"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Hernando** · 04-20-12 17:21

Bondo, My last blackmailing "SB" was a classic Nando 1 which I now will avoid like the plague, but she gave good service for $100 all night, and she was a very good looking and talented girl. But she was soooo effed up as a drug addict, etc, that in the end she wasn't worth it. So be careful when you are fishing for the cheapos. The previous one was $200 / pop for extended care but she too was a mess. In the end, you can luck into a less expensive SB but she will need to be either very young, naive, and / or desperate.

I think a long term committment to a SB for $500-700 / month could work for 4 visits / month, especially if you don't ask for monogamy. These low grade hookers can work 2 to 4 Daddies and make their goal.

Scotty, this Polo of yours sounds like an experimenteur supreme.

**SubCmdr** · 04-20-12 17:16

Target designation SB2. 26 year old MILF with two kids (with a few extra pounds). So, I schedule my standard meet and greet a Starbucks in her area. One hour after our original meet time I get a text."Can you meet me outside at my car. I'm a little overdressed for Starbucks." I head out the door and over to her car and she gets out. I get my first look at her and think "oh no". Standing before me is a straight up BBW, loud and proud, a bit bigger than my tastes. But she has a pretty face (and I'm not really worried about her personality). Hair and make up done right. Sporting the 'everybody loves cleavage' top, mini skirt, and completes it with 4-inch CFMN pumps. In a word she looks like a garden tool. Boy, I'm glad I don't know anyone in this neck of the woods. LOL!

Hug and kiss on the cheek. Damn, she got glitter on. Going to have to completely sanitize before returning to the prison (I'm out on my work release pass). She wants to go get something to eat and I'm not really into that. I try not to do food on meet and greets as I consider it a waste of three important resources (food, money and time). But my afternoon schedule is clear and I'm imagining her lips on the tip of my dick and so we roll out to the restaurant.

At the restaurant I sit through the unabridged version of the trials and tribulations of her short life. In just a quarter century she has managed to fail to complete college, have two kids, breakup with her children's Father, lose her good job, her home, bankrupt herself, and gain a insane amount of weight that is now beginning to cause health problems. Wow! And I thought I had problems. She also tells me that on top of all this her phone was turned off.

The meal is complete and the party favors are available. Would have love to taken her for a test drive, but between her being late, the life story, intense and protracted sugar negotiations, this afternoon must come to an end. We make plans to meet again in a few days. I pay the check and we exit.

We get to her car and it is time to part ways. I hug her and whisper into her ear 'let's mess around some and we'll get your phone turned back on. ' So, we drive to a parking lot to the parking lot behind the hotel. She asks, 'Can I use my hand' I'm like 'no, you know what to do'. So, it's late afternoon in a hotel parking lot. There is some light vehicular traffic. Workers from the hotel taking smoke breaks. And she's giving head for a cellular phone bill? Sugar Baby my ass! At worst she's a pro on her day off. At best she's a Nado 1. So, I'm rock hard and ready to bust and she stops. She is freaking out, and says she not want to be going down on me in this situation. I smile and simply keep reassuring her that I'm keeping a look out and everything will be fine. So finally after many starts and stops and using a combination of methods, she finishes me up. We clean up. I contribute to her cell phone fund. She wants my assistance in finding a payment center for her phone's service provider. I hit Google on my cell and get her what she needs. I drive her back to her car and I'm off. Now that was a lot of fun! It's not everyday you meet a strange girl ready to jerk and suck your dick to completion in a public parking lot in broad daylight. But when you do, I think you got to say it was a good day!

But now it's race down the freeway back to the prison. Keeping an eye out for the authorities monitoring vehicles moving at excessive speed. Did I beat the Warden back? Yes! She decided to go out with friends. Got time to dump the trash, sanitize the car, shred the receipts, dump the clothes, scrub the glitter off, wash all other incriminating trace evidence down the drain, have a drink and be chillin before the Warden gets back for the weekend lock down. Like they used to say on that old show The P Team. I love it when a plan comes together.

Stay horny my friends,

SubCmdr out

**SbabyBlog** · 04-20-12 17:13

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Does it work on babies as well?

Scott

That's certainly a new trick that I just might have to try sometime! The only thing close that I've experienced was with Altoids. While it was great I already have a major sensitivity issue (in a bad way, you have to leave me alone for a while afterwards) and it magnified that issue. But during it was fantastic!

Mandy

**SubCmdr** · 04-20-12 16:49

'When you think of Pit Bull you think big trucks. Big rims, but no not me I stay low key. Cause if they can't spot me. Then they can't watch me. And if they can't watch me then they sure as hell can't stop me. ' – Pit Bull.

Kicking a little street knowledge for ya. My occupational endeavors have always involved a great deal of secrecy and security. I was taught at an early age to have a separate account known only to you. Offshore if possible. Keep the amounts below certain limits and you have no (tax) reporting issues. I established the account before marriage so it is not marital property per the law even after tying the knot. My play money came / comes out of my paycheck before it hit the joint account. My excuse if needed was that I was required to have expense money available for last minute assignments at all times and that for security purposes it should not lead back to my family.

Gentlemen, you are conducting a covert operation. Practice operational security (OPSEC). If the warden breaches security she should only be able to determine that something is going on. She should not be able to figure out who, what why, when, where, and how much. Make like you are a Mission Impossible team member and make sure your communications self-destruct in five seconds. If you are holding onto contraband (emails, texts and photos) and the warden tosses your cell you are fucked. At best you are going to be thrown into solitary confinement and at worst you she is going to bend you over while reaching for the broom handle.

Yes, I've been through a divorce. It had nothing to do with infidelity and everything to do with incompatibility. But that does not change anything. Divorce is a rule of law. A simple division of property. It is only the white hot emotions that surround the event that make it difficult. Do not be afraid of the lawyer for the opposition. You can always get a good one for yourself. Be proactive, now. If you have a risk of divorce for ANY reason do your research now. Learn how it works. Know in advance who your advocate will be. Develop your intelligence on the opposition. Develop a plan to protect your assets. Practice safe sex gentlemen and that means more than just slapping on a condom.

SubCmdr out

**F Scott** · 04-20-12 16:42

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

. Healthy gums are sexy gums, or something like that. Sounds like a win win.

I agree. And Polo does, in truth, have outstanding teeth! Maybe this is how she keeps them so white. I'll have to mention it to the hot hygienist that cleans my teeth next time I'm at the dentists and see if she might offer an additional procedure.

What a world!

Scott

**JoesParty** · 04-20-12 16:22

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Friends,

I spent the cold and rainy morning holed up in the Pleasure Dome with Polo, and it was fantastic as always. I just love hearing those little grunts she makes, and I heard them a lot today.

As promised, she had a new experience for me, and it was interesting to say the least. As she was paying oral attention to Scottie, she pulled out a tube of toothpaste, Crest I believe, and put a liberal shot of it in her mouth and went back to work. It felt extremely, intensely tingly, and brought things to a close in record time. It also made Scottie extremely sensitive, but in a good way, for the rest of the morning, kind of like he had superpowers. Has anyone else experienced / done this before? Is it common knowledge, or did Polo think this up herself? I can't wait for next week!

Does it work on babies as well? I forgot to ask Polo, and if it does, I'm going to add it to my bag of tricks.

Back at work for the rest of the day, with Scottie smelling all clean and minty!

Keep up the good work,

Scott

I normally prefer Sensodyne but suppose that would be counterproductive in this particular application.

I've heard of various uses for liquors such as creme de menthe but haven't experimented in this area. I will say that the toothpaste idea has the added benefit of plaque reduction, which, of course, alcohol lacks. Healthy gums are sexy gums, or something like that. Sounds like a win win.

**F Scott** · 04-20-12 15:21

Friends,

I spent the cold and rainy morning holed up in the Pleasure Dome with Polo, and it was fantastic as always. I just love hearing those little grunts she makes, and I heard them a lot today.

As promised, she had a new experience for me, and it was interesting to say the least. As she was paying oral attention to Scottie, she pulled out a tube of toothpaste, Crest I believe, and put a liberal shot of it in her mouth and went back to work. It felt extremely, intensely tingly, and brought things to a close in record time. It also made Scottie extremely sensitive, but in a good way, for the rest of the morning, kind of like he had superpowers. Has anyone else experienced / done this before? Is it common knowledge, or did Polo think this up herself? I can't wait for next week!

Does it work on babies as well? I forgot to ask Polo, and if it does, I'm going to add it to my bag of tricks.

Back at work for the rest of the day, with Scottie smelling all clean and minty!

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**Graham111** · 04-20-12 14:58

I struggle as well with the sugar. W balances the checkbook so everything is monitored (sort of). In my case I play in a band so that cash, while not enough on it's own, is hidden. I also grab the FSA checks and any other miscellaneous checks but that's sporadic. I have a long habit of withdrawing $100 to have cash so now I make sure I do this every week and then spend very little cash. With SB1 I always "fill her tank" so she gets gas and that looks like any other expenditure. But all this means maybe $500-$700 / month max. Stretching to Mandy's level of $1K month and above just ain't going to happen. I would have to quit. As Joe mentions I have let anyone wanting more than $150 / session walk and that's limited the playing field but no sense in trying to live a lifestyle I can't afford.

**Hernando** · 04-20-12 10:03

Cantwin, that is one of the salient questions we all have to deal with. (at least the married ones) I own my business and while the W manages the home account, that sum never changes. I bleed funds from the business to finance my activities. Ironically, my office mgr who has been with me for a long time is questioning my expenses and I think she suspects what I am doing. While it is her job to do so I have to be careful not to thrust my dalliance in her face either. In the end, the family has less money for extras and savings but the economy has impacted my business and the W understands that.

Drummer, I try to make every visit with my SB a sexual one, but we spend most of our time together doing non sexual things. Frankly, the sex is wonderful but since we have been together for a year things are predictable and not as toe curling. I cherish it because sex is fun period but also because I adore my SB and just plain love being near her. I do not want to step out on her because I don't want to risk hurting her. Sounds like love doesn't it?

Castlerae, Big Tigg has been successful luring girls for ridiculously low amounts. I think it has to do with their experience in the lifestyle and exposure to a generous Daddy. IF you find a naive SB to be who does not know her value, then you set the tone with what you offer her. Once they have tasted the good life then all bets are off. Mandy must be a drop dead gorgeous girl and obviously knows how to treat her SDs well. She moves in circles (blogs, sites) where much discussion is done about worth. There are many attractive girls who do not quite have that star quality.maybe cute but not gorgeaous, shy, lacking self confidence, etc who are happy getting what they can as long as the SD is to their liking. Mandy is correct if you get a gorgeous young girl who is in great demand. My SB falls in that category. I love her to distraction but she is probably not in that modelesque category.

**JoesParty** · 04-20-12 09:47

There certainly has been a lot of excellent discussion on various topics, and I hope it continues. On the money front, I'm afraid I don't have a lot to offer. I'm in the lucky position of having a spouse who takes little interest in the specifics of the family finances. As long as I keep us in the black each month, she doesn't seem to care. Still, the observation is true that even an uninterested spouse seems to sense when cash flows change. I've had to subtly alter my behavior from time to time to avoid establishing noticeable patterns re: cash withdraws. And I try to avoid credit card use for sugar-related activities for the obvious reason that a credit card leaves more of a paper trail. In the end, though, any competent accountant could figure out what's going on even in a cash-only world. I understand that risk and don't have easy answers to minimize it except to say that extreme caution and attention to detail is key. As we've learned in recent posts, we tend to trip up when we get too comfortable and / or let down our guard.

In other news, but not to brag, I am happy to report that my ATF has returned from vacation, and we had a spirited, if shorter than normal, evening together yesterday. In return for my ability to "help her out a little" recently by advancing some funds (something I would NEVER have done except for the fact we've known each other a year now and I really do trust her) , she has planned a special night for us next week. I'm leaving work early, we're getting a room at a nice place on the river, and there'll be dinner, drinks, and plenty of our favorite activities. All I'm responsible for is making the reservations and paying for the accommodations. I hope I haven't jinxed it, but I am already bursting with excitement.

Finally, on other fronts, I continue to develop additional promising leads. I have no intent to replace my favorite, but I expect she'll be moving out of state by the end of the year. I've received some nice unsolicited contacts from SA and hope to meet them soon. The biggest problem is finding the time. I say this to reinforce the idea that there really are plenty of fish in the sea; it just takes some work to find the right one.

Have a nice weekend, everyone. I'm off to Chicago for a little R&R.

Regards,

Joe

**Castlerae** · 04-19-12 23:20

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Sorry, my writing late in the evening after working all day meant I wasn't able to articulate better what I meant there. Yes, in your short term CPO an SB will always be less expensive. But unless you're willing to get into the 1k mark, you'll not find that consistent, no-drama, ATF type which most of you seem to want. If you can't afford that, then you would be better off with an escort once or twice a month because it's certainly much less time consuming to find one of them vs. The e-mail, m&g process, that occurs just to get a baby one time. If you can afford that, then you should be able to reasonably expect that you will eventually find a decent baby that you'll form a longer relationship with.

I hate to be blunt in pointing this out, but the sugar world isn't for the cheep guy. While I agree the girls out there requesting condos, exorbitant allowances and such have a way overinflated ego which should give you more reason to run than what it is that she's requesting, I think the guys "negotiating to death and low & balling" a girl are giving the guys in the sugar world a negative perception.

As always, it's just one babies perspective though.

Mandy

Not to come off like Mr. Spock, but you are taking a line of reasoning that is totally illogical. Specifically, you are trying to argue from the specific (your own case) to the general (SB's in general) , which never works. Would it not be better to acknowledge that each SB and SD is an individual, and that their requirements are unique? So what can be reasoned and / or assumed? Are the odds that a former model will become a SB in return for having the occasional bill paid for her low? Of course, but that's not in question. That said, there are plenty of very attractive young women who would probably be more than willing to be 'extra friendly' with a man in return for him getting her out from under a looming payment problem. If the two can formalise such a relationship, then they've gotten to the SD / SB stage, haven't they? So at the end of the day, each SB is going to have her own set of requirements for what she wants, and what she's willing to put into such a 'relationship. At the same time, every SD is going to have their own list of what they'd like and what they're willing to commit financially to such a relationship. Places is that not a more logical conclusion to be reached from the facts at hand?

**CantWinLosin** · 04-19-12 22:48

All this talk of hiding our activities from the warden has refreshed a question I've long had about this: how does one hide the expenditures?

I've been divorced for several years, but I did the escort thing while I was married. My ex was the money manager in the family, and I constantly scrimped and saved and squirreled away my pocket money to afford the occasional playdate without it showing up in the family finances. Some of you, like Atldrummer, can hide the expense in your business or other ways, but there seems to always be the threat that no matter how well you isolate it, come a nasty divorce battle the ex-to-be has the lawyer discover all that money and fight for it. And while I know some wives are mostly oblivious to the finances, even those women seem to have a sense for when the family cash flow changes. And the sense I get from the posts here is that most guys seem to spend enough on their SB pursuits to make a visible ding in the cashflow unless careful steps are taken.

I'd love to hear from the other members about their ideas on the subject and their techniques for keeping the money issues from the warden.

Thanks!

**F Scott** · 04-19-12 18:36

Friends,

I am scheduled for a lesson tomorrow with Polo, and I am very excited to say the least. It has been almost two weeks, I think, since I last saw all her freckles, and I feel I need to count them carefully tomorrow to make sure they are all still there.

She has promised me something interesting again, but will not tell me what it is. I am guessing it will not be additional spanking lessons, as I feel I have a handle on that, so perhaps it is something new for me to enjoy? I am daydreaming about her blue eyes and thick red hair, as is Scottie.

In any event, my enthusiasm is somewhat tempered by the fact that she only has a little under two hours to devote to the Pleasure Dome. Some nonsense about her kids and their school. Whatever! (Just kidding here, Mandy)

I will report back if modesty allows.

Scott

**F Scott** · 04-19-12 18:26

Drum,

Thank you for sharing your painful story. It is indeed, as has been said, a lesson to us all, and I too saw myself in a number of your details. Several months back I put myself on voluntary lock-down because my behavior was getting way out of control, and I also questioned whether I secretly wanted to get caught. After a month or so of no babies whatsoever, I returned to the game in a much better place, head-wise.

Still, your comment about getting tripped up by technology is an apt one. Although I keep a dedicated sugar phone, the "bat phone" as I call it, I still need to keep track of it and remember to put it back in its hiding place when not in use. The fact that it is not always accessible, and thus I can not always answer texts or calls when they come in, has been the source of the only fights I have had with my ATF, but I still think that safety trumps accessibility.

As for emails, I have a separate email account expressly for baby communications, but again there is always the danger of leaving the browser open. If married, there really is no way to pursue this engaging pastime without assuming a certain amount of risk. I'm sorry things happened for you the way they did, but want to say again how much I appreciate your sharing this with us.

I am going to pray to the god of Sugar Babies that she send you someone fantastic who will rock your world and make your toes curl, my brother.

Peace,

Scott

**TravelinSD** · 04-19-12 13:20

To add to some of the previous posts about amounts, when we started I was giving my SB $900 a month as allowance. After a few months I upped it to $1200. This was for 4-6 meetings a month. Towards the end it was pretty much 2-3 times a week (although I did travel a lot). The strange thing was that at some point the sex / social time kind of flipped from lots of sex, a little social to more social not as much sex. To be honest I didn't really care, I just enjoyed spending time with her. I don't really think you're going to find quality for under $1k a month and I think I was very fortunate to find what I did for that amount.

Drummer