"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

After reading the back-and-forth about security and multiple babies, I thought I might share, for what it's worth, my approach to the issue.

As I see it, most of us have two fronts of concern when it comes to security: the home front and the outside world.

As for the home front, I have a laptop that I use that is separate from the house computer, and my SO has her own lap top that she uses. I make certain to always use the "private browsing" option when doing anything SB related, and always close everything down at the end. In addition, I have set my preferences in both browsers to erase everything upon closing. I have a paper-less, online statement only credit card that my SO is unaware of that I use for all SD-related billing, such as hotels, meds, SA subscriptions etc, and pay cash for everything else unless it is impossible to do so.

For contacting babies, I have a dedicated email account, with a "name" in the address that is play on my fake SA name, which I crafted based on a Whitepages search of names in my area. There is, in fact, some poor shmo who has the same name as I have taken, and is approximately my same age, but I'm guessing has not fucked as many babies as I have. I have set up a facebook page under that same name, with very little info on it, just in case the baby googles my SA name. I have a private photo on my profile that is permission-only access, and it is a picture I took myself in the mirror, so it can't be tin-eyed to anywhere else. Similarly, I have a photo I send from my email address that likewise appears no where else.

As for my car, I keep all receipts, registration, manuals, etc in the wheel well in the back. Nothing with my name on it is kept anywhere a baby could get her hands on. As for tracing a license plate, that is a distant and unlikely fear, as I understand it. A friend of mine who is a detective with the Chicago police department told me that all plate look-ups are recorded, and have to correspond to a legitimate write-up, otherwise it gets looked into and the guy who did it will be reprimanded or written up himself. This means that a baby would have to have a close friend or relative willing to take some heat for her in order to trace your plate. Possible, but not likely.

Lastly, I never share my real name with any baby, nor what I really do for a living. I have concocted a "close enough" profession for the purposes of small talk that allows me to sound like I know what I'm talking about, but not exact enough that an enterprising baby could ever find the real one.

All this helps me to feel comfortable with my activities, and so far, thank the Lord, have not had any issues. I am hoping that it stays that way, and in reality my feeling is that these little fish are just looking for the cash and a good pounding, and not criminally-minded. I have thought about the danger of black mail, and honestly don't know what I would do in that instance. It only works if you let it work; the baby has nothing to gain from contacting your SO, so maybe calling her bluff is an option. I'm not sure I have balls big enough for that, but desperate men do desperate things.

In short, the married SD life is the life of a secret agent, and must be approached as such. If I am meeting a baby for coffee or lunch or a workout in the city, I make sure to mention to my SO that I have work there just in case a girlfriend of hers says that she saw my car in such and such a neighborhood that day. With a little advanced thought, and a rigidly-followed procedure for covering one's tracks, the risk of outing can be kept to a minimum, I believe.

Hope this is helpful. It is a little more stream of consciousness than I normally like, but I trust you will forgive the lack of polish in favor of what I hope is some good advice.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[F Scott]

The code of the sd is to seek happiness without doing harm

Gentlemen,

How nice to return from vacation and see so many interesting and informative posts. We have a great start on the new year, let's keep up the pace.

Lit, good to see you back and posting. Hopefully you will be back up to speed soon. Your above comment, along with several pms, have helped to clarify this situation for me. My "celibacy" was self-imposed, and not something I had discussed with my ATF nor asked of her. It's like I put myself on double secret probation, and now, looking at it in the clear light of a new year, it seems silly and pointless. There are just too many sweet, sweet babies out there to limit myself to just one.

Not all of them will consent to be landed, I know, but as I have stated before, I like the pursuit almost as much as the goal, so I am getting my tackle out again, and heading off to the SA pool to see who is rising. I am scheduled for an aerobics class with my ATF later this morning, and Scottie and I are eagerly anticipating getting a good sweat on, but there are a few other little fish that I have been casting to from time to time, just to keep my skills from eroding, and I may just see if I can get them to bite.

As for the Irish Cherokee that prompted my conceptual dilemma, she has had what I can only characterize as a full-out panic attack, and has disappeared, at least for the foreseeable future. And this after several text exchanges about the exact nature of her sexual appetite and skill set. Ah well, such is life. As has been stated before, they are a quixotic breed. While I regret congratulating myself prematurely in public, I do appreciate the assistance from you all in clarifying my thoughts on the whole issue.

As always, my brothers, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.

Scott

PS - the two most promising, or should I say interesting, babies of the moment are another art student (yay) and an artist / modern burlesque dancer (hooray). In my experience, both of these categories of babies are wild in bed. Wish me luck!

[Fixinit]

It has been a while since I gave an update of my current HCB situation. For those of you that don't know I met her from CL almost three years ago and would see her every so often. About six months ago we started seeing each other more frequently leading up to where we are today.

We have been seeing each other on average three times a week. Sometimes we just hang out and talk, other times we have fun. Last week we spent an overnight and it was a turning point I feel for what has been going on. The week prior we had an overnight and it was actually more like love making than just sex. We both felt it and enjoyed it but realized there was a problem. We were both getting too close emotionally and we both realized we need to back off a bit to make what we have work. She is 20 years younger than me and I have a SO so there is no future relationship possibility. I am going to take it for what it currently is and enjoy her hot 22 year old body while it lasts. I will be sad when it is over but I have started the search for someone else to get me moving in another direction. I actually appreciate my SO more going through some of the issues the HCB has. Who would have figured.

Moving forward less emotions and more pleasure. Looking back over the last month or so I pursued her hard and let my emotions take control. It is difficult not to get attached being intimate with someone and seeing them so frequently.

I know what others have said and I chose my own path but I wanted to share what I have experienced. This thread has been an outlet to help me and I want to thank everyone.

Fix

[Spitfire]

Lit, good to see you back posting!

Regarding potential blackmail. I don't have a significant other to worry about but I do have a business. A few years back when I began my foray into the SB / SD world, a SB I met and wasn't interested in on began sending texts along the lines of "it would be bad for your business if people knew this is how you spend your free time" so I gave her some sugar. Big mistake, BIG. She came back a week later wanting more, of course. So I decided I would bite the bullet and suffer any consequences but I wasn't going to pay anymore. She was a single mom engaged in a custody fight with her ex, so I made it clear she would suffer as much as I would with any public disclosure. She disappeared never to be heard from again. So remember, since many are single mothers or college students or have boyfriends / husbands, they can have as much to lose as any of us. Although they may not realize it until it is explained to them. If she persisted, I planned to go to the police. Thankfully that wasn't necessary.

Still, it's always wise to avoid those SBs when you have a gut feeling something like that may occur. It's not worth the stress.

[Varoom]

as far as the entrapment tv show goes, hopefully i'll never run into it. if i had any doubt about a girls age, i think i'd be smart enough to ask for proof. the operative words are "i think," and mr johnson sometimes has other thoughts. still, to entrap you, don't they have to say things like,"you know i'm ****, right?" i do believe i'd be smart enough to handle that one, with or without mr johnson's cooperation.

**** and proving it. i'll just two words: 'lawrence taylor'. i believe he is now a sex offender and serving x yrs of probation over his under age female, even though she stated she was older. it doesn't matter in some states, it does in others, so more research would have to be done in your area to know for sure.

entrapment is a different issue. they may not get a conviction, but they would surely get an arrest. you know which one we would fear more here. once you were arrested, the rest would be a hassle, and certainly even if the chgs were dropped or one were acquitted, the damage is done. but frankly this conversation isn't probably too productive for most of us, other than to be wary of young girls and situations that could be any kind of a sting.

regarding the tv show, they did run a special on the sd thing. more from the sb perspective and how and why these young girls get involved in the trade. also looking at the comparative similarity of sd vs. pay for play outright; implied versus stated maybe. i didn't see the piece but heard several news reports and saw a highlight or two on it, along with some discussion on another part of this board, i think. good to stay clear of the cameras; wow.

lit, so glad to see you back here, if only for a while. you contributions, methods and knowledge have been missed. of course others have picked up some of the slack, but we would all benefit by your return. whether you are active or not with the sb's. i understand the concern for security, and it is that aspect that keeps me in more arms length arrangements. the closeness of the sb gig has it benefits but certainly its limitations.

[Literal2]

wow. makes me think chris hanson, dateline scenario. there is no freaking way i would visit a (supposed) 18 yo's house for this very scenario. risk too great.

damn, you're right, i hadn't even thought of that.

now that my foggy brain clears though i remember another reason i took a break from the sd / sb game. i got several emails on sd4me asking if i'd be part of a "well-compensated" reality show about sds and sbs. one of my sbs got the same thing. scared me silly, thinking about running into a film crew on one of my dates. i wonder what happened with that.

as far as the entrapment tv show goes, hopefully i'll never run into it. if i had any doubt about a girls age, i think i'd be smart enough to ask for proof. the operative words are "i think," and mr johnson sometimes has other thoughts. still, to entrap you, don't they have to say things like,"you know i'm ****, right?" i do believe i'd be smart enough to handle that one, with or without mr johnson's cooperation.

it's a rough world out there. a poor old monger just tries to get himself a little bit of young pussy and all these hypocrites gang up on him.

[CantWinLosin]

Lit, I'll let you know.

Personally, I haven't seen signs of black girls not liking older white guys, at least not on SA or SB4Me. Every one of the could-actually-meet ladies (I discount the ones from far away) that have winked or written me first has been black, and all but one was less than 25. Of course, my unscientific analysis of the SB populations on SA and SD4Me indicates that there are at least three young black women for every one female of any other race or age, so I shouldn't be surprised about that. But it's certainly a telling data point relative to the current economic problems we all face. I also find it interesting that a high percentage of those young black ladies do not post photos. Leads me to believe that a lot of those girls are just grasping at any way to bring in some money without giving any real thought to what they're doing.

The interesting part of this discussion to me is all the concerns about security. As an unattached male in his mid 50's, I don't have several of the worries some of you other guys do, but I can appreciate the concerns. I'm thankful that I don't have to secure my phone and computer from the prying eyes of a warden!

[Varoom]

Wow. Makes me think Chris Hanson, Dateline scenario. There is NO freaking way I would visit a (supposed) 18 yo's house for this very scenario. Risk too great.

She was 18 (supposedly). I contacted her and we tried to work out a time. I couldn't do days at that point and she couldn't do the evening and she wouldn't travel from her home. She said it was too dangerous. Since I couldn't make the date anyway I didn't have to think through whether or not I would go to her home. At the time I was seeking a back-up for a no-show sb date. I think if I had obtained access I would have fucked her willingly (assuming she was over 18).

[Literal2]

Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.

I'll be interested to hear how this goes. The girl sounds very attractive.

I am attracted to many pretty AA women these days, at least the celebrities, but I have never penetrated or even dfk'd one. Never put a finger in an AA girl or sucked her nipples. I've thought about it though.

Most recently, there was a very pretty looking high school girl (supposedly) advertising on Richmond BP. This was about last March. She was 18 (supposedly). I contacted her and we tried to work out a time. I couldn't do days at that point and she couldn't do the evening and she wouldn't travel from her home. She said it was too dangerous. Since I couldn't make the date anyway I didn't have to think through whether or not I would go to her home. At the time I was seeking a back-up for a no-show sb date. I think if I had obtained access I would have fucked her willingly (assuming she was over 18).

But with AA girls I worry about a couple things. Most AA women seem to me to dislike older white guys. Why is that? I'm not sure, maybe they think we don't like them. Then there is the whole hair thing I don't understand. You aren't supposed to touch their hair. When you are fucking them? What's with that?

CWL, maybe you can advise if your date goes through.

[Literal2]

*She is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but not in the way the artist / model was. More like a real, natural beauty, with the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips.

*I'm fucked, I believe, in more ways than one. I think I really might want to see this through, but have pangs of guilt about my ATF, who in one of the most ironic of coincidences texted me this morning to say that she's back in town from visiting her dad and wants to get together next week at our new favorite inn / restaurant for some quality alone time*My question to you all is this: is it really cheating if I didn't seek it out? Who would be so rude as to look a gift baby in the mouth, so to speak?

Scott, I have read all your excellent posts and remember, I think, your important points. I can't be sure these days as my short term memory is lousy. Anyway, as I recall you have a reporting relationship with a warden and you have consumed a great many tasty babies already. Always in a thoughtful way I might add. Now, as I understand it, you have become somewhat or at least sometimes somewhat besotted with your HYB (or HYC) and for a time have practiced episodic monogamy, or at least you have at least occasionally refrained from fucking anyone other than your atf sb hyb or hyc (save for the warden herself, presumably). Now you pose the ethical dilemma to the Board: is it moral, under these circumstances, to jump on and make a deposit in "a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful *real*natural beauty" with "the most open, innocent face and gorgeous lips"?

In short, my answer is yes. This will not be the answer of Ariana Huffington or, for that matter, nearly any American female over the age of 25. However, the code of the sd is to seek happiness without doing harm and as long as you don't rip the new baby off in some way that is not evident to me or inseminate her or harm her physically and she is of legal age, I don't see a violation of the code. Others may disagree.

However, multifucking, as previously noted, carries security risks. With multiple multifucked repeating sbs at hand, Golf's geometric risk progressions tend towards the infinite and may veer out of control.

So be careful, senior monger. If you go forth to ejaculate in this new baby it is in keeping with the best sd principles but is a brave act in which you put yourself at risk. Let us know how it goes.

[Literal2]

Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.

Good wishes to you also, Golf. I've enjoyed getting caught up on your posts.

One reason I like this thread is because I could talk with similar minded mongers about what I was doing. There was nobody else I could safely talk to about it.

Some of you sb mongers clearly have more experience than I do. I consumed 12 tasty little babies in a five month period last year, but I've only made semen deposits in 83 women lifetime and am currently well into my seventh decade. It was a boost to set personal best in the volume / rate of new girls fucked at such a late date in the race so to speak. I think about the 12 a lot but details tend to blur as time passes. I am aware some of you are far more successful than I in spreading your seed around.

Security is always a big deal for me. I experience an attack of paranoia at some point in every session with an sb. If I'm re-penetrating, I have to guard against a false sense of security that there is less of a risk because I've been with her before. The main source of risk was always that the sbs I want to fuck are the ones looking for a continuing relationship, but a continuing relationship is not what I want. I fucked about half of the 12 more than once, and when I did I was constantly trying to re-set their expectations.

The repeaters:

Sb2. A pudgy 30 year old healthcare provider wanted something reliable and long term; when she emailed me I wasn't reliable enough in the sugar department, I was scared it was a blackmail threat, but she just moved on. Low security risk now. She wants somebody other than me.

Sb4. A 27 year old brunette receptionist HYB with a kid; she has a perfect ass and suburban housewife consumption habits. She's my atf sb but she sends me requests for sugar every few weeks, I get paranoid every time, but if I go back to any of the 12 again it will be her. I consider her a semi-pro. Have I sent her more sugar? Yes, once. High security risk. She doesn't know who I am but has seen my license plate. Worse, I want to see her again.

Sb9. A 27 year old file clerk / part time college student party girl, voluptuous and compulsive, makes no demands but is erratic in every aspect of her life. I haven't heard from her for a while and I expect she has moved on. Medium security risk. She expects to rotate men but she is clever and tough enough to make a threat.

Sb12. A 38 year old divorced suburban housewife with a kid, desperate; long negotiations over the GPS; great sex. One month later she emailed me she was homeless, with the kid, and needed help. I referred her to the child welfare authorities. She cursed me out and disappeared. Low security risk. She has no idea who I am or where I live. She's only seen me twice, on days 1 and 4 in an out of town hotel during a 4-day multifucking period.

Sb16. 26 year old office worker, HYB (B is for butt in this case, she is flat) got drunk in the hotel bar, talked provocatively about a threesome with her friend. When I saw her the second time, she was sober but the sex was still too perfunctory. She emailed me several times demanding another date but I ignored her; I'm still a little worried about this one since she saw my license plate on the second date. Plus I think she may have gotten my name from the hotel bar man (I paid cash but she could have told him my room number and he could have looked it up.) High security risk.

Sb18. My 23 year old HYB, recent college grad with a dull job, another atf. I saw her many times. She was obviously different from the start. I asked her if she knew what she was getting into before I opened up her pussy, I told her I was attached and temporary and couldn't support her. She said thats just what she wanted until her future life clarified. We never talked sugar. She always came to the hotel and stayed as long as I liked. Conversation would drag (too many "awesome"s) , our tastes were totally different (she likes hip hop, I prefer opera, as fucking music). She was very submissive and passionate in bed but regulated our relationship well. I told her in July it would be our last time, at least for several months. She said,"Oh. Well let me hear from you sometime." Every other sb has followed up after I last saw her. Not this one. When I finally emailed her after several months, there was no reply. A rare, perfect, non-threatening relationship for me, but dissatisfying nonetheless. I couldn't stand to be with her for more than a few hours. Low security risk.

[Golfcart]

I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.

I'm happy to know Lit wasn't caught by the warden. That was my concern. At least he is staying tuned.

Yes, security is difficult to maintain, certainly when seeing the same girl multiple times. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time presents two or three times the risk of the first, and keeps going up.

[Dirty Dingus]

I just completed my first months membership on SA, and found it to be much less scam than SD4Me. I made a couple good connections and have a few others that I may meet with when the time arises. At the end of my pay period, there were no problems, the VIP part of the membership stopped, and unlike SD4Me, there was no effort of the part of the SA site to continue charging my card. SD4Me is a bit more flashy website with the option to chat live with the SB's, but that is about the only advantage that I saw over the SA site. I also noticed that on both websites, it seems that when you aren't a paying member you get more unsolicited messages from SB's (but more so on SD4Me). I assume this is to try to convince you to become a paying member so that you can read the messages. Once you become a paying member, then most of those SB's never respond back to you! LOL Not sure you if would call that "marketing" or "scam". Also, I found more SB's that seemed to be using fake pics on SD4Me. I had been a member of SD4Me several times over the last couple years and made a few good connections. I learned early that it was hell cancelling your membership with a credit card. If / when I join a SD site again, it will most definitely be SA.

[CantWinLosin]

So she if she stays she is also "African American"?

Medium-light skinned black with very smooth and even complexion everywhere, lovely golden-brown eyes, and medium but very smooth and sweet lips. Frankly, I normally avoid black SBs, as many are too ghetto and most have too much drama. But this girl has the sensibilities of her profession and her upbringing; she's educated, intelligent and classy without the whole "my shit don't stink" attitude a lot of wannabe-classy women bring to the table.

[Literal2]

I just dropped by for the first time in several months to see how you guys are doing. I'm blown away. You've made this into a great forum. I've skimmed the posts since last August and have several enjoyable rtff hours ahead.

As for my activity level, I have taken a break. I haven't fucked an sb since July.

I spent more than a month trying to cancel my subscription to sd4me and finally cancelled the goddam card number. I note there are several good ideas on how to avoid this problem in the posts of the last several months.

I may or may not get back in the game, I haven't decided yet. The need to maintain security can be exhausting. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for the girls. Sometimes my dick gets sore or wimps out. If I do get back in I may try SA.

I really like how you've fixed up the place and I'm going to have fun lurking around for a while.

May the sbs all spread their legs for you and may all your vaginas be moist in the New Year.