"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Rrguy]

Gentlemen of Richmond:

I have to applaud you for your exploits. I saw this thread one morning on the front page and have been following it since. As I have tried my luck in beautiful Knoxville, TN, on both SD4me and SA, I thought I might share a couple of experiences, both good and bad.

SD4me had a reasonably large selection of ladies in this area. I set up an account without a pic, paid for the full deal so I could email, etc. Two hits, three misses. First hit (SB1) was a 20-yr old girl newly moved to this area from another state. Had some modeling pics, told me she used to be a dancer in Florida. When I got her number, googled it and found a BP ad from last spring (2011) in the DC area. Pics matched. Sugar was not mentioned, and I picked her up, took her to the FC, and had a very energetic romp in the hay. Before a second romp, however, further google from some of our conversation led me to find a criminal record in her previous home state, and a continuing probation. Great sex, but given the background and the possibility that she is a professional, I backed off. Sugar was reasonable at below average here for a backpage girl. A whole afternoon (4 hours!) of fucking for $$.

SB2 was another success. 25-yr old bi-sexual personal trainer. Short hair, tattoos, kinda thick-athletic bod. Had a really crappy apartment that always smelled like 420, but really got into the sex. Problem with her was she became a little too friendly and dependent. Began to get lots of emails like "rent's due, I need you to come see me", etc. I had set out at the beginning my limits on how often I could visit, amount of sugar, etc. Last couple of visits she also seemed to be getting a little attached emotionally, so I had to break it off after 5 or 6 really good times. Last week she emailed out of the blue, saying she had a hotel room and "I have to see you", even offered a break in the sugar amount, but I declined for now.

On all of my SB's, either on SD4me or SA, I have used a completely false name, a false email tied to the false name, never used my cell phone unless I blocked the number, and only used a very old, blurry photo from which all distinguishing characteristics were photoshopped out. Also made sure my vehicle was cleaned out and parked where the license plate was hidden.

My SD4me strikeouts: first (SB3) was a girl who had me pay-pal her a little sugar up-front. I know, rule number 1. But I had her address, number, etc. And had done some background checking, so I thought it would work out, as things matched up. Unfortunately, she disappeared, I was out the money and learned a valuable lesson again. SB4 was just a tease. Never actually wanted to meet, always had some excuse. Internet research eventually showed me she is still a high school senior, so even though she may be 18, don't want to go there (even though it might be fun!) SB5 was a girl who lived near me. 28, MILF with three kids and a bad marriage. Had some nice discussion, sent me some great pics of her bod, flirty phone conversations. Met her in the parking lot of her place of employment twice to chat. She was very excited about meeting in the FC, then one day disappeared. Emailed 3 days later. Her phone was cut off. Went to see her at her work again, and I volunteered to help with the bill. She did not want to accept, but finally did and said I wouldn't regret it as she really appreciated the help, right before the holidays. The next weekend, failed ot answer a text at the agreed time and later emailed hubby had had her phone. Luckily texting thru email on smartphone, so my number is still safe. After that, no responses other than that they were having financial and marriage problems, holidays were stressful, etc. I sent here an email saying cool, I I will back off, contact me after the first of the year when things calm down. So far, nothing, but I know where she works and will drop by one day just to chat. Not out much at all, and might still be a good investment.

Will save SA stories for another post!

[F Scott]

Scott, you are a gentleman AND a scholar.

Well, Lit, I have you to thank for starting this thread and opening my eyes to the wonders of these little babies and the pursuit as a whole. I would gladly cede the leader's spot, if indeed I am there, to anyone who gains more experience. In my mind, we are all winners, right?

Scott

[Literal2]

I opened my email this morning and found these from my former employee. Hooray!

Scott, you are a gentleman AND a scholar.

[Varoom]

<edit del>found these from my former employee. Hooray! Rather than making me feel like enough is enough, however, they make me want to fuck her so badly I can clearly hear the "slap, slap slap" of me pounding her wet pussy. Insanity doesn't just creep up on you, my brothers, it hits in a flash.

Scotty,

Those are some fine looking photos. We can see the alure of the days back when in the copier room; hmmmm.

Back when you originally posted about this former ee' being found on SD site, I was going to comment then, but decided to refrain.

My original thought then when first reading about your plans to pursue and see if you couldn't entice her to send photos was, Oh boy. Scotty's will power will be under assault soon, and doubtful that once you get some encouragement from a half-begging naked Latino gal, that little Scotty is going to be able to refrain.

So I suppose I am saying that you will be parting her flesh within say, the next 3 weeks, or so. And then what? This will be another fine fix little Scotty has gotten ole Dad into.

Still time to block the email address or her acct on SD4M, before you end up taking the plunge. Think, use the BIG head sir. But, it sure would be fun to dive into, no doubt.

All the best to you on your decision, Vroom.

[F Scott]

Scott,

This reminded me of a special little * I met when I was 18 & traveling through Europe. She was Italian, with dark brown, curly hair and vividly blue eyes. An absolutely incredible body. Spoke English quite well, but it's an amazing turn on to hear all in-situ fuck phrases in Italian. Oh the memories.

Thanks to all the contributors. I've been reading this thread for months. Just haven't started pursuing SBs yet. I'm living vicariously through your stories.

Sean,

I had a similar experience in college while I was living in France. One of the things I remember so vividly, besides the fuck-talk in French, was her vast lingerie wardrobe. Always matching, always interesting and alluring, and always fun to look at and remove. I actually thought long and hard about dropping out of school and moving in with her. Ah youth!

When you finally take the SB plunge, let us know. You will find everyone on this thread more than happy to help and share advice.

Good luck, and don't forget to write,

Scott

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

Imagine my surprise and delight when I opened my email this morning and found these from my former employee. Hooray! Rather than making me feel like enough is enough, however, they make me want to fuck her so badly I can clearly hear the "slap, slap slap" of me pounding her wet pussy. Insanity doesn't just creep up on you, my brothers, it hits in a flash.
Enjoy,

Scott.

[Seanrinva]

Scott,

This reminded me of a special little **** I met when I was 18 & traveling through Europe. She was Italian, with dark brown, curly hair and vividly blue eyes. An absolutely incredible body. Spoke English quite well, but it's an amazing turn on to hear all in-situ fuck phrases in Italian. Oh the memories.

Thanks to all the contributors. I've been reading this thread for months. Just haven't started pursuing SBs yet. I'm living vicariously through your stories.

Lit,

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*why","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

[AliasSM]

Still a novice at this game and have only been pursuing the SBs through CL and other sources so far. I plan to join either SB4Me or SA within the next few weeks to start the new year out right. Meanwhile, I have a 3rd meeting with by current SB tonight and am really looking forward to seeing her. It's been several weeks and she is having trouble with the rent, so there is plenty of incentive for the both of us. She is the same 30 yo that I have been in contact with since Nov. She really seems to enjoy our sessions and we both leave the FC plenty drained. I'll report on my future activities after joining a regular site. You have all been a tremendous inspiration to get me moving in 2012.

[Literal2]

***forgot which area this thread is under. With that in mind, if I could suggest to Jackson, it might be a good idea to move this thread out into the separate area for other "specialist" threads. Make it easier to find for everyone who might be interested.***Good luck to all, and hoping I have something to report here someday soon.

Castle, it is ok with me if it is ok with the others and Jackson to move the thread. It's been suggested before and we have enough contributors from outside the Richmond area now.

I see the need to reevaluate my perspective. I'm going to do my best to keep from getting caught up in the game at the expense of the objective: Getting SB's into the fucking chamber and the panties on the floor.

Subcmdr, the magic of the fucking chamber is when you get an sb into it, her panties will automatically drop off. She's already made the decision. You don't have to ask "will you let me fuck you?" you just have to say "let's meet in my room." If she shows up, she will let you fuck her. In my experience this is a difference between sbs and escorts.

***arrange to meet her outside the FC for a drink, with the understanding that as long as you are both in good humor after consumption of a bevg, that you will head to the FC***

Vroom, I agree this is a logical intermediate step if one is needed.

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

Scott, the way you are gong I think you could probably pull it off, but you're right, it's risky. It's fun to think about though. Re naked pix, I got several the other day from one of my out of state sbs I hadn't heard from for a while. One was of her dripping pussy, which was nice. She proceeded to masturbate with a dildo while texting me. I'd like to share this stuff but won't because she took the pix and so perhaps could identify them, although I guess a dripping pussy is just a dripping pussy and not like a fingerprint or anything. I do like to take my own pix and post them here from time to time, but I'm the only person who can tie the pic to the girl.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*y","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Scott, you are something else. Inspirational. I think those Brit accents are sexy too but I've never fucked one. I'm pretty sure I'd like it though because every time a girl tells me "fuck me harder" in any accent, it commands my attention.

Please keep us posted on your baby count, which I think you said is 16 so far. Leadership has its duties. Several of the mongers here, Cool for example, may be closing in on you. I might try to run you down and pass you myself, assuming I can stay out of the nursing home for another few months.

[SubCmdr]

Scott & Lit,

Masterful advice well written and taken. An email has been sent requesting a "test drive" in the fucking chamber. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. She is not that high on the hotness scale. She is a MILF in her 40's, average across the board.

I see the need to reevaluate my perspective. I'm going to do my best to keep from getting caught up in the game at the expense of the objective: Getting SB's into the fucking chamber and the panties on the floor.

Cmdr out

[Castlerae]

Sorry for not getting back here sooner, forgot which area this thread is under. With that in mind, if I could suggest to Jackson, it might be a good idea to move this thread out into the separate area for other "specialist" threads. Make it easier to find for everyone who might be interested.

Set a profile up on SA w / pic, but haven't 'pulled the trigger' on making it a paid-for account yet. A large part of that is the lack of any real prospects in the area I was hoping to "fish" in. Something like eight from a large-ish university town I had hoped would be a 'happy hunting ground', and more than half of those haven't been accessed for months. Guess patience is the watch-word.

Good luck to all, and hoping I have something to report here someday soon.

[Literal2]

Lit,

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*why","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Latina body double was a no-show, and I'm done. Just too flaky, and fucking time is too hard to secure to have it be iffy that the required other half will show or not. Out of town over-nighter with my ATF now looks dubious as well, but in town is solid, so I have that to look forward to for next week.

Irish Cherokee continues to show positive signs. I really, really do not want to get my hopes up on this, but she is so naturally beautiful, and I would so like for it to work out, it's hard not to think about it in the positive. I am trying not to push on a string, but it requires all my meager will power to do so. Wish me luck, my brothers.

Scott

Good luck Scott. You are number one on the Leader Board by my count, but don't slack off, several sb mongers are closing in on you.

[Literal2]

During email exchange with a pot SB meeting place and time was set. She wanted to talk sugar. If they insist I'll talk about it. But, I don't negotiate. My thoughts are that if they have a specific amount in mind they are not going to be happy with any less. As suggested on this forum, I have the amount I'm willing to part with and I stick with it. Pot SB relates a story that she had a wonderful SD that visited her 4 times a monthat1K per visit. In addition the relationship lasted six months. A 24K part time job. Not bad work if you can find it. LOL I reply that's nice what is the minimum amount of sugar you need to make you happy. Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

SubCom, this is the classic argument with an sb. I always try to avoid these. Sometimes it's not possible I know.

Re her 1K per visit backdoor man, suggest you tell her to go back to him. There are many many other sbs available.

Re the lower amounts, you are well off to kiss her goodbye and move on if she's not worth it to you.

Could she be worth it? Well: if she's a dog to you, no. But then why do you want to fuck her?

If she's drop dead gorgeous and moves like a dancer, maybe. The price is around the higher end escort price so it falls into the category of baseline sugar which is normalized escort prices for the locale plus or minus based on factors. It's a negotiation and sometimes you have to do it. My opinion is it is always better to avoid talking about sugar up front.

But wait. Didn't she leave you an opening? She said "whatever is fair."

Why say no?

Say ok. Take her to your fucking chamber and fuck her. Afterwards give her what you think is fair. If she comes back again, the prior negotiation was irrelevant. If she doesn't, at least you have fucked her.

With respect, my take is you are trying to protect your dignity in the negotiations when there's no reason to do that.

All you have to do is fuck her.

So fuck her.

Keep us posted.

[Varoom]

Her reply $$$$/visit. My reply, no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. Next day writes me and says $$$/visit or whatever you think is fair. I tell her once again no thank you and I hope you find what you are looking for. She writes back a nasty message to me stating she doesn't understand why I won't give her a chance. I'm laughing to myself.

Still looking for my first success.

Cmdr out

Cmdr is a tough negotiator. You might consider an alteration in your tactic and you will surely have your first conquest before you with this SB.

She is asking you for a chance. Obviously she is inexperienced, as well as are you. Why not tell her what you are willing to pay and let her respond.

In fact, I would write back to her, apologetically, and tell her that you thought it over realized that maybe you were being too harsh by not making an offer to her of what you are willing to pay, and let her know XX. See what her response is back to you. She wants the gig, and likely needs the gig (or maybe gag) , and you should give her the opportunity, IMO.

Since you've had a rough edge or two here to start with this little dolly, you might even arrange to meet her outside the FC for a drink, with the understanding that as long as you are both in good humor after consumption of a bevg, that you will head to the FC. This way if she is anything but eating out of your hand, then no dice. But that is just how I would handle such and encounter. Others will surely differ here.

[F Scott]

I like that game. There's something about anonymously seducing a girl you know that's exciting. Like you were feeling up your neighbor's wife in a dark theater. Why not extend your effort with the girl you truly and secretly lust for? Get her to meet you someplace it's hard to see your features clearly. Wear a simple disguise. Glasses, hat. Speak as little as possible, using a fake accent. Explain for security you can only spend a few minutes with her in public. Have a prepared fucking chamber nearby. Say you love a romantic encounter. Slip her a key and ask her to precede you, turn out all lights and wait for you in bed. Tell her to help herself to the open bottle of champagne in the ice bucket and pour you a glass. Mention there is a small gift for her on the bedside table but not to open it. Give her 15 minutes, then quietly enter the room using another key. Turn on the ipod you left hooked up to some speakers near the door. Remove your clothes in the dark, creep into bed beside her and fuck her violently, making sure she cums at least twice. While she's recovering from her ecstasy, or maybe just using the bathroom, quietly put your clothes back on and leave. Be sure to pick up the ipod. Don't worry about the speakers, she'll never take them. You won't have much time so I suggest you chug the glass of champagne on your way out. This should enhance the effect.

Lit,

While I appreciate your confidence in me, I have to admit that my balls are nowhere near big enough for what you suggest, though it does add imagery to my fantasy (thank you). I feel that naked pictures are close at hand, however, and I am thinking I will share them if I can crop her face out.

On another note, I had an almost mystical reuniting with my very dirty British baby yesterday, about which I will post later. Words like "pus*y","co*k","sl*t", the classic "fuck me harder" and any more you can think of are somehow, at least for me, almost unbearably erotic when said with a Princess Di accent. Good God!

Latina body double was a no-show, and I'm done. Just too flaky, and fucking time is too hard to secure to have it be iffy that the required other half will show or not. Out of town over-nighter with my ATF now looks dubious as well, but in town is solid, so I have that to look forward to for next week.

Irish Cherokee continues to show positive signs. I really, really do not want to get my hopes up on this, but she is so naturally beautiful, and I would so like for it to work out, it's hard not to think about it in the positive. I am trying not to push on a string, but it requires all my meager will power to do so. Wish me luck, my brothers.

Scott