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  1. #5062

    Not true

    Quote Originally Posted by Freckle Freak  [View Original Post]
    You are a freckle licker voyeur. You only like me because you like watching someone else lick freckles! YMMV.

    FF.
    I only watch because I'm either out of money and / or you quit buying lap dances for me.

  2. #5061
    Quote Originally Posted by Freckle Freak  [View Original Post]
    Variety. Life is full of variety. Everyones mileage may vary depending on who they are and who they meet. BF you make a great point below.

    Providers have lives and they live it the way they want, good or bad or ugly or a combination. It's a choice but sometimes desperation makes them choose. Sometimes the circumstances are sad sometimes they are erotic. What difference does it make, it happens and thats the way it is. Luchi trys to save them. BF Deal wants the fantasy without any connection except for the time he has paid for. Chelli4me doesn't believe they can be friends without money involved...
    Very well said FF I agree with you 1000%,

    Happy New Year

  3. #5060
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1822

    I find it hard to believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Freckle Freak  [View Original Post]
    Variety. Life is full of variety. Everyones mileage may vary depending on who they are and who they meet. BF you make a great point below.

    Providers have lives and they live it the way they want, good or bad or ugly or a combination. It's a choice but sometimes desperation makes them choose. Sometimes the circumstances are sad sometimes they are erotic. What difference does it make, it happens and thats the way it is. Luchi trys to save them. BF Deal wants the fantasy without any connection except for the time he has paid for. Chelli4me doesn't believe they can be friends without money involved. All of them are right because that is what they believe. Again their mileage varies, nothing more and definately nothing wrong. It's life.

    I guess I will have to resolve myself to a lot of masterbation and psychoanalysis. Maybe I am the Don Quixiote of self service in this hobby. I have relationships with providers, past and current. I go to dinner, have drinks, talk about personal issues (both sides) and genuinely care. Not to all of them, to the ones I feel are actually wonderful human beings and I have developed a connection with. To many of you this is wrong. I don't do it for the free sex. It's been offered, but I have turned it down because of the feelings that are sometimes involved. It would be a sad world if people didn't connect because others saw it as wrong. We develop friendships in any business, hell it's mandatory in most businesses. Show me a good salesmen and tell me his best clients are not truely his friends. It's sad that some feel seeing a provider is like going to the dentist who uses laughing gas. Feels great during the filling and the nitrous oxide is flowing, but once it wears off and you have to pay the bill, reality sets in and it's time to get the hell out of dodge.

    We all have ways in which our mileage varies. I like freckles. I like to watch. I think watching a woman in pleasure is hot, even if I am not the one providing the pleasure. I think being a swinger at times would be fun. I can distinguish sex from love and even if I don't love them, still love the sex. Sorry that this may bother many of you, but I think golden showers are strange. I once watched a guy pay $500 to a stripper to crap in a cup so he could eat it, and he did. To me that is strange. Not necessarily wrong, it just doesn't do it for me. That guy's mileage varies.

    So I will, when possible, develop a relationship with a provider. Maybe I will live with one, marry one, die in the arms of one. Maybe I will love them or they will love me. We are hobbyists and they are providers, right? Wrong! They are people with feelings, cares, concerns, bad habits, sexuality, sadness and all the other things we are. We pay them so what. I pay my dentist for a service and never get a laugh, only bad gas.

    FF.

    PS. Some freckled women like me. Believe it or not.
    But I know it to be true, and even more strange is that there are a number of them. You know I kid because I love. That was a really good post, I sometimes forget you are more than just a trick.

    P. S. I am really pissed at you, you told me that was a cup of strippers chocolate.

  4. #5059

    The truth comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Nutts  [View Original Post]
    I know there will be several licked female freckles instore for the evening ahead. TN
    You are a freckle licker voyeur. You only like me because you like watching someone else lick freckles! YMMV.

    FF.

    PS. The Don Quixiote of freckled ladies.

  5. #5058

    Life is YMMV

    Variety. Life is full of variety. Everyones mileage may vary depending on who they are and who they meet. BF you make a great point below.

    Quote Originally Posted by BFDeal  [View Original Post]
    These fine women have lives and while they cherish the consistency of a good regular, they have mouths to feed and businesses to run. Top providers have to market themselves, answer phone calls / texts, balance different budgets (advertising, phone bills, hotel rooms, clothing, etc.) to make their business work, and then find time to spend with family / loved ones. They don't have it easy. BFDeal
    Providers have lives and they live it the way they want, good or bad or ugly or a combination. It's a choice but sometimes desperation makes them choose. Sometimes the circumstances are sad sometimes they are erotic. What difference does it make, it happens and thats the way it is. Luchi trys to save them. BF Deal wants the fantasy without any connection except for the time he has paid for. Chelli4me doesn't believe they can be friends without money involved. All of them are right because that is what they believe. Again their mileage varies, nothing more and definately nothing wrong. It's life.

    Quote Originally Posted by BFDeal  [View Original Post]
    But if you think anything can develop from a "friendship" or "drinks" with a provider, and you "care" deeply for them, then you should take some of your hard-earned dough that you spend on this hobby and get some professional help.

    So remember the following phrase: If you can't separate, masterbate.
    I guess I will have to resolve myself to a lot of masterbation and psychoanalysis. Maybe I am the Don Quixiote of self service in this hobby. I have relationships with providers, past and current. I go to dinner, have drinks, talk about personal issues (both sides) and genuinely care. Not to all of them, to the ones I feel are actually wonderful human beings and I have developed a connection with. To many of you this is wrong. I don't do it for the free sex. It's been offered, but I have turned it down because of the feelings that are sometimes involved. It would be a sad world if people didn't connect because others saw it as wrong. We develop friendships in any business, hell it's mandatory in most businesses. Show me a good salesmen and tell me his best clients are not truely his friends. It's sad that some feel seeing a provider is like going to the dentist who uses laughing gas. Feels great during the filling and the nitrous oxide is flowing, but once it wears off and you have to pay the bill, reality sets in and it's time to get the hell out of dodge.

    We all have ways in which our mileage varies. I like freckles. I like to watch. I think watching a woman in pleasure is hot, even if I am not the one providing the pleasure. I think being a swinger at times would be fun. I can distinguish sex from love and even if I don't love them, still love the sex. Sorry that this may bother many of you, but I think golden showers are strange. I once watched a guy pay $500 to a stripper to crap in a cup so he could eat it, and he did. To me that is strange. Not necessarily wrong, it just doesn't do it for me. That guy's mileage varies.

    So I will, when possible, develop a relationship with a provider. Maybe I will live with one, marry one, die in the arms of one. Maybe I will love them or they will love me. We are hobbyists and they are providers, right? Wrong! They are people with feelings, cares, concerns, bad habits, sexuality, sadness and all the other things we are. We pay them so what. I pay my dentist for a service and never get a laugh, only bad gas.

    FF.

    PS. Some freckled women like me. Believe it or not.

  6. #5057
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1822

    I love you man

    Quote Originally Posted by Two Nutts  [View Original Post]
    I get one before and after my events with certain providers. Ms Elli, and Cate are two very fine huggers, and I believe they are genuine. The AMP girls always hug me when I leave, but those are more of the mother and law type hug. Which I always check to make sure that ol battle axe's hands are void of sharp objects before she wraps them around my back. I give FF and ILAPP a hug when I see them and bid them farewell for another 3-6 months. Not because we plan on spooning or having candlelite dinners folowed by handheld walks in the moonlite, but because its a friendship that is genuine, plus I know there will be several licked female freckles instore for the evening ahead, and many lap dances. BTW I'll be in Indy the 19th thru 22nd guy's. Save up your dollar bills.

    TN
    A little brohug don't make us queer now does it? I will be more than ready for it, duck season will be over and time some different kind of fowl.

  7. #5056
    Honestl I do understand what BB is saying. Is just that I visit a restarant more when I order coffee and pay for coffee but in some location they keep on refiling your cup and in some other you almost have to ask for a 2nd. When a provider start getting to close to you is time to stop visiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMack  [View Original Post]
    I can see where BB is coming from and I do think in this economy with so many ladies in this many are giving you a goodbye kiss or hug to get return business. BB is I think just saying don't mistake that hug and kiss for closeness on her part. Is usually the lady trying to say in a nice way enjoyed our time and hope you come back again. If it is more about GF GFE then by all means be careful LOL Two good looks at the total situation.

  8. #5055

    Got bitched at about a review

    First time for everything,

    Called for a girl I normally see off BP and her phone handler to me to review her soon and be nice to her, because the last time I put a review on here for one of her other girls she answers the phone for, I wasnt very nice and was mean according to her.

    Yes, I was a little kurt, but I am getting sick and tired of all the fake pics and the shitty service out there. I am very nice to every lady I see, I am never rude but if you sell a bill of goods, don't expect everyone to be happy. Now, I am not going to continue to bash her, just give my review and move on. Several other SM's on this board have been very helpful to me and I will not give a good review to a chick that is not deserving of it. You put porn model images on your posts and look like her 50 year old grandmother, I am going to let the other fellas know. ONE TIME and move on.

  9. #5054
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1395

    Dave a good response by you to BB's post and

    I can see where BB is coming from and I do think in this economy with so many ladies in this many are giving you a goodbye kiss or hug to get return business. BB is I think just saying don't mistake that hug and kiss for closeness on her part. Is usually the lady trying to say in a nice way enjoyed our time and hope you come back again. If it is more about GF GFE then by all means be careful LOL Two good looks at the total situation.

  10. #5053

    Hell I like a hug

    I get one before and after my events with certain providers. Ms Elli, and Cate are two very fine huggers, and I believe they are genuine. The AMP girls always hug me when I leave, but those are more of the mother and law type hug. Which I always check to make sure that ol battle axe's hands are void of sharp objects before she wraps them around my back. I give FF and ILAPP a hug when I see them and bid them farewell for another 3-6 months. Not because we plan on spooning or having candlelite dinners folowed by handheld walks in the moonlite, but because its a friendship that is genuine, plus I know there will be several licked female freckles instore for the evening ahead, and many lap dances. BTW I'll be in Indy the 19th thru 22nd guy's. Save up your dollar bills.

    TN

  11. #5052
    I'm sorry but I think a nice hug when your leaving and or a kiss don't mean that we are a special couple. I thinks is part of the GFE that you get as a hobbies. I know is business for them as it is for me but you go to a store were customer service is good. If service is good your returne and give them yo business. Same thing with providers if they make you feel special during the time you spend with them hou return. Is just a huge not a marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by BFDeal  [View Original Post]
    Fellow hobbyists, colleagues, constituents,

    After our hour-long session last week, I was walking out of a provider's incall location, and she started to hug me. I asked "What the hell are you doing"? And she said "Thanks," and "hope to see you next week." I replied "No, that's not what I'm talking about. I don't hug after we're done. A simple handshake is fine." She knows what I'm referring to if she's reading this (and yes some of them do read these posts). I hope she wasn't offended as I walked out the door after shaking her hand and answering my cell phone. And that's when the idea popped into my head. I want to post a PSA to others who've either just joined the hobby or have been in the hobby a long time, reminding them that this is a business, nothing more, nothing less. So this post is for fellow hobbyists.

    I'm not writing this to offend anyone, and I'm not mentioning names or other Web sites.

    Some of you don't need a reminder (I in fact needed to remind myself of this a few months ago). But I've recently read on other Web sites where a few of you are "infatuated" with a provider or two, and even "care" for them. The quoted words aren't mine. Heck, the other day I read on a Louisville board on this site about a guy seeking advice on asking a provider out for a drink. Geez, that's swell. What some of you fail to realize is that you, as hobbyists, should have the same approach as the provider, no matter how hot she is and no matter how hot the GFE. The approach should be ALL business. What I mean is grow some fucking bawls. I was married for almost 10 years (I have a best-selling biography about my ex; it's called "See You In Tea") and I've been a part of the hobby for about 14 years since I divorced her dumb, lazy ass. I consider "hooking up" with a hottie a special type of "pamper" session for myself, like when a chick gets a couple hours at a spa or salon, like a place to unwind with a couple glasses of wine followed by a massage or whatever the fuck they do there. But I still take a business approach to this hobby. Once you approach this as a business, like ALL providers do, then this hobby will be a blast. If anyone of you consider "hooking up" as anything more than that, then you have a problem. These fine women have lives and while they cherish the consistency of a good regular, they have mouths to feed and businesses to run. Top providers have to market themselves, answer phone calls / texts, balance different budgets (advertising, phone bills, hotel rooms, clothing, etc.) to make their business work, and then find time to spend with family / loved ones. They don't have it easy.

    Sure, I've gotten on here and written "woman that I love" and "girl of my dreams," and blah, blah, blah. That's all bullshit, nothing more. When providers text you with similar phrases, it's again just that: bullshit. They're thinking business and so should you.

    When you've been doing this for as long as I have, you should know how to separate fantasy and reality. I've been single since the mid-1990s. After that horrible decade in my life when I had to wear a ball and chain (remember to check out my book). Being single has allowed me to text back-and-forth to a couple providers when I'm out and about. Like out at a titty bar or at BW3s. It allows them to answer my texts whenever they want with no haggling wife to ask me "Who the fuck is texting you at 2 in the morning?" So just remember, we have some quality providers in central Indiana, and learning how to "separate" is essential. Once you've mastered the business approach, even with a regular, the hobby will be most enjoyable. But if you think anything can develop from a "friendship" or "drinks" with a provider, and you "care" deeply for them, then you should take some of your hard-earned dough that you spend on this hobby and get some professional help. And I'm not saying it's not cool to hug a provider as you're walking out. It's just part of my personal business approach.

    So remember the following phrase: If you can't separate, masterbate.

    Oh, and to the provider I talked about in my opening sentence, if you're reading this, you're fired. Nothing personal.

    This has been a public service announcement for fellow hobbyists.

    Trying to keep it real,

    BFDeal

  12. #5051

    The argument

    Quote Originally Posted by BFDeal  [View Original Post]
    So remember the following phrase: If you can't separate, masterbate.
    Two-sided sword. There may be a lot of guys who confuse providing with personal attraction; I imagine any provider who's seen more than two clients can confirm that. And what's the worst that happens to such fellows? A provider uses the attitude to get him to see her more often? He buys her diamonds? Self-inflicted, and exchanged in his mind for something of equal or greater value. So maybe he regrets it later. So what?

    There's also the guy who can't separate his RL attitude about women, or sex, or money, from providing. Maybe at most he misses out on having a closer personal relationship with someone, which he doesn't care to have anyway, and which might, or might not, have led to a special chemistry, or special considerations. Again, no big deal. The only reason I'd argue the point is when you or Chelli act as though your own opinions are universal verities.

    The reason we keep having this argument isn't guys posting "Abby is worth 10K, and anyone who doesn't agree she farts eau de cologne is probably gay". Nobody says that. It's the regular tub-thumping about all providers being thieves because they won't see some mope for whatever he'd like to spend. It's the bi-monthly lectures on the free market as told by guys who have no idea what they're talking about. And it's the gratuitous bashing of a provider by guys who've never seen her, simply because they don't like her rates and imagine themselves the vanguard of some boycott movement that'll take her arrogant ass down a peg or two. That's not just fucking delusional; it's also a detriment to the hobby, since it gives providers-who bear the largest part of the LE risk, almost all of the physical risk, and 100% of the financial risk-even more reason to be suspicious of hobbyists. And gives any newbie readers the wrong impression about behavior.

    I'm just dumbfounded, really, that on a board dedicated to swapping information about the hobby, so many hobbyists seem to imagine the biz would be improved if only we could get the providers out of it. There's no problem with someone taking a professional attitude, if that's right for him; there's no problem with someone thinking that no provider is worth $$ *to him* If someone thinks every provider is a money-hungry harpy who can't hold a real job, well, we've got a long history of giving people the freedom to believe whatever they wish, regardless of the ton of evidence allied against them. But going out of your way to bash a provider you've never seen is just using this board as a psychiatric Free Clinic, and it's not good for anyone else in the hobby.

  13. #5050

    You just got my vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Obama  [View Original Post]
    That happened to me once too! A well known provider hugged me afterwards and I said,"What do you think you're doing?". And she gave me my wallet back.
    Spit beer threw my nose when I read this.

  14. #5049

    Lafao

    Quote Originally Posted by Obama  [View Original Post]
    That happened to me once too! A well known provider hugged me afterwards and I said,"What do you think you're doing?". And she gave me my wallet back.
    Thats a good one Mr. President.

    On a serious note, I was in a AMP in Louisville Friday, a regular place I like to visit often. While on my stomach the lady asked me if I wanted to do somthing with her on Christmas. I asked what she would like to do, she said dosn't matter its up to me surprise her. I thought this was humorous for awhile then I thought it sad that she would have to ask. We should be thankful of the family and friends that we have to spend holidays with because there are others that are not as fortunate.

    Happy holidays to all.

    TN

  15. #5048

    Hmmmm

    [QUOTE=B Beall; 1344711 Second, you didn't say "not everyone's doing it", which is a given; you said it "wasn't normal", and the first piece of evidence you offered for that was that it was illegal. For doing something as old and as natural as any human behavior you can name.

    You said it "wasn't normal" so you could say, again, that anyone who has a nice word to say about providers is delusional. But it swims against the tide of common sense, in an ocean of people who do believe providers can be honest, caring, and true friends. Just remain secure in your knowledge that you're sharper than the rest of us, and cut out the unlicensed psychoanalysis.[/QUOTE]

    Certainly sexual behavior is normal. The not normal part I was referring to, and that anyone with any amount of common sense would realize, is that paying for sex is abnormal. Yes there are those that would say youpay for sex even with your wife / girlfreind by paying household bills, buying gifts, mowing the lawn putting up with in-laws yadda yadda yadda. Sure it can be looked at that way but when you get married you know what you're in for so if you don't want that don't get married.

    I've never said anyone that has a nice word about providers is delusional. I've had plenty of nice words for many of the gals I've seen over the years. I've known some real sweethearts. Some have even said to me "it doesn't always have to be about sex, we can get together for dinner or a movie if you want." So, I tried that. Not once was such an offer accepted. The reason is obvious. They weren't getting paid for it. I won't pay a gal to go to dinner with me. That is not friendship. Those of you that think you have real friendships with a provider, see how long she remains your friend if you never give her another dime.

    And no, I'm not sharper than anyone. In fact I consider myself duller than a butter knife. I can't even always get the quote thing to work right! I'm not psychoanalying anyone, just rendering opinions. How anyone chooses to interpret them is beyond my control.

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