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  1. #4293
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    I'm 100% with BaconBits here. If they are over 18 we shouldn't be worrying about their parents. People differ, their life paths differ. Some are born president's children, others are born into families and / or end up in such situations when becoming a provider is far from the worst outcome. The fact that Choir Boy may not be able to relate to it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. After all chances are Choir Boy can't relate to being a president's kid too. It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

    It happens trust me and usually it happens when people are between 13 & 20.

    I have little doubt that Kat with her apparent organizational skills and diligence checks to make sure that they're all over 18 and unlike us she knows their real names. I wouldn't concern myself with her parents if I'd be you Choir Boy. I'd think of what would she be doing if she hadn't had a body to sell. Think about all the male children that end up in similar situation and don't have that option. I bet you wouldn't want to run into them at night. Chances are, Katie on the other hand is pretty harmless.

    And teachers? What teachers?

    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits  [View Original Post]
    No offense. But the moral dilemma you are having seemed to have happened after you logged in, clicked on the forum and then clicked on the pics. You might want to not watch football if you can't stand men hitting each other. Likewise, don't click on escort reviews if seeing hot young ladies bothers you.

    What would her parents think? What would your parents or significant other think if you were paying to touch strange woman? You may want to answer the later first.

    BB

  2. #4292
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    Look, obviously if there is a gray area the providers or their handlers will try to play with it to turn it to their advantage. It's only natural. It's called spinning your business and complaining about it is pointless.

    The other acronyms like BBBJ, DFK and the like have no gray area about them. If you want real GFE experience don't ask if she offers GFE, ask if she offers DFK. To me, that's a sign of quality of time you're going to have. Even if you don't like to DFK, if she doesn't offer DFK. Chances are you're going to be singing Domo arigato, Ms. Rob&1086; to After you leave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usedj  [View Original Post]
    GFE.

    Full GFE.

    Light GFE.

    GFE +

    Or whatever the modifier around the "GFE"

    The things is that by seeing it at their web sites or in their ads, you almost know what you would expect. For some people, they care more about if the girl is "Hot" or not to their standard. For me, I care less about DATY or CBJ or BBBJ, of course it's nicer to have BBBJ than CBJ, but the hotness takes over for the decision.

  3. #4291

    GFE or.

    GFE.

    Full GFE.

    Light GFE.

    GFE +

    Or whatever the modifier around the "GFE"

    The things is that by seeing it at their web sites or in their ads, you almost know what you would expect. For some people, they care more about if the girl is "Hot" or not to their standard. For me, I care less about DATY or CBJ or BBBJ, of course it's nicer to have BBBJ than CBJ, but the hotness takes over for the decision.

  4. #4290
    I found myself looking for a "like" button on Cpcdman's posts. He absolutely nailed it, hit it out of the park. One reason I find myself as a "semi-retired" hobbyist is that I got sick of immature bitchy drug addicts leading me around by the nuts. I've never gotten physically violent toward a woman but I give all of these semi-lying backpage girls, and these other bitches who think theirs is made of gold the hardest figurative ***** slap I can. They're not getting my money.

  5. #4289

    A little late.

    Quote Originally Posted by Choir Boy  [View Original Post]
    I know I'm in the minority here, but I am somewhat disturbed by these pics. That girl looks to be about college age at most. (If you told me she was in high school, I couldn't dispute it.) So why is such a young girl showing her face in pictures like that on a public message board? Granted, this is not the front page of Yahoo, but it's still a public board. Do her parents care what happens to her? Do her teachers care? Does her family care? Does this girl have anyone in her life who would be concerned if they saw these pics?
    No offense. But the moral dilemma you are having seemed to have happened after you logged in, clicked on the forum and then clicked on the pics. You might want to not watch football if you can't stand men hitting each other. Likewise, don't click on escort reviews if seeing hot young ladies bothers you.

    What would her parents think? What would your parents or significant other think if you were paying to touch strange woman? You may want to answer the later first.

    BB

  6. #4288

    "Light GFE", Less filling. More taste!

    Never run across that term before on the internet."Light GFE". LOL. Is she petite? Never seen it posted on RSG site, either.

    In my opinion, GFE refers to DATY, BBBJ and DFK, since I think we can assume that all the ladies offer CFS.

    Once this gets out,"Light GFE" will be used in all the bogus ads on BP. I believe St. Bart defined the term so there would be a standard for the industry, at least in the Boston area. I have copied his post from another BoarD, going back about 10 years or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ho Hunter 328  [View Original Post]
    I believe RSG uses the term "light GFE" as well, although I'm unsure what the actual definition of it is. In Katie's case, I know that she does light kissing, and DATY, but no BBBJ, or DFK.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.
    St. Bart's GFE Scale:

    "When I first started hobbying 4 years ago, I was dismayed how the term "GFE" was bandied about. Some ladies that I dated based on reviews were far, far, from GFE. The reviewer, I decided afterwards, was simply using the term to say he had a nice time, which is fine.

    BUT, and always recognizing YMMV, I never had a GF that didn't DFK, or allow DATY, or give BBBJ. When these 3 acts come with enthusiastic FS, I define the experience as 100% GFE on the Saint Bart Scale. For every item missing. 10% is deducted. I usually don't like to be specific in a review about the acts I enjoyed. It can unnecessairily put a lady "on the spot" with the next hobbyist."you did ABC for him, so why not me?" That's not fair to her.

    So, the SBS has just enough ambiguity to protect her, yet describe my experience. For example, I recently posted a review of Lisa from Eye Candy. She was 70% on the SBS. As I think all know, my ATF Badgirl is 100% on the SBS. Top's Penelope, with me, was 80%GFE, which reflected my YMMV as I've subsequently read others found her to be 90%GFE. IMO, this is usually all the detail required for the reader to get a good idea of the service level, subject to YMMV.

    Now, sometimes extras are available that go beyond 100%GFE, and might not be allowed by your civilian GF. The two most common examples are Greek and BBBJTC. Actual CIM. To me whether she spits or swallows, it doesn't matter. These are handled in a review with a "+", or "Plus" for each act. Missy, I've written and many have enjoyed, is famous for her Plus ending. So Missy's 100%GFE+ or 100%GFE Plus. The Plus Missy earns is undefined, but all get the picture. Aussie Amber takes it one Plus further, to what I think of as a PSE. She's 100%GFE++ or 100%GFE Plus, Plus. Again, I think one gets the picture, and doesn't need the actual details. I've had rare dates that actually earned as many as 4 Plusses. More were awarded for spending the night "on the house", and for allowing pictures (hear that Nurse?). I suppose they could also be awarded for actions that don't interest me. B&D, or golden showers, etc.

    Real GFs have been delivering GFEs since Adam and Eve. I've simply tried to tie it all together to help hobbyists get the info they need without putting ladies on the spot."

  7. #4287
    I know I'm in the minority here, but I am somewhat disturbed by these pics. That girl looks to be about college age at most. (If you told me she was in high school, I couldn't dispute it.) So why is such a young girl showing her face in pictures like that on a public message board? Granted, this is not the front page of Yahoo, but it's still a public board. Do her parents care what happens to her? Do her teachers care? Does her family care? Does this girl have anyone in her life who would be concerned if they saw these pics?

  8. #4286
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpcdman  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for your post.

    But I'm a little confused,"So if you want the real RT experience, it has to be an outcall"?

    What difference should it make if a lady does an incall or an outcall as to what services she offers, if she's GFE for an outcall I would think she would be the same for an incall?
    It's not about incall or outcall effecting services, it's about which girls offer GFE and which don't. It just so happens that of Kat's current girls, the GFE ones are all outcall only. In a perfect world, they'd all be GFE. Actually in my perfect world, they'd all be GFE (including BBFS with no chance of STDs or pregnancy) , and paying me. But some people say I suffer from delusions of grandeur. But I digress. Kat is a good friend of mine, and I have a tendency to get all white knight where she's involved, which is why I try to not get involved in these conversations. So I'm going to step back now. I'm sure she'll be turning up soon herself anyway to fill in the details, or correct my statements. I may know more than most, but she doesn't involve me in every detail.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.

  9. #4285
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpcdman  [View Original Post]
    "

    Great pics but to bad she's not GFE.

    You can show all the "spread" shot's you want to suck in all of us you want but when a lady isn't GFE honestly don't waste our time.

    I just looked on the RT website and I'd like to know what is "light GFE" that's a new acronym.

    Either a lady is GFE or she's not. Everything I've heard about her is that she rushes appointment's and she upsells.

    So typical of RT girls.

    Kat can say what she wants,"Well if you booked her through us she'd be GFE", that's BS.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of paying good money for less than stellar service.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Believe it or not, but there are gentlemen who are not looking for GFE.

    As for your other comments, I take great offense, especially from someone who I don't believe has ever actually been a client of ours (please correct me if I'm wrong). If you have a specific issue with one of my girls who you have actually seen yourself, then please tell me, and I'll do what I can to fix it. But please do not make such general statements about girls that you have never met. If you're looking for GFE, please mention that when booking your appointment. If you're trying to schedule with a girl who is not GFE, we'll suggest you see someone else. If you still decide to see her, don't complain you weren't happy because she wasn't GFE. It's like buying a sports car instead of a pickup truck, and then complaining that it can't tow your trailer.

    Xoxo Kat oxox

  10. #4284

    I'm confused?

    Thanks for your post.

    But I'm a little confused,"So if you want the real RT experience, it has to be an outcall"?

    What difference should it make if a lady does an incall or an outcall as to what services she offers, if she's GFE for an outcall I would think she would be the same for an incall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ho Hunter 328  [View Original Post]
    I believe RSG uses the term "light GFE" as well, although I'm unsure what the actual definition of it is. In Katie's case, I know that she does light kissing, and DATY, but no BBBJ, or DFK. I generally don't post reviews of Kat's girls because my opinion may be biased. But if you want GFE, unrushed, and certainly no up selling, then I strongly suggest you see Alicia, Autumn, Michelle, or Kat herself. I haven't had much experience with Chloe, or Jacki, so I can't really comment on them. So far as I know, all of Kat's girls currently offering incalls are not what I'd consider GFE (and they'll tell you that when booking an appointment if they know that's what you want). So if you want the real RT experience, it has to be an outcall. That's my advice for what it's worth, take it or leave it.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.

  11. #4283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ho Hunter 328  [View Original Post]
    I believe RSG uses the term "light GFE" as well, although I'm unsure what the actual definition of it is. In Katie's case, I know that she does light kissing, and DATY, but no BBBJ, or DFK. I generally don't post reviews of Kat's girls because my opinion may be biased. But if you want GFE, unrushed, and certainly no up selling, then I strongly suggest you see Alicia, Autumn, Michelle, or Kat herself. I haven't had much experience with Chloe, or Jacki, so I can't really comment on them. So far as I know, all of Kat's girls currently offering incalls are not what I'd consider GFE (and they'll tell you that when booking an appointment if they know that's what you want). So if you want the real RT experience, it has to be an outcall. That's my advice for what it's worth, take it or leave it.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.
    Autumn actually has some limited incall availability now, I posted about it last week. So if you're looking for a GFE incall, she's your girl.

    Xoxo Kat oxox

  12. #4282
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpcdman  [View Original Post]
    "

    Great pics but to bad she's not GFE.

    You can show all the "spread" shot's you want to suck in all of us you want but when a lady isn't GFE honestly don't waste our time.

    I just looked on the RT website and I'd like to know what is "light GFE" that's a new acronym.

    Either a lady is GFE or she's not. Everything I've heard about her is that she rushes appointment's and she upsells.

    So typical of RT girls.

    Kat can say what she wants,"Well if you booked her through us she'd be GFE", that's BS.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of paying good money for less than stellar service.

    Just my 2 cents.
    I believe RSG uses the term "light GFE" as well, although I'm unsure what the actual definition of it is. In Katie's case, I know that she does light kissing, and DATY, but no BBBJ, or DFK. I generally don't post reviews of Kat's girls because my opinion may be biased. But if you want GFE, unrushed, and certainly no up selling, then I strongly suggest you see Alicia, Autumn, Michelle, or Kat herself. I haven't had much experience with Chloe, or Jacki, so I can't really comment on them. So far as I know, all of Kat's girls currently offering incalls are not what I'd consider GFE (and they'll tell you that when booking an appointment if they know that's what you want). So if you want the real RT experience, it has to be an outcall. That's my advice for what it's worth, take it or leave it.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.

  13. #4281
    "

    Great pics but to bad she's not GFE.

    You can show all the "spread" shot's you want to suck in all of us you want but when a lady isn't GFE honestly don't waste our time.

    I just looked on the RT website and I'd like to know what is "light GFE" that's a new acronym.

    Either a lady is GFE or she's not. Everything I've heard about her is that she rushes appointment's and she upsells.

    So typical of RT girls.

    Kat can say what she wants,"Well if you booked her through us she'd be GFE", that's BS.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of paying good money for less than stellar service.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ho Hunter 328  [View Original Post]
    Thank you, I do what I can. I just wish that more providers would realize the value of actually using a photographer. Too many providers in my opinion would rather just use crappy cell phone pics they take themselves, or have a friend take. Or even worse, they'll just steal pics of someone else. I talk to quite a few providers who express an interest in having me shoot them, but then they seem surprised that I actually expect to be compensated fairly for my time. They can't seem to grasp the concept that most of them will easily make their money back on their first appointment, or how much it will improve their business. That's when they get the attitude that "my phone is ringing, so my current pics are good enough".

    Sorry for my little rant, it's just a subject the aggravates me. I don't expect them to "work" for free, why should they expect me to. But as Monty Python used to say, and now for something completely different. Here's Stressed Out's favorite pose from the other direction.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.

  14. #4280

    Oh my my

    Quote Originally Posted by Ho Hunter 328  [View Original Post]
    Thank you, I do what I can. I just wish that more providers would realize the value of actually using a photographer. Too many providers in my opinion would rather just use crappy cell phone pics they take themselves, or have a friend take. Or even worse, they'll just steal pics of someone else. I talk to quite a few providers who express an interest in having me shoot them, but then they seem surprised that I actually expect to be compensated fairly for my time. They can't seem to grasp the concept that most of them will easily make their money back on their first appointment, or how much it will improve their business. That's when they get the attitude that "my phone is ringing, so my current pics are good enough".

    Sorry for my little rant, it's just a subject the aggravates me. I don't expect them to "work" for free, why should they expect me to. But as Monty Python used to say, and now for something completely different. Here's Stressed Out's favorite pose from the other direction.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.
    It really is too bad that more girls don't use 'pro' pics for their ads. I'm sure that, as you said, if more did take the time for good quality pics not only would their business increase but I'm sure their sessions would be better since when the guy showed up it wouldn't start as a downer. I mean if I was going to meet a certain lady with 'expectations' that I had built up over time and when I get there I was 'disappointed' then no matter how good it turned out it wouldn't be as good as it could have been.

    Now as far as compensation. Just lookng at these beautiful and sexy girls as god intended us to look at them would be enough for me. But then again I'm not a professional photographer with equipment and time to pay for.

    And thanks for the pics and my fave pose. It certainly didn't disappoint. For some reason I didn't envision it from the other direction. You have opened my eyes to a whole new world. And obviously thank the young lady for sharing! Be good. SO

  15. #4279
    Quote Originally Posted by Asket  [View Original Post]
    Katie is a doll, you bring the best out of the girls you shoot, take care ho hunter.
    Thank you, I do what I can. I just wish that more providers would realize the value of actually using a photographer. Too many providers in my opinion would rather just use crappy cell phone pics they take themselves, or have a friend take. Or even worse, they'll just steal pics of someone else. I talk to quite a few providers who express an interest in having me shoot them, but then they seem surprised that I actually expect to be compensated fairly for my time. They can't seem to grasp the concept that most of them will easily make their money back on their first appointment, or how much it will improve their business. That's when they get the attitude that "my phone is ringing, so my current pics are good enough".

    Sorry for my little rant, it's just a subject the aggravates me. I don't expect them to "work" for free, why should they expect me to. But as Monty Python used to say, and now for something completely different. Here's Stressed Out's favorite pose from the other direction.

    Stay safe, and happy hunting.
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