"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Dirty Dingus** · 03-01-12 18:32

Originally Posted by Francis Eight [View Original Post]

Hey guys. Been lurking, great information on here, thought I would add my $.02. FWIW I'm a decent looking, middle aged white guy.

I joined Ashley Madison several years ago, have had some success, but have found that its a lot of work, and you always have the SO drama, so have backed off of that site. Typically go weeks without checking my account. But. When it works, its great / free.

Stumbled on this thread, great info. Joined SD4me first, then SA as the selection around Richmond looked better on that site. Am trying to cancel my SD4me subscription but so far no response from them, anyone have any suggestions?

So my experience. First my rules are a) no face pics (I tell them I am the Governor of Chesterfield and can't send my pics around. But I do have a tasteful body shot. Most are fine with this. If not, I assume they are too difficult and / or are scammers (had a chica on AM try to blackmail me once, so I use a web-based email and a throwaway phone) be) I lay out sugar expectations early on ($2-300 per meet, etc. Etc.)

Thus far have had some success with SA, may have a date with a college baby tonight. I've found they fall into three categories:

1. Ridiculous expectations. Met a hot Asian college baby in Harrisonburg for a drink. She informed me it was $1K per night. In Harrisonburg. I could own Harrisonburg for $1k per night.

2. Pros or semi-pros. Works for me. Don't know if they are UTR are not, but have had some fun with girls I would not have otherwise met (have never seen them on BP, so assume they are UTR)

3. Regular chicas. These are tougher fish to land, but pretty awesome when landed. I find the "simple country girl" type works best. Very appreciative for reasonable $ once they know you are not a creep. Am guessing the MILFs work this way as well, have only met one I would classify as a MILF and she wanted too much $ for my taste. Nice girl though.

One note. I had a spectacular success while traveling on business. Searched the town I was going to, put out the "I'm going to be in your town for a few nights, would love to meet up with someone to hang out with". Met a hot young Emo / Goth chick, great time for $2-300 per night while I was there. Wow. Might have to go back to her town.

Thanks again for all the info! Hope this helps someone.

Sometimes the only way to get SD4me to respond is to post something derogatory in your profile about the website, and your inability to cancel your membership. This seems to get their attention faster. They purposely ignore membership cancellation requests to scam more money out of its members. The only language they understand is threatening them with legal action. I posted my way of dealing with them a few months ago.

**Fixinit** · 03-01-12 17:52

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

It turns out that her excuses for missing two appointments last week were probably true. One thing we all need to realize about our babies is that they do have real life events that can get in the way of intimacy. They just have to realize that keeping their Daddies happy should be their # 1 priority.

Nando I could not have said it better myself. This is the problem I have with my ATF. I try to be as patient as possible and once we do get together I forget about all of the aggravation.

**Hernando** · 03-01-12 17:18

Big Tigg.you ARE the man! You filled up your dance card for the entire week for slightly more than I pay for one all night session. When do your classes start at J Sarge? I'm signing up!

**Member #4103** · 03-01-12 14:26

Guy,

I understand and will lower my base to $1-200, truth is like you that is about my max unless she looks like Tera Patrick.

And agree best to not talk sugar until after you have them on the line, to continue the lame fishing analogy.

Fwiw just got an email from one I saw on BP as an escort. Same pic. You think they would figure that out. So do I call her on it? Or just book through BP.

**AliasSM** · 03-01-12 13:37

I was also on SD4Me site about a year ago and it took me 4 months to finally cancel. I call my CC company and refuted payment. They made the contact with the SD site and got no response so removed the charges. I went through that process at least 3 months in a row before the billing stopped. According to my CC company, they get charged a fee every time a charge is successfully reversed for cause, so it's always helpful to formally refute even small charges you disagree with.

I'd highly recommend the disposable card route if you want to do business with this scum site.

Alias

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

One of my online buddies has told me he uses a $50 prepaid debit card to pay on SD4me. I've signed up for the site a couple of times and really had no trouble cancelling, but the last time was over two years ago so I can't really speak for how it is now. If they will accept the prepaid card, seems like you can't go wrong there.

**Member #5055** · 03-01-12 13:24

Sheesh! It's guys like you that make it hard for guys like me to get away with. 8 to $ LOL.

Once they get that much honey from you, they expect it every time!

I won't say the hot college SBs are not worth it, but try to keep it down to $$ will ya. That is pretty much my max.

The MILFs are the bargains on SA! They are on for both the sex and the $, so their $ expectancy is much lower as they do NOT regard themselves as hookers.

Myself I never discuss sugar up front. Always say I am generous and that they will be happy. If I know I am not ever going to see them again. I will leave a low amount as I do not care. If I really like them, I up it some. If they do not like it; they as well have the choice not to see me again.

Not being too harsh am I here guys?. Just trying to be real.

Originally Posted by Francis Eight [View Original Post]

I lay out sugar expectations early on ($2-300 per meet, etc. Etc.)

**Magic Rat** · 03-01-12 13:21

Francis,

Well to the flock my man! You seem to be pretty spot on with your classifications. I haven't really had much experience with a pro advertising, but I live in a small town area and the pros use the same pics on their profile as they do on the escort sites. I've had a few communications from the women with GPS as we call it here. I wish them luck in their quest. Practically all of my meets have been with the normal women who need some financial assistance and aren't grossed out by a middle aged guy. You just never know how things will turn out as I've had many one and dones, but I've also had a couple of pretty lengthy relationships. There's more than one way to skin a cat as we say in the South, so just enjoy.

One of my online buddies has told me he uses a $50 prepaid debit card to pay on SD4me. I've signed up for the site a couple of times and really had no trouble cancelling, but the last time was over two years ago so I can't really speak for how it is now. If they will accept the prepaid card, seems like you can't go wrong there.

**Zman429** · 03-01-12 12:07

Originally Posted by Francis Eight [View Original Post]

Am trying to cancel my SD4me subscription but so far no response from them, anyone have any suggestions?

See if there is a website on your credit card statement, if so you might be able to cancel using it. That's what I had to do for benaughty. Com, sham by the way. Also, you can dispute charge if you've contacted them and they don't cancel.

**Member #4103** · 03-01-12 10:50

Was wondering. When you do the out of town thing, how specific are you about what you want and are willing to spend?

My approach was. Basically in nice language say "I'm looking to meet for drinks / dinner, then if we like each other we can take it from there". Upside is its less threatening and should make it more likely they will come meet, then, as they say, the fish is that much closer to the boat. Problem with that approach is you get the girl like in Harrisonburg who wanted $1k to spend the night. Which I'm just not going to do.

I guess the other approach is to come right out and say "I'm willing to spend $x assuming we end up having some adult fun", which would help weed out the platinum-diggers, but might make it less likely that they would meet. Be / see they would feel more like a call girl. Which is ironic.

Any guidance?

**F Scott** · 03-01-12 10:01

Originally Posted by Francis Eight [View Original Post]

Am trying to cancel my SD4me subscription but so far no response from them, anyone have any suggestions?

One note. I had a spectacular success while traveling on business. Searched the town I was going to, put out the "I'm going to be in your town for a few nights, would love to meet up with someone to hang out with". Met a hot young Emo / Goth chick, great time for $2-300 per night while I was there. Wow. Might have to go back to her town.

Welcome to the brotherhood, Francis!

Many of us have had trouble canceling SD4Me accounts. I finally had to contact the credit card company and cancel that card. One of the other members put some highly derogatory comments on his profile about SD4Me and they cancelled it themselves, but the consensus is that unless you do something drastic yourself, they will keep on billing you. That's why I prefer SA. Pay for the month, and when it's up, no access to babies unless you re-up for another month.

Also, glad to hear the On-the-Road gambit worked for you. It is ridiculously easy, most of the time, to connect with HYBs who are more than willing to come to the net.

Keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.

Scott

**Member #4103** · 03-01-12 08:51

Hey guys. Been lurking, great information on here, thought I would add my $.02. FWIW I'm a decent looking, middle aged white guy.

I joined Ashley Madison several years ago, have had some success, but have found that its a lot of work, and you always have the SO drama, so have backed off of that site. Typically go weeks without checking my account. But. When it works, its great / free.

Stumbled on this thread, great info. Joined SD4me first, then SA as the selection around Richmond looked better on that site. Am trying to cancel my SD4me subscription but so far no response from them, anyone have any suggestions?

So my experience. First my rules are a) no face pics (I tell them I am the Governor of Chesterfield and can't send my pics around. But I do have a tasteful body shot. Most are fine with this. If not, I assume they are too difficult and / or are scammers (had a chica on AM try to blackmail me once, so I use a web-based email and a throwaway phone) be) I lay out sugar expectations early on ($2-300 per meet, etc. Etc.)

Thus far have had some success with SA, may have a date with a college baby tonight. I've found they fall into three categories:

1. Ridiculous expectations. Met a hot Asian college baby in Harrisonburg for a drink. She informed me it was $1K per night. In Harrisonburg. I could own Harrisonburg for $1k per night.

2. Pros or semi-pros. Works for me. Don't know if they are UTR are not, but have had some fun with girls I would not have otherwise met (have never seen them on BP, so assume they are UTR)

3. Regular chicas. These are tougher fish to land, but pretty awesome when landed. I find the "simple country girl" type works best. Very appreciative for reasonable $ once they know you are not a creep. Am guessing the MILFs work this way as well, have only met one I would classify as a MILF and she wanted too much $ for my taste. Nice girl though.

One note. I had a spectacular success while traveling on business. Searched the town I was going to, put out the "I'm going to be in your town for a few nights, would love to meet up with someone to hang out with". Met a hot young Emo / Goth chick, great time for $2-300 per night while I was there. Wow. Might have to go back to her town.

Thanks again for all the info! Hope this helps someone.

**Zman429** · 03-01-12 01:02

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

I got my first "not sure if I can continue to do this" message from a 30 yo that I have been seeing occasionally since November. She wouldn't have lasted much longer in my lineup anyway, but it was interesting to hear her reasons that our meetings were starting to get to her conscience.

You're leaving out the best part LOL

**UKnowWho** · 03-01-12 00:35

Originally Posted by Zman429 [View Original Post]

SA is free to the babies so I suggest concentrating on babies that have logged on recently.

Thanks for the advice. I didn't know the site was free for the girls (should've assumed) , so it makes sense there'd be a high rate of girls signing up then deciding it's not for them and not sticking around long.

Thankfully it turns out I was premature in thinking my pic had scared off the one girl. She emailed me today asking to reschedule. After being used to the quick-fix of contacting an escort, I guess I'm going to need to cultivate some patience, LOL.

**Castlerae** · 02-29-12 22:37

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

Thanks for helping me to keep things in a lighter perspective. Like, OMG, I was so totally stressing out about this!

I had planned to keep the appointment in any event. Although these babies are playing at grown-up games, it is important to remember, at least in this case, that she is barely 21. I think I am prepared for most eventualities, with the possible exception of "I want to have your baby". Brrr, that one gives me the willies!

I am guessing, like life, it will be more complicated than any of us can surmise from the outside. We are having lunch at that gastro-pub / inn that I have posted about before. My thinking here is that if it is a kiss-off, at least I will have a great lunch, and if it is not, perhaps they will have a room for us.

At least I have my Polo mom to look forward to on Monday. I have informed her of my desire to change venues and she is down with that."I'll bring some candles" is about the only thing she said that I can genteelly quote here, but she apparently has a keen interest in the Wild West, as she mentioned something about riding little Scottie like a bronco. Yay! Or should I say "yippee ki yi yay"?

What a life!

Scott

Damn, Master Scott, my hat's off to you! Not only do you have the hot redhead on fire for some sweaty fun, you've got a potential line back to your HYCB. Who knows, with a bit of luck, next Tuesday, you might be on here relating your reignited passion with HYCB AND your 'Wild West show; meeting with the redhead too.

Ride'them cowboy!

**AliasSM** · 02-29-12 22:28

It's great to see a few new contributors to the forum, and that some of the old pros are still providing advice and encouragement. I don't have much else to contribute since last week. The warden is back in the house and opportunities have to be carefully scheduled. I got my first "not sure if I can continue to do this" message from a 30 yo that I have been seeing occasionally since November. She wouldn't have lasted much longer in my lineup anyway, but it was interesting to hear her reasons that our meetings were starting to get to her conscience.

My mid-20s hot blond SB that has been playing hard to get does at least continue to correspond with email new have only met once and she the FC is still but a distant dream. I've been trying to line up that important 2nd meeting all week before the trail gets too cold, but without success.

Scott, I'll be in your fine city next week on business. Let me know if there is any discards that you feel like tossing my way to make my week go faster. I'll have to delay any more playing around the home town for another week until inget back to town.

No dates set for this week. And I'm in withdrawal. You all didn't warn me that this hobby is so habit forming.

Stay safe and keep the posts coming.

Alias