"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**DeuceSlim** · 03-07-12 15:29

It looks like the pickin's down south are much better than the ones on the northern side of the Old Dominion. Good job, gents!

**F Scott** · 03-07-12 14:19

one of my more bizarre m&gs was with an sb whose profile heading was in french, whose pictures looked like high art shots, and whose text was well-written, flirtatious and intelligent. she says she's currently enrolled in a very well-respected university in chicago. she sounded perfect for me. (red flag, right? tgtbt!)

we make plans to meet at my favorite starbucks, the appointed day arrives and i settle in to a cozy table in the back with a view of the door and wait. right on time, a woman enters who bears a passing resemblance to the pictures on sa, but "fuzzier", like that movie that starred michael keaton, i think, who keeps cloning himself, but each time the copy is a little degraded. anyway, she sees me, smiles and heads over. after a slightly stiff greeting, (not the good kind of stiff) , i buy her a coffee and we settle in to the interview. i'm looking at her and thinking she's not going to be long-term, but all-in-all she's doable. i'll move this along quickly and set up an fd (fucking date) for a few days from then.

as we talk more, she tells me she is majoring in gender studies, and is in fact working on her senior thesis on, of all things, sex trafficking and **** prostitution in the us! as she is saying this, she is looking straight into my eyes, and i can hear her thinking "you pervert"! i gulp a little and wonder why it suddenly got warm in there, but sit back and listen quietly as she goes on and on about how all women are exploited by men, what scum we are, how just the act of sex enslaves a woman, the myth of the empowered stripper is just that, a myth, and so forth. i am thinking to myself,"how does she manage to keep talking without taking a breath?" and i amuse myself for a few minutes looking for gills. meanwhile, she is warming to her sermon, and her eyes are beginning to bug out and she is getting progressively louder and louder, to the point that people are looking at us. they can clearly hear her shouting "prostitutes, johns, pimps, slavery" and other such inflammatory words, and i am looking around for the emergency exit.

finally i make a huge show of looking at my watch, and pretend that i'm late for something, anything actually. we stand to go, and startlingly she smiles, gives me a hug and says,"so, will i see you again?" "not if i see you first" is what i'm thinking, but of course i tell her i will call her when i get some time, but that my work is pretty hectic at the moment. she gets a look on her face that indicates that she's heard that one before (what a surprise) , and we go our separate ways, with me thankful that i did not get pepper sprayed, which i'm pretty sure was just around the corner if she had been allowed to continue her tirade.

so i'm wondering what was up with that? i still see her profile on sa, so she is still trying to set something up, i guess. or maybe she just gets off on luring unsuspecting sds to meet with her so she can snip their balls off verbally. it took me a full day to lure little scottie out of his hiding place, and i really don't blame him one bit. fortunately, i soldiered on in my pursuit of hybs, but that was enough to put me off my feed for a week or so. whoo, got the willies just thinking about it!
be careful,
scott

**Hernando** · 03-07-12 13:39

Not a bad idea to share a few "blind alleys" as Scott says. I have a few stories which are not spectacular in any way but nevertheless, we all fail at certain times. We tend to report our successes which gives the members-particularly the new ones. The idea that this is easy.

I prospected AM for a while and had exactly 0 (yes zero) success. Now, keep in my I am a legend in my own mind.good looking, smart, successful, studly, with a package of unopened treasures to share with the lucky Pot (SA parlance=potential sexual conquest ). You can see my words dripping with sarcasm I hope.yet, most of us think we are a good catch for a variety of reasons, each unique to us Right? I made a date with a hot looking MILF.actually bordering on GILF (grandmother I'd Like.) This chick was very well preserved indeed and I was willing to give her a chance in spite of her being 30 years older than my HCB. Well, we met at Bonefish Grill where she knew the bar staff and obviously had done this meet before. We chatted and I thrilled her with my best bon mots and she remained an ice princess-polite but not warming up to my charms WTF? She should be damn lucky that an accomplished SD like me would even waste my time with an old broad. Well Dang, whan it came time to rent a Notel she told me she just wan't feeling it and thanks for the dinner and drinks. What? How picky can a GILF be? I figured she just got guys to give her dinner and drinks.

A second AM meet was a 32 yr old HAMILF (hot almost mother I'd like.) She was smoking hot at 5'4 110 see cups and long brown hair. Again.we had a great drink together and while I was walking to the car was regretting that I had only brought a three pak of Trojan Magnums. Talk about counting my chicks before they hatch. She said call her tomorrow. I did, no answer for 3 days. Finally I got her to answer an email and she wasn't feeling it either. WTF? There are a lot of unfeeling girls here. I did figure that she probably thought I was too old. Dang! I was really looking to bget into those size 2's

Fling has a bunch of HYBs-seemingly mostly blue collar girls but the equipment still looked good. Interestingly I met and bedded a 40 yr old MILF from there, a little chubby but incredibly wild and needy in bed. But after 3 runs to the Notel she dumped me.saying that she wasn't feeling good about herself. She was too fat for me anyway.ungrateful wretch!

Anyway I could go on and on but this gives a sampler of a not infrequently occurring fail. We all have to go through this before hitting the scores. The problem with those two sites is there is usually no sugar involved. It is actually easier to pay them because he who has the gold.has the power. Nando

**Castlerae** · 03-06-12 21:13

Droo,

You preach to the choir when you tell folks to treat the women right. Even on the p4p scene, a little common good manners goes a very long way to making the experience more than just another way to get your rocks off. I can't remember how many posts I've read from mongers who bragged about how they beat a provider down on her price, then in the next sentence they launched into a rant about how crappy the service was, guys, in one word or less: DDDUUUUUUHHHHHH! They should put themselves in her place for a second or two, and wonder how they'd react to what they were doing (probably not nearly as well, I'd bet!). If she's asking for more than you want to pay, make a quick counter-offer and if there's no real movement, move on. The same thing with the non-pros: if she's got a serious case of GPS, but she still interests you, make your pitch, then move on if she doesn't respond with any interest. Dickering isn't going to make her like you any more, not more happy to see you. So be nice, speak well to them, and then smile afterwards as you're lying in bed with her.

**Castlerae** · 03-06-12 21:00

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Castle, I am certain Polo is a total amateur as well. The sugar amount was paltry compared to the quality time we spent together, and it never seemed to be of prime concern. I think she just really appreciated someone treating her with kindness. I truly hope the husband continues to be a douche bag, as I will certainly be the beneficiary. As for the deep pit you see me skirting, I agree. This is an issue that I have been trying to come to grips with for some time now, and it is a little like a pebble in my shoe. I am not always aware of it, but it is always there. I think understanding why she did what she did will make it easier for me to move forward with her in a more balanced way. It can play havoc with one's insecurities to have your 20 yo ATF suddenly ignore you when you are in your 50's, and you just don't know why.

Scott

I hope that you do continue to benefit from Polo's crap husband, Master Scott. As for the rest, I was speaking from bitter experience and know of what you speak as far as rejection hurting. May none of us fall too hard, nor land with too great a damage to our selves.

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 19:40

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

I really felt compelled to post to congratulate Scott and little Scotty for a fantastic double-header (no pun intended) yesterday and to moan a little more about not yet hitting paydirt on the one SB I have met so far that could convince me to continue in a LT relationship. Scott, sounds like you now have 2 that I would die for back in my fair city. I can't even find one. But the chase has been fun I have to admit.

Alias

Alias,

I have been at this for well over a year, so don't get discouraged. I have walked, nay, run, down my share of blind alleys, believe me. Maybe we should all post up some of our most spectacular crash-and-burns just to keep things even.

If your hot blonde MILF never comes to the net, it does not mean that you are unworthy. Keep at it. It is as much the pursuit as the bedding.

Scott

**AliasSM** · 03-06-12 18:40

This forum has to be one of the best ones on USASG when everything else is considered. I have to congratulate the contributors for their willingness to share ideas, details, techniques, and both successes and failures. I'm seeing more and more comradery and the forum ages, and really think I would hang out with most of you if I met you in a bar somewhere.

So enough of the gushy stuff, I really felt compelled to post to congratulate Scott and little Scotty for a fantastic double-header (no pun intended) yesterday and to moan a little more about not yet hitting paydirt on the one SB I have met so far that could convince me to continue in a LT relationship. Scott, sounds like you now have 2 that I would die for back in my fair city. I can't even find one. But the chase has been fun I have to admit.

Droo. Welcome buddy and I totally agree with your advice. Even when I was starting out in the SW scene years ago, I discovered that treating the lady well usually paid off tenfold. And if you are thinking you may be interested in a return visit, don't lowball. You will end up saving a few bucks, but will spend much more in trying to find a quality replacement for next time around. And the good ones are always worth a return visit because the sex can sometimes be even better the 2nd or 3rd time around.

I'm out of town all week but still playing the email game with my hot blond MILF that I am so fascinated with. She keeps returning my emails, but has excuse after excuse for not being able to meet again. I think that if I had absolutely no chance with her, she would have quit returning my pesky emails weeks ago, but she does keep just enough correspondence going to keep me on the line. I want in her panties so bad I can taste (and smell) it. Maybe I'm too infatuated with her, but she is by far the best potential SB I have met so far, and has all the right attributes to really push my hot buttons.

So keep up the good posts to all that have contributed. Life is too short too not live it to its fullest.

Alias

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 17:23

Originally Posted by Droo89 [View Original Post]

Treat these women with the utmost respect. Part of what I've come to love about this is that you have to seduce these babies, woo them. This is, in a sense, real dating. With a lot of the formalities taken out.

Talk sugar if needed. Don't lowball. Realize that this is not a sport for the frugal minded. I have my limit set for myself and if what they're looking for is too much, move on. I used to do the escort route. A typical good, good looking, well reviewed escort can set you back 3 to 4. For an hour. I have no problem investing that in a sexy baby and getting an eight hour date with her. To me, it's a no brainer.

Don't be afraid of rejection. If someone's profile interests you, send her a message. Even if what she is looking for is out of your range. Be honest with them. I've found that some good looks, some charm and honesty can go a long way. My confidence level grew after my first successful date, and that comes across in my approach to potentials. They want someone genuine. We all know there are probably a lot of time wasters doing this.

I like to communicate with potentials a bit before we even set something up, to see if there is chemistry. It could take a week or two. For me, it's an important step. I have no interest in meeting someone who may not be in to me. Also, inevitably it leads to a more sexual vibe. When it finally comes down to meeting, there's a good amount of sexual tension that we both know where it's headed.

Last thing. My experiences, thus far, have taught me that these babies, once you open them up and make them feel comfortable, will blow you away with their eagerness and desire.

Later.

These are observations we should all keep in mind. As I have said before, most of these little babies are not pros, nor even semi-pros. One can't interact with them on a straight P4P timeline or mindset. Just like back in college, it can take some time and effort to land them, but as Droo and others have pointed out, the cost to time spent ratio is the lowest one can find, and the rewards, as well as the pitfalls, can be enormous.

Good to hear from you,

Scott

**LuckyLou** · 03-06-12 16:55

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

If I could meet the man who invented Viagra, I would kiss him on the lips.

Scott

I would stick my tongue up his ass if he wanted me to.

LL

**Droo89** · 03-06-12 16:46

Yes, I am married. I'm 41.

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Congratulations for your successes and for sharing them with all of us. Out of curiosity are you married? And what decade are you in age?

We look forward to learning some lessons from you. Nando

**Hernando** · 03-06-12 16:16

Congratulations for your successes and for sharing them with all of us. Out of curiosity are you married? And what decade are you in age?

We look forward to learning some lessons from you. Nando

**Droo89** · 03-06-12 15:32

Greetings all! Let me start by giving a big thank you to the creators of this thread. I truly was eye opening.

I live in a smaller market, so I've focused my attention on a much larger area to the south. I'm only using SA for my search. So far I've met three young ladies.

The first was an art school student. Sexy, smart, uninhibited. Amazing sex and even better down time. We blew each other away which scared us to the point of calling it off. We still communicate intermittently.

Second was an incredibly hot, sexy 24 year old. Her goal is to be adored and desired. Not usually my type, but I'm glad we met. Insatiable is a good way to describe her. Within 30 seconds of the first time we met, she was on her knees unzipping me.

We still are in touch and have plans to keep seeing each other.

The third was just yesterday. Alt model. Tall, lean and slightly androgynous. And she has bright orange hair.

26 years old. Traveled the world. I was her first experience. Met her for lunch at an upscale steakhouse where every head turned when she walked in. I loved it. She was nervous, as was I. Had a decent lunch and a couple of drinks. Went upstairs to a very nice room to continue the fun. I took it slow until she pounced on me. Then, it was on. Everything and anything was available. Went through a three pack.

A few things I've learned on my own, as well as from this board, but mostly from a trusted friend here.

Treat these women with the utmost respect. Part of what I've come to love about this is that you have to seduce these babies, woo them. This is, in a sense, real dating. With a lot of the formalities taken out.

Talk sugar if needed. Don't lowball. Realize that this is not a sport for the frugal minded. I have my limit set for myself and if what they're looking for is too much, move on. I used to do the escort route. A typical good, good looking, well reviewed escort can set you back 3 to 4. For an hour. I have no problem investing that in a sexy baby and getting an eight hour date with her. To me, it's a no brainer.

Don't be afraid of rejection. If someone's profile interests you, send her a message. Even if what she is looking for is out of your range. Be honest with them. I've found that some good looks, some charm and honesty can go a long way. My confidence level grew after my first successful date, and that comes across in my approach to potentials. They want someone genuine. We all know there are probably a lot of time wasters doing this.

I like to communicate with potentials a bit before we even set something up, to see if there is chemistry. It could take a week or two. For me, it's an important step. I have no interest in meeting someone who may not be in to me. Also, inevitably it leads to a more sexual vibe. When it finally comes down to meeting, there's a good amount of sexual tension that we both know where it's headed.

Last thing. My experiences, thus far, have taught me that these babies, once you open them up and make them feel comfortable, will blow you away with their eagerness and desire.

Later.

**F Scott** · 03-06-12 11:42

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

I lay down a challenge for one of our fellow board members to try to top the now immortal Scotty! Can it be done? Or is it a matter of "you want to be like him but you can't?"

It is just that Fortune smiled on me that day, as she will on all of us sooner or later.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**BigTigger** · 03-06-12 10:13

Good Work Scotty my man!

**Magic Rat** · 03-06-12 10:11

Hot damn Scotty! Kudos my man. And my SB is 2 hours away and busy all week. You really know how to hurt a fellow monger.

I lay down a challenge for one of our fellow board members to try to top the now immortal Scotty! Can it be done? Or is it a matter of "you want to be like him but you can't?"

Awesome sounding time my man. Rest up for the next round later in the week.