youthful 60, so I do not come across as "gramps" fortunately for playing in this bowl. My Baby says things that make me think that I am way more put together than her peer group. (but she's smart enough not to draw comparisons to her other male experiences. I do not want to hear it) The down side to getting old is that the equipment (as lit opined) gets hinky and that can be frustrating when with a hottie who might go a 2nd or 3rd round and the old bod isn't up to it. Fortunately there are chemical enhancements which onercome most issues, but can take the spontaneity out of a session. Some of you younger men seem to attract girls who are getting off just being with you.possibly Scott, Droo . And don't demand the Sugar. I think 30 something is a perfect age for landing these HCBs. Good for you guys.

I found my SB on Sugardaddy4me and got a lot of responses there before settling down. I agree it is next to impossible to cancel so use VaJimbo's advice about using a prepaid card. Fling is full of young girls who aren't thinking money and seem to be looking for a hookup with another young dude, Ashley Madison has been a total loser for me. I think the girls there are looking for younger guys as well. I didn't get as far as SA since I already found my SB SO.

**EuroInCincy** · 05-16-12 09:39

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

Understandable that a young SB might want to date an older guy for the experience, or to compare notes on the comments of her friend (s) . Do others see the relevance of whether the age spread is 20 yrs. 30 yrs or 40?

Ok I find that I get the most out of the 18-19 yr olds and then the 30+. The 20. 30 I found are solely doing it for the sugar while the 18-19 yr olds (yes 30 + yrs younger than me) do it to get 'knowledge' or to fill the 'void' of having a sympathetic 'dad' in their life.

The 30+ crowd, do it not for the sugar, even though ir is a nice perk, but because they need it in addition to the relation (s) they already have or because the want the 'security' of something that looks like a semi long term without the hassles.

That is just my 2 eurocents

**Varoom** · 05-16-12 08:42

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

I have to agree with Mandy here, I currently have 2 18 yr olds (ok mentally they are a tad older, but physically 18. And both wanted me because of me being older and being able to mentor, and being able to teach them tricks guys their age can't even fantasize about!)

One even said she is approaching this as a college course, where she will learn how to take care of her future husband.

Understandable that a young SB might want to date an older guy for the experience, or to compare notes on the comments of her friend (s) that have had such experiences with older guys and told the stories. Yes, they want to see if it is different than the 18 yo boy in social studies that got in there and pounded it for all of a minute and a half. But when is AGE experience and when is AGE just plain OLD? We have SD's here who are in their 30's. 40's. 50's. 60's and maybe even 70's. An 18 yo SB can surely be attracted to a 30's or even 40's SD (and maybe on the outside a well preserved 50's SD) , but lets not kid ourselves folks, a recent high schooler isn't going to get much kick out of snuggling up to someone who is older than their Grandfather. If you think so then I've got a bridge for sale.

Age and age difference needs to be quantified to some degree. It seems that most here discuss SB and SD as being 20ish +- yrs apart and that isn't how it is for all concerned. The 65 yo snuggling up to an 18 yo is great for Gramps but frankly I can't imagine that it does much for the young lady except cause her to fantisize about what she will do with the sugar once the moaning is over and done with. Nando seems to be the exception here with quite a large age spread that seems to work successfully; (hats off to Nando). Who are the others that are working with a 40 yr age spread with continued bliss? It might be helpful to know when some write about their SB and speak of AGE to know the appx spread in yrs, so the experiences can be quantified into loose categories for similarity. Do others see the relevance of whether the age spread is 20 yrs. 30 yrs or 40?

**Graham111** · 05-16-12 08:01

I use SA almost exclusively. Have found no good luck with CL. Anyone comment on their favorite hunting grounds? Thanks

**Droo89** · 05-15-12 22:27

These babies.

My last report here I mentioned I was corresponding with a 20 yr old college student. At first, I thought she might be one of you. LOL. Well, I am glad to say that I was wrong. What she has turned out to be, is a curious, worldly, sexy, beautifully confident young muse. We met today for the first time. Coffee and conversation. Which was fun and lite and flirty and good. A kiss good bye. Any talk of sugar? Nope. Talk of meeting again? Yes, soon. Is she interested in me? Very much. Do I want to bed her? Very much so, but not yet. To be honest, I want to get to know her better. Kinda like we might be dating.

SB alt androgynous model. Horny, porn watching, nymph. Have met with her three times. No holds-holds-barred-straight up-let's fuck each other senseless meetings. I've paid for lunch, drinks, sex toys and the room. Nothing more. I've even offered, which she laughed at. She say's that she likes having a mature, drama free lover on the side.

SB local grad student. Amazing body, beautiful looks. Busy gal who knows the game. Talks a great game, but in my opinion, doesn't quite deliver. Have seen her twice and that will most likely be it. Interestingly enough, she is the only SB that has ever really talked sugar with me, which I think is her primary motive, which would be fine with me if she delivered in the way that I need. But, she doesn't.

SB art student. I don't want to talk about.

SB wannabe Playmate. Stunning. Complete freak in bed. Everything and anything is offered and encouraged. We've met several times over the past couple of months. If she met my emotional needs, she would be the one. Sugar? Has never talked of it and has always sent a sweet text saying thank you when she finds it.

I guess what I'm getting at, something we all know, is that this game is filled with a lot of different players. I know what I seek, I get to know my POTS before we even think about meeting. I love the seduction that's involved here, the anticipation.

As I write this, SB local girl just sent me a picture of herself after getting caught in the rain. Got to love it.

**Castlerae** · 05-15-12 21:58

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Oh. And I might be interviewed again! I received an email through my blog today from a writer. I'll keep you all posted on how that one turns out.

Night!

Mandy

One thing to remember about writers: you can never, ever trust them completely. As someone who used to write, I know that a good interviewer can get a subject to talk about just about anything. So, with that in mind, I do hope you will be very sure to keep your wits about you, lest you end up telling far more than you wish known about yourself to a complete stranger.

Just a bit of a warning, and hoping you do not need it.

**VAJimbo** · 05-15-12 19:51

I saw the model girl this last week and she seems to have backed off even more, she is a beautiful young lady and shows some skills but, this time did not even give me a good kiss.

On to a new SB 18yo MILF, took her to a late lunch and then to FC, everything seemed to just flow, she kissed me so deeply passionately when she came and just collapsed into my arms that it just seemed so natural. She seems like a strong candidate for a long term, will see how things go.

Model girl just texted and asked when we will meet again, let her know that I did not think she was into me so will see what if anything she has to say.

SD4ME, use a prepaid card, it works that's what I have done and when the $ gone they can't charge any more to that card, some of the cards can be 'recharged' by adding $ like Wal-Mart's visa card but they charge a management fee of $3 a month, I think.

**EuroInCincy** · 05-15-12 15:13

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Golf,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on a number of things. The first being your comment that girls can't possibly actually dig older guys. Well, the first time I had an "older guy" I was 20 and he was 39. 19 year age difference and at that age it was the best sex I'd ever had! Yes, you all, like a fine wine get much better with age. Shortly after that experience I quit dating guys my own age.

Every sugar relationship is different and we should have fun on here enjoying the variety instead of saying what is or isn't sugar. Just my thoughts, on the topic.

I have to agree with Mandy here, I currently have 2 18 yr olds (ok mentally they are a tad older, but physically 18. And both wanted me because of me being older and being able to mentor, and being able to teach them tricks guys their age can't even fantasize about!)

One even said she is approaching this as a college course, where she will learn how to take care of her future husband.

**SubCmdr** · 05-15-12 12:55

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Golf,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on a number of things. The first being your comment that girls can't possibly actually dig older guys. Well, the first time I had an "older guy" I was 20 and he was 39. 19 year age difference and at that age it was the best sex I'd ever had! Yes, you all, like a fine wine get much better with age. Shortly after that experience I quit dating guys my own age.

Now, as some have heard me say "off line" maybe you're playing with a different kind of baby and not the type that you'd ever want to evolve to a longer-term relationship in which case you will not experience a girl looking for the above things. Your experience will simply be a sugar baby who just wants the money. Which, is ok if that's what you want, but don't discount Scott's experiences simply because they are different from your own.

Maybe this only happens when you start to get into the longer relationships which Scott, Nando and myself are in. Several guys on here are looking for that same thing, while others are just having fun playing around with 20 something's and either is fine. As I tell the sugars I coach. Just know your goal and it all follows from there.

Every sugar relationship is different and we should have fun on here enjoying the variety instead of saying what is or isn't sugar. Just my thoughts, on the topic.

The Big Brain Girl is in the House! I'm feeling the spirit and it's moving me! Preach Sister Preach! Can I get a witness! I've never quite seen a WWF beat down like that!

Game, Set and Motherfucking Match!

The Cmdr is scared of you girl!

**SbabyBlog** · 05-15-12 10:38

Golf,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on a number of things. The first being your comment that girls can't possibly actually dig older guys. Well, the first time I had an "older guy" I was 20 and he was 39. 19 year age difference and at that age it was the best sex I'd ever had! Yes, you all, like a fine wine get much better with age. Shortly after that experience I quit dating guys my own age.

Then, there is the mentor fact that obviously a guy our own age can not give us. I immensely enjoy having dinner with Memories and having him challenge my thesis question and whatever research I've just read. It takes education and experience to be able to do that and again, that's not found in younger men. I wanted to chime in on this discussion the last time it came up but didn't have the time. Memories is teice my age and The Doctor is 17 years older than me. Although he is in better physical shape than most men my age and I do adore him for a number of reasons beyond the sugar.

This brings me to another issue. Where does it say you have to sleep with your baby every time you are together otherwise she's no longer an SB? I would have been screwed in December when I was very sick and The doctor brought me out so he could take care of me. It was physically impossible for me to play that weekend so instead he just wrapped me up, held me, and tried to make the pain go away.

Now, as some have heard me say "off line" maybe you're playing with a different kind of baby and not the type that you'd ever want to evolve to a longer-term relationship in which case you will not experience a girl looking for the above things. Your experience will simply be a sugar baby who just wants the money. Which, is ok if that's what you want, but don't discount Scott's experiences simply because they are different from your own.

As for the not providing sugar each time, it depends on the relationship. I certainly don't require it from The Doctor but what I did learn this weekend is that all I have to do is ask and he will oblige. I'll admit that's probably because I don't ask for a lot at any one time because I look for a long-term gain not short term.

Maybe this only happens when you start to get into the longer relationships which Scott, Nando and myself are in. Several guys on here are looking for that same thing, while others are just having fun playing around with 20 something's and either is fine. As I tell the sugars I coach. Just know your goal and it all follows from there.

If you want a ltr with a bit more educated girl then know your going to have to divulge some real info. We're too smart to put ourselves at risk. If you just want a toy for a month and then to move on, well keep your personal stuff to yourself.

Every sugar relationship is different and we should have fun on here enjoying the variety instead of saying what is or isn't sugar. Just my thoughts, on the topic.

**Hernando** · 05-15-12 09:24

That would be me, haha, not really. It is easy to feel powerful with the ladies when you are speaking with dollars, which makes perfect cents! (Sorry, that was a poor attempt at a bon mot ). Seriously, we all have different motivations and styles and it is instructive to learn from our brothers and sister. WHen hot girls (HCB, HYB) act like they love us most of the time they are loving our Sugar, but as Mandy attests, there is a fondness, perhaps even love for one's Sugars. Each of us has to make the decision what works for our style and life circumstances. I personally need and want love, or the appearance of love in my sugar relationship, and have it! I am going to ride this wave as long as it lasts. I am not ready to offer to permanently go off the reservation with my SB, even if she would consider an IRL relationship which I doubt. How could a 20 something truly love IRL a 60 yr old? I agree with The Commander that emotional connection adds a great deal to an affair. I went through a multifucking phase for a few years and felt an emtyness after each encounter. Physically it was heady to bed a different girl frequently, but in the end I wanted more.

Scott seems to have the most success with HYBs and apparently a very liberal Sugar program (at least since Literal semiretired Welcome back Lit! I hope little Lit gets his mojo back) There is a true fondness that his SBs must have for him to donate their services as generously as they do. Perhaps he is younger and more appealing to the ladies as an IRL type BF. Young girls do have FWBs and affairs all the time without a negotiated fee for service. I am too old to attract a 20 yr old for free I guess.

Golf is correct in keeping these SBs at arm's length to strictly maintain a separation of one's RL and SL (real life and sugar life) We E-types take a risk getting E involved. And from a safety POV withholding info about yourself helps keep that separation particularly when dealing with Nando 1s.

But in the end, as long as we are in the game life is good! And I am "in love "

**AliasSM** · 05-15-12 08:03

Good to hear from you Lit. Yes, this is a strong and active forum and there are a number of regulars. I can attest that Mandy is as close to "one of the guys" as you will find in someone without a penis. She has been a good contributor and, I think, understands the multi-fucking goings-on as well most since she is herself a participant.

Hope to hear soon that you are back in the game with all cylinders cranking.

Alias

**SubCmdr** · 05-15-12 02:05

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

Scott may have gone off the reservation in a good way. I'm not so sure the girls he describes qualify as SBs. It sounds more like Scott may be simply dating or just plain running around because he's buying presents and paying bills more than playing in the Sugar Bowl. If Scott is pulling this off it's because he's confident, he can keep up with them, and when things are vertical he is treating them more like guy-friends. This is a cocktail that can be a real babe magnet to girls not really in need. The downside risk is a girl not driven by the sugar is hard to get rid of when the time comes. She doesn't afford the safety of a true sugar babe that can be counted on to leave when the sugar is stopped.

I'm glad to see Lit back and the sanity he brings. Maybe I'll start speaking up more.

We have the same unresolved issues when he left last time plus a twist. We still have guys getting emotionally involved like that's a fact without serious consequences, guys not protecting their personal identities, and guys thinking the girls are really into the senior citizen crowd. The latest twist is we can renegotiate the sugar using a smoke and mirror approach on girls who clip coupons and buy when things are on sale. Renegotiating the sugar doesn't work. It is the other side of the golden pussy syndrome.

Welcome back Lit.

Sounds like someone's GolfCart has a flat tire. Look who's hating as Scott's pimp mobile rolls by!

Oh, and we are revisiting the definition of a "true sugar baby". Hold just a minute while I take some notes.

Some of the girls just may actually be into older men. There are a lot of fetishes out there.

What is wrong with emotional involvement? All forms of human interaction involve emotion. If you don't believe me, just try to get good service from someone IRL who is in a bad mood or is having a bad day.

If you are messing around with Nando 1 types, I agree you better keep your game tight. But if the young lady has as much to loose as you do, I don't think it is as important to keep your cover airtight.

Finally, all contracts and arrangements are open to renegotiation. Especially ones that have fairly fluid terms and conditions to start with.

Help me out if I'm missing something here.

SubCmdr Out

**Golfcart** · 05-14-12 23:32

Scott may have gone off the reservation in a good way. I'm not so sure the girls he describes qualify as SBs. It sounds more like Scott may be simply dating or just plain running around because he's buying presents and paying bills more than playing in the Sugar Bowl. If Scott is pulling this off it's because he's confident, he can keep up with them, and when things are vertical he is treating them more like guy-friends. This is a cocktail that can be a real babe magnet to girls not really in need. The downside risk is a girl not driven by the sugar is hard to get rid of when the time comes. She doesn't afford the safety of a true sugar babe that can be counted on to leave when the sugar is stopped.

I'm glad to see Lit back and the sanity he brings. Maybe I'll start speaking up more.

We have the same unresolved issues when he left last time plus a twist. We still have guys getting emotionally involved like that's a fact without serious consequences, guys not protecting their personal identities, and guys thinking the girls are really into the senior citizen crowd. The latest twist is we can renegotiate the sugar using a smoke and mirror approach on girls who clip coupons and buy when things are on sale. Renegotiating the sugar doesn't work. It is the other side of the golden pussy syndrome.

Welcome back Lit.

**SbabyBlog** · 05-14-12 23:07

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Hopefully she has a sense of humor.

Yes, I have a sense of humor and it takes A LOT to offend me. But you can't be offended by my stories of having two SD's and a husband. As I've written in previous posts. I'm just as bad as you guys are.

Oh. And I might be interviewed again! I received an email through my blog today from a writer. I'll keep you all posted on how that one turns out.

Night!

Mandy