"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Richmond Fotog]

Why do all of that? It's your money. You can dispute a charge on a pre-paid card. You can also block any future charges from a company trying recurring charges.

Opening and closing accounts doesn't resolve anything. It can cause you problems. A bank can decline on issuing you a new account if you have a history of that or you have too many accounts. GreenDot and Bancorp are well-known for that. I've met a few girls who received refund checks with a letter stating they would not issue a new account. When girls get busted and have these cards, LE will notify the bank to freeze their account and they won't issue a new card.

The best pre-card I have ever had was issued directly from Visa itself. According to Visa, no Visa merchant that accepts Visa debit cards can decline on accepting a card issued directly by them unless it's for the obvious. Insufficient funds, fraudulent use, etc. They also have rules about merchants requiring to show a photo I'd. Per Visa, you don't have to show an I'd to use one of their cards if it has a pin-number. If a merchant declines for these reasons Visa will take a complaint and quickly fix that problem. There's a list of their approved banks on their site.

http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/p...ard-online.jsp

You also have to read about the issuing bank and where their cards are accepted. It had little to do with the type of card, but with the bank that issued the card. If the bank the merchant uses doesn't accept cards or payments from the bank the card is issued from then they can decline on accepting the card. Just because it has Visa or MasterCard on it means little. Where it was issued it what they take into account when accepting payments.

The card also has to be properly activated and registered per The Patriot Act:

The USA PATRIOT Act is a Federal law that requires all financial institutions to obtain, verify, and record information that identifies each person who opens an account. You will be asked to provide your name, address, date of birth, and other information that will allow us to identify you. You may also be asked to provide documentation as proof of identification. Card issuance is contingent upon successfully passing this mandatory identification confirmation.

As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.

The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.

[Member #5570]

I've been using Google Voice to play. But be careful of your SO, so try to keep the phone out of sight.

I agree with Scot, these young chics love to texts. I have had some success with CL. Banged a 23 and 25 yr.

These younger ones are incredibly tight and wet. As soon as the panties dropped, they're already wet.

[CantWinLosin]

As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.

The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.

[Spitfire]

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/a...p/t-34387.html

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

I second Spit's experience. At one time I had paid, all-access memberships on three SB sites, Seekingarrangements, SD4me, and *************. SA only bills by the month, so that, for me, was the no-brainer. When your membership runs out, you're cut off from the babies. Simple as that. I forget what I had to do to cancel AM, but it must not have been much. In my opinion, the entire site was a shill to get you to go to a paying webcam site. SD4me was another matter altogether. They kept billing my card, which was, by the way, an on-line only statement account that my SO is not aware of, my hobby card if you will, and I finally had to contact customer service at the sponsoring bank to cancel that card and get a new one. It was a little embarrassing having to explain to the service rep, a woman (of course) , what the situation was and why I wanted to cancel. In the end, it all worked out, but as Spit said, it took some doing.

As I have previously posted, for my area, Chicago, SA is far and away the best pool of babies. New ones come on every day, not all of them my taste, but still, how great is that?

In terms of other helpful hints for the newbies, I always pay cash where ever I can, don't use my real name ever, and use a dedicated burner phone that I keep mostly off in a secure location unless I am expecting a visit or a call. The one problem I have encountered with this approach is that most babies like to text. Apparently email is too low tech for the 20-somethings. Since my phone is fairly basic, a message such as "I'd love to see you on Tuesday for some totally hot f*cking" takes me approximately 20 minutes to execute. Does anyone have a suggestion?

I also follow Nando's approach to the hotel room. The less of a trail there is, the better. It also subtly shifts the dynamic a bit; your baby is no longer just passive, but now an active participant in the session you are planning, together.

As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights. One of the recent posts I read dissed on a poor SD simply for having the sugar in small denominations. She dumped the poor shmo for that reason alone. For me, point taken, and I now only proffer Benjamins, not Jacksons. They are capricious beings, these babies.

Lastly, I would say, once you have a backlog of contacts, some of which may not have panned out on the initial go-around, don't presume that hey are dead leads. I have let my SA subscription lapse for a couple of months, and am going back through my email contacts and reconnecting, and have fucked three babies so far that I had not followed through with the first time for one reason or another. No excuses given, no explanation asked. Just a short "it's been a long time, are you still interested" seems to be enough to get the dialogue started. But above all, be respectful. These are not pros, (although there are those, but they're easy to weed out) , so you must treat them accordingly. Do not, under any circumstances, send them a picture of your unit, awake or asleep. This is the single most common deal-breaker I have heard from my babies. This is a great thread, a great approach to the hobby, and for me has been a great experience. I am ten pounds lighter than I was when I started, I work out more, am more productive at my job, and have a far more positive outlook on life than before, all due, I am convinced, to my new hobby of fucking hot young women. Who would have guessed?

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[Golfcart]

(Edit Delete) I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. (Edit Delete)

Nando, she's a college girl. The monogamous talk will irritate her, scare her and chase her away.

(Edit Delete) I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. (Edit Delete)

Trust always bites us in the ass, on that final dalliance that only she knows is the final one, when we trust her then, too.

I don't want to see Nando hurt.

[Spitfire]

Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.

If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.

[Spitfire]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.

I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg.

I agree with this. It's always a good thing to explore some of the amenities of the hotel with her too. Spa, Sauna, Pool, Room Service, etc. Give her a good experience as well as good sex. The little things, such as opening a door for her, etcetera really do go a long way.

[Member #5570]

Thanks guys. I guess I will sign up for a month and see what happens. If it's something worth to renew my monthly membership.

[Hernando]

MagicRat and Big Tigger are on the same trail that I currently am. I have converted from a MF (multi fucker) to a SO. I have a SB I have been seeing for a long time.mostly exclusively. She is eating up all my play money gladly I must say. Even though I love variety when you find something special it makes sense to stick with it.

What's there not to like? I have a bright and beautiful college girl who is uber loving and not demanding who prefers to spend all night with me for the $ of a 1 hour escort date.I think she is monogamous with me but I don't ask other than letting her know that she is my one and only and I would like to be hers. Probably what I don't know won't hurt me. Most of the other girls I have spent time with are seriously flawed and more often than not down on their luck and not classy gals. So I am not trolling right now. If our relationship falls apart then I will be back to SD4Me, etc with much higher expectations than before. I have experienced the Mecca and don't want to go back.

Hotels : I have asked her to take care of the hotel from what I give her, so I don't have a paper trail to worry about. She opts to get $ 50 / nite chains in the area we play and I am totally OK with that. I suggest giving the responsibility to your baby after the initial dallience and you are sure that she wants to continue the relationship. Then the burden is off you. I totally trust this cutie contrary to my previous warning since we have a many month track record together. But still, she has enough Money / credit to front the hotel and isn't dead broke and creditless like the other Nando I ' s.

[Magic Rat]

You definitely need to get the level of membership where you can exchange messages with the SBs. What's the point otherwise? I'm a long time monger with escorts and strippers mostly and this SB deal is the best thing I've ever done hands down. I've had 4 "regulars" over the past couple of years, and only one turned out bad. I'm on the fourth one now and don't see anyone else but her. Not sure how long it will last but it's been far and away the best so far. All sbs have been multiple hours to overnights for the price of an escort for one hour. Some only want the one hour or wham bam deal, but that's not what I'm after.

As far as nice hotels go, remember Priceline is your friend. A site I've used very successfully along with Priceline is http://www.biddingtraveler.com/ You give a range of prices and it keeps bidding for you without having to wait the 24 hours if your bid is rejected. It also tells you bids that have been accepted and rejected. It's helped me out a lot in my travels.

[BigTigger]

Really, how much does it cost us when we waste our time with fakes, ripoffs and the like. I've wasted much more money in different ways without any chance of good pudding! I've wasted more money on bad pudding too!

If you think that you will ask yourself afterwards if you would have paid the extra money to have a better chance of getting the choice you want, then it's worth it.

Not to mention, you don't want to be seen as cheap / broke. If you can't pay for the extra upgrade, she may think you can't really take care of her.

for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.

[Golfcart]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. (Edit Delete)

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg. (Edit Delete)

Yes.

We should take her to a nice hotel so she does not feel cheap, so she does not feel like we are treating her as being cheap. We think. Women feel. We also need to look like we have the money we are spending. The hotel plays a part in that. We don't want her wondering if her gift will be coming from a jar of quarters or coming at all by taking her to a cheap hotel. She will notice if we leave a tip in the room for housekeeping. If we take her to dinner she will notice the tip we add to the bill. She will notice how we interact with the wait staff. There is a good chance she has waited tables at some point in the past. No looking at other women. No display of affection in public. The whole idea is for her to feel secure with us or we won't be getting in her pants.

She may be a SB. We may be a SD. But at the core we are still in high school. We are re-doing high school.

[Member #5570]

1. Not counting hotel $-$$$

2. Most are amateurs (but keep your spidey sense working just in case)

3. Be engaging, funny, fully paid member, give examples of how you would spoil her, make sure to use the terms "no drama" and "break from reality", in your write up and put thought into what you say and how, let them see without you saying it, that you are smart, articulate and successful.

Thanks Big. I am currently on page 22. Looks like I got another 20+ pages to cover. Did pick up the "slipping the sugar" thing in the purse and not to discuss sugar in advance. If I knew this, I wouldn't have blew up my opportunity with a hot 20yr chic that responded to my CL ad. I made the mistake of discussing sugar with her, and she took offend and apologized and said adios. .

Ok. I opened an account with SD4M yesterday. Still working on my profile (with fake pic of course. LOL)

I entered my zip code and there were over 500 listings within a 25mi radius. What am I going to do? Send out 500+ emails?

edit: for SD4ME.com do you pay for Silver/Gold monthly membership? Do you also pay for Total Access? That's a hefty $60/month if you get both.

[BigTigger]

I've found that in keeping with the woman not feeling like she's prostituting herself, not to mention making her feel special; is to have a very nice room at a nice hotel. Each time, this has worked wonders. It's amazing how comfortable they get when they show up at a 4 to 5 * hotel. The clothes just tend to fall off and the attitude is great. In some cases the hotel may be much better than what they have at home. In other cases it may be one of the few times they have been in a nice hotel.

I've gotten around the price by using Hotwire. It has really made a difference in my adventures. I've yet to pay over $105 for a room. In most cases I'm under $100 and almost always 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 star hotel. I've done it so much that I have some special status with them now.

Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Should this be something we recommend to the new SDs?

BigTigg.

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I'm looking at my account now, here are some real world examples:

Westin $66.

Wyndham $68.

Embassy Suites $83.

Sheraton $71.

Hilton $101