Massage Parlor Reports

[Ready]

I have about 2 AMPs (therapists) that I like to visit, and occasionally venture out to a new one based on various reports. As many of you know that it is not the AMP, but the therapist that makes the difference. I like to stick with one therapist at each AMP, maintaining a couple dependables, and sample new opportunities (generally disappointed with a large percent for various reasons).

One of the places is M&M Wellness; it is a clean place with 3-4 rooms on the 2nd floor. I've seen 4 or 5 providers over a number of months, and currently see Jeanie (sp?). She gives a great TS, Massage and I've always left feeling good.

[Bostonpeter]

Yes, and those that you mentioned were young girls of 19. 25 with little or no English? It is still happening not always in the way we hear from politicos. Most need the funds to get here and the assistance in getting the visas. There are a lot of legit agencies who help the girls get the visas, some let the girls pay off their debt on their own and a lot enslave the girls until the debt is paid.

Interview a NY CASA worker, they will tell you.

Now granted a great many of these older ones get busted and will cry they were traffic and that might have been true years before but not likely at the time they are crying. These are facts and human trafficking is not just kidnapping and bringing the girl against their will some are recruited into the fold they just do not realize the amount and time it takes to pay back what is owed.

I can't speak about Chinese girls, but AMPs in this area are primarily S. Korean in this area. As of 2008, S. Korea and the US have a visa-waiver system, so they can enter the country visa-free for business and vacation for 3 months. For this reason there is no need to smuggle S. Korean girls into this country, they can hop on an airplane at their leisure to enter the US.

Now, there are S. Korean loan sharks, but that has nothing to do with their visas. Its not like they would have any power in getting these girls legal visas anyway. Most S. Korean immigrants that overstay their visitor visa, usually need to borrow money due to the more mundane things. As we all know, its near impossible to rent an apartment, get a line of credit, pay utilities, or even get a cellphone contract with a major retailer without credit history or a social security number. They also need transportation. This is where they get in debt. There are unsavory people willing to lend money to people, help them out with the logistics of American life, at high interest rates. But again, these aren't limited to girls, or even girls that work in AMPs, they are for a large set of S. Korean immigrants with shaky immigration status. Let's also keep in mind, that S. Korea is not third-world country. Its a prosperous country. Home of the Samsungs and Hyundais of the world. They are not impoverished people coming to the US for a lack of a better life.

Which is why I've advocated here in the past to tip the girls right. They'll leave for greener pastures in other places where they can make more money. These AMPs are mostly owned by former-AMP girls, many of them also work at the location they own. They are highly mobile, they aren't tied down. For most of these S. Korean AMPs they aren't 'sex slaves'. For the Chinese girls, maybe, I wouldn't know. A lot of this is simply political demagoguing.

[Aman Tuleev]

Yes, and those that you mentioned were young girls of 19. 25 with little or no English?

Of course not. I just wondering if You could find such in NoVa AMPs. It was just my opinion, since many of AMPs in NoVa are under radar, You will find here older providers, who are working on voluntary basis. Prolly, You could find trafficking in TCCC or FCCC or CCCP, but not in AMP.

Of course, I could be wrong. I just wrote about things I see.

Stay Safe,

Aman

[Justforme]

Yes, and those that you mentioned were young girls of 19. 25 with little or no English? It is still happening not always in the way we hear from politicos. Most need the funds to get here and the assistance in getting the visas. There are a lot of legit agencies who help the girls get the visas, some let the girls pay off their debt on their own and a lot enslave the girls until the debt is paid.

Interview a NY CASA worker, they will tell you.

Now granted a great many of these older ones get busted and will cry they were traffic and that might have been true years before but not likely at the time they are crying. These are facts and human trafficking is not just kidnapping and bringing the girl against their will some are recruited into the fold they just do not realize the amount and time it takes to pay back what is owed.

My last ATF, she is working in AMP, and she is very inteligent and very kind Chinese woman, she told me that she is CMT, and she did work in medical office for a long time, and moved to AMP after. And, I do beleive that, because she is very skilled.

My previous ATF, many of You know her well, she is korean, she did serve in USA mil, and she is also moved to AMP by her voluntary decision. She did grow here from ordinary provider to owner of place where she is working now. I'd not tell that she is very rich and spoiled, she is still driving her nissan maxima 199X and she is very modest in everything, I mean living, dressing, etc.

BTW, I think that a time, when some trafficking had place in AMPs, is gone long ago. Now it is mostly voluntary endevour.

Just 2C.

Stay Safe, and be kind with ladies,

Aman

[Aman Tuleev]

Romanticize as you like but the nasty part of the business still exists.

My last ATF, she is working in AMP, and she is very inteligent and very kind Chinese woman, she told me that she is CMT, and she did work in medical office for a long time, and moved to AMP after. And, I do beleive that, because she is very skilled.

My previous ATF, many of You know her well, she is korean, she did serve in USA mil, and she is also moved to AMP by her voluntary decision. She did grow here from ordinary provider to owner of place where she is working now. I'd not tell that she is very rich and spoiled, she is still driving her nissan maxima 199X and she is very modest in everything, I mean living, dressing, etc.

BTW, I think that a time, when some trafficking had place in AMPs, is gone long ago. Now it is mostly voluntary endevour.

Just 2C.

Stay Safe, and be kind with ladies,

Aman

[Anon Busi]

Received some inside information about what happened on 9/30. Supposedly a monger came in and wanted FS (and not the first time this guy has done this at the Fruit) and was denied by the girls and he threatened to call police in retaliation, and I am guessing he did since FF's finest showed up on the same day. Anyway, I was told some of the girls got scared and left the Fruit for good, but nobody got arrested. I checked out the Fairfax police's weekly arrest list (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/crime/arrest.txt) and that appears to be the case. Looks like a few mamasans in the area got rounded up for not having license and allowing unlicensed therapy, but no providers (at least none with Asian names) were hooked.

Anyway, I just wanted to vent on what a fucking loser this monger is. Drove away some of the best girls around here, and for what?

[Justforme]

I started out years ago with the Washington Post sports section but that place has mostly dried up. I moved on the Washington City Paper which now has on-line classified as well, check the personal service ares as well. From there I went CL and you might know about why that dries up but the Thro section can still give you leads. On to BP and CV EROS, etc. The warning which you already know from reading this fucking forum, most of the ads are bullshit and the service in many places suck. The AMPs are mostly filled with dried up hads who finished their usefulness in the big thriving cities and are now here working for / with the MMS.

Hope this helds and welcome to this real world.

PS: hit a hot latina, please PM me, legally young spinners are my thing. Thanks.

It's all good, I understand that when you transition from Japan and the International forum, you lose your post count and time on the boards, so it's expected. And I DID read the fucking forum, which gave me some good acronyms, but no real locations or even close names, which is why I asked for some clarification. But at the same time, the hesitation is also understandable, due to the nature of the game. I would never fault you guys for being overly cautious. Yes, I am still in the Air Force, but as a comm nerd, I'm about as far removed from a badge as you can possibly be. Your directions would have been helpful a few weeks ago, though, when I needed to get fingerprinted for my concealed carry permit.

[Justforme]

i was not going to get into this but since it is continuing i would like to bring to light as many might not realize or are ignoring this but in some of these asian (korean / chinese) massage services, the girls come here in debt. in debt to smugglers for the cost of visas and or airfare and in some cases obtained the fake or forged passports and visas (it has gotten easier for the korean young girls as they no longer need visas to come here). how do you think those from dirt poor or their countries middle class can afford the trip here. this might not be the case for a majority of the women in this area, as they are old and past their usefulness to some of the people in charge so they strike out on their own and are now making their own money. in the good ole ny where some of these girls are fresh in country, it is true. to stay away from the political aspects you just need to consult with a ny casa who have worked with some of these girls to know about that part of the business.

romanticize as you like but the nasty part of the business still exists.

the ones that advertise on bp have a mix of girls who live in the us and those who come up to el norte on tourist visas for a few months to make a lot of easy money. most of these outfits are run by women who started out working themselves, and brought in friends of friends to expand the business.

girls who are being trafficked don't have their own cell phones, don't walk out of an apartment alone to open the back door of a secured building to discreetly let customers in, don't give out their email addresses, and don't go to dinner or ask customers to go out dancing (and i speak from experience).

the ms-13 run brothels with trafficked and / or **** girls don't advertise. even in some of those cheapo places, there are girls who come and go as they please. i also speak from experience here, although my knowledge of those kinds of places is about 5 years out of date.

[DeuceSlim]

There wasn't half a page of posts about how hot the AMPs are right now just one page back (pardon the rhyme). If you're out trying to hit AMPs for extras right now you might as well go to the station yourself.

Now for a non-asshole answer; you'd be better suited hitting up BP at the moment.

From earlier posts, Blarghonk appears to be still in, or recently out of the service. Although he asks a lot of questions for a guy without a lot of posts, let's not send him into hostile territory.

[Blarghonk]

It's all good, I understand that when you transition from Japan and the International forum, you lose your post count and time on the boards, so it's expected. And I DID read the fucking forum, which gave me some good acronyms, but no real locations or even close names, which is why I asked for some clarification. But at the same time, the hesitation is also understandable, due to the nature of the game. I would never fault you guys for being overly cautious. Yes, I am still in the Air Force, but as a comm nerd, I'm about as far removed from a badge as you can possibly be. Your directions would have been helpful a few weeks ago, though, when I needed to get fingerprinted for my concealed carry permit.

[Bunker Buster]

You know, you could always go to Red Tree at 4900 Stonecroft Blvd, or Friendly Feeling at 12000 Bowman Towne Drive.

I hear they're a real eye-opening experience. Top notch facilities, good service, they'll even provide transportation if you wish.

The staff is so great it'll be hard for you to leave.

From earlier posts, Blarghonk appears to be still in, or recently out of the service. Although he asks a lot of questions for a guy without a lot of posts, let's not send him into hostile territory.

[Bunker Buster]

now the latino (and / or eastern european if there are any around here) operations, they are a different story as tivoterry has suggested, and i wouldn't touch them with a 60-foot pole. those are what polaris and police should focus their energy upon if sex slave problem is what they really care about.

the ones that advertise on bp have a mix of girls who live in the us and those who come up to el norte on tourist visas for a few months to make a lot of easy money. most of these outfits are run by women who started out working themselves, and brought in friends of friends to expand the business.

girls who are being trafficked don't have their own cell phones, don't walk out of an apartment alone to open the back door of a secured building to discreetly let customers in, don't give out their email addresses, and don't go to dinner or ask customers to go out dancing (and i speak from experience).

the ms-13 run brothels with trafficked and / or **** girls don't advertise. even in some of those cheapo places, there are girls who come and go as they please. i also speak from experience here, although my knowledge of those kinds of places is about 5 years out of date.

[DeuceSlim]

Hey why'all, I'll be heading up to the Chantilly area this weekend for the gun show. I'm going to be getting a hotel room for the two day stint at the show (you can never see everything in one day, especially at a show this big) , and I'd like to find something to entertain me for the evening after the show closes. I know "NoVa" is a pretty big area, is there anything in easy driving distance of Chantilly that you would recommend? I would prefer not having to go into DC, but when push comes to shove, I won't be picky.

Thanks!

You know, you could always go to Red Tree at 4900 Stonecroft Blvd, or Friendly Feeling at 12000 Bowman Towne Drive.

I hear they're a real eye-opening experience. Top notch facilities, good service, they'll even provide transportation if you wish.

The staff is so great it'll be hard for you to leave.

[Blarghonk]

Hey y'all, I'll be heading up to the Chantilly area this weekend for the gun show. I'm going to be getting a hotel room for the two day stint at the show (you can never see everything in one day, especially at a show this big) , and I'd like to find something to entertain me for the evening after the show closes. I know "NoVa" is a pretty big area, is there anything in easy driving distance of Chantilly that you would recommend? I would prefer not having to go into DC, but when push comes to shove, I won't be picky.

Thanks!

[IluvSmellyFish]

I know of AMPs that have been shut down because of too much publicity. Either their own or because of these kinds of forums. Share enough info to help keep your favorite spots in business but not enough to get them shut down. Post all your reports of unsatisfying encounters for the world to see.

This is really a red herring type of argument / effort. There is nothing LE already doesn't know already re: where and what. That they may find / read on here. I agree reasonable diligence is necessary on dealing with less established members (how many times have we seen the "new members" with one or two posts asking where they can go get "action". These guys obviously need to be ignored for obvious reasons) and also with publicly posting every last detail (PM among senior members can provide the nitty gritty). But, would urge folks NOT to discontinue contributing in fear. It just doesn't really make a difference. And I believe is ultimately a net gain for both the AMPs and us to continue.