"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**MyHobby** · 08-14-11 15:50

I've been using that technique for some time now. I always seem to do better o the road than on my home court. I've found the best thing to do is start to send out some messages the week prior to the trip and you'll seldom spend a night alone watching porn in your hotel room. One thing to remember: these girls are notoriously unreliable and some may just want to get together for a drink and might only bang the second date. I often times will have 2 ready to go and unfortunately drop one of them if the other pans out. If you're in a town for 2 nights its generally easy enough to float bot and maybe even go out with both. I think my record was 4 dates in 3 days in Las Vegas. Had another time in NYC had drinks with what turned out to be a pro with GPS and we couldn't come to an agreement. I had bben texting on and off all night with a Columbian MILF who came right over almost before the GPS was in the cab.

**F Scott** · 08-13-11 16:14

Gentlemen,

As promised, I am sharing a surprisingly successful new approach to finding and fucking SBs that I hit upon by accident, but have used to my advantage more than once.

A few months ago I had to be out of town overnight for work. On a whim, the day before I left I contacted a number of babies in that city who had recently posted their profile or recently been on line. My text was extremely polite and apologetic, beginning with the line 'I may be way off base with this but. ' and explaining that I was an experienced SD from my home city and that I was going to be in her town overnight and wondered if she might like to have drinks. No mention of sugar, fucking, nothing like that at all, and finishing with an apology if I had offended her.

My thinking was at best I would have drinks and some laughs with a hot baby as a pleasant end to my work day, and at worst I would get no reply and end up watching porn on the tv in my room as usual. Surprisingly, I got several responses, but only one that came in on time for me to act upon. We exchanged a few emails when I arrived, and agreed to meet in the hotel bar for drinks. Again, that was all that was discussed. When this HYB arrived, she was gorgeous! Even when I had a 30' waist and all my own hair I would never have had the balls to approach someone like her. At one point when she got up to go to the bathroom the waiter who had been serving us came over and exclaimed over how hot she was and asked if I would give her his telephone number! I think he thought we were co-workers or something. Needless to say, I threw that scrap of paper right out!

After some really enjoyable conversation and some drinks, I remembered a line that Lit used once, and stood up, told her my room number, and said I'the be really honored if she would like to come up with me. She stood up immediately and there followed about 3 hours of the hottest fucking I had had up to that point.

Now if the story ended there, I'the be happy, but it continues! Two weeks later, I got an email from her, saying she was going to be in my town for her work, and wondered if we could get together for an hour or two. Shit yes! We are now in contact every two weeks, and she is game for fucking whenever and wherever we can make it happen.

Now, if the story ended here, I'the still be happy as well, but it continues! Of the three other babies who responded to my contact, but too late for me to do anything about, two have been fucked successfully so far. One, a totally hot MILF who bears an uncanny resemblance to Cheryl Crowe, but 5'2' tall, and the other a HYB who has family in my home town she can come and visit when I call her for more pussy.

I have used this stratagem again, in a different city, with identical results. An HYB to fuck at the end of the day, and several other contacts who are ready to go the next time I hit town. Now here's why I think it works: I am extremely, and I mean extremely polite and apologetic in my text, make sure to mention that I am an experienced SD, and only suggest meeting for drinks and / or dinner, nothing more. Once contacted in the positive, I do hint that if something else were to happen, I'the be ok with it, but that is the exact language I use. Nothing salacious or lewd. I truly believe that the fact that I am from out of town represents the epitome of an nsa, safe and secret situation, and for some of these girls that is a huge turn on. They know they will never see me again unless they want to. Also, I believe that meeting just for drinks from a contact on a SD / SB site puts in their heads the notion that it could lead to something more if they want, and that thought just sits in the back of their minds, growing increasingly attractive as the drinks are consumed.

I offer this to you all in the hopes that you will fine tune it to your particular situations and personalities, and that you will use it to get more pussy. I can promise you that it works. I have two more trips planned for early fall to different cities, and have babies lined up for drinks in both of them. I have actually thought of creating a second profile from another city and using the same wheeze (P. G. Wodehouse fans will recognize this term) to fish for babies in my own town. Ah, the many facets of this pursuit!

Lastly, a thanks to Spitfire for backing me up on the whole teeth thing. I don't have a hand or nail thing, but I can see what you mean, and am now a little worried that I will subconsciously add that to my list of phobias! Nando, I'the be happy to share digits with you, as I would sincerely like to know how she is as a fuck, but I am 1500 miles from you. That's a long way to go to get laid!

Keep up the good work, gentlemen.

Scott

**Spitfire** · 08-13-11 14:17

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

But I just couldn't get past the teeth! Those of you out there who share this particular phobia with me will understand; those who don't, a little slack, please. I can't help it, but there it is.

Scott

I'm with you on the teeth. I have lots of little phobias. I need nice teeth and nice hands with nice natural nails. I can't stand fake nails, or french manicures or 'stripper' tips (as I call them) or designs on finger / toe nails. If I meet up with any women with those issues, they go in the 'no' pile.

**Hernando** · 08-12-11 15:38

Scotty,

Ask your HYB with crooked teeth if you can share digits with the brotherhood. As long as her breath is clean I don't much care if she is not the orthodontist's model of the year. If she has a tight body and is eager she can provide some entertainment for those of us looking for a tweener.

**F Scott** · 08-12-11 13:34

Gentlemen,

Taking into account the opinions, counsel and collective wisdom of the SDs who responded, little Scottie and I decided to go ahead and meet with the HYB, but to proceed with a greater degree of caution. The general consensus that I was dealing with a pro was incorrect, I believe, but somewhat closer to the truth than my fantasy, which was of fantastic amateur pussy just falling into my lap, so to speak.

After several more emails back and forth, including an astounding to-do list of what was awaiting me when we met (the girl is a creative writing major in college) , I asked if she would get us a room and I would reimburse her in addition to the agreed-upon sugar. This she readily did, and told me she lived with her parents, which if true, I took to be a good sign. I also asked that we meet outside of a near-by Starbucks, so I could do to her what a previous SB did to me, which was a visual drive-by. Pictures are one thing, but they can be old, manipulated, and rarely tell the entire tale.

Having satisfied myself that she was, indeed, hot and a true spinner, I parked and walked up to meet her. Scottie and I were both in a high state of excitement, and I was thinking about that to-do list with a great deal of anticipation, hoping I would make it all the way to the end without spraining something.

The mood was pretty much shattered when I got close and she opened her mouth to say Hello. I have a real thing for good teeth, and hers were a wreck. Not 'meth teeth', mind you, but seriously askew, though they were white enough. Scottie immediately ducked his head and hid, but I was less fortunate, and had to talk to for a bit until I could make my escape.

As we talked, I noticed the perfect little boobs under her tank top, a very nice, tight ass beneath her skirt, and the fact that she could not have been more than 5 feet tall. Scottie began to stir, and we both reassessed the situation. When the words 'I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling it' came out of my mouth, we were both a little surprised, as was she. She then countered with, 'Well, can I just give you a blow job? ' which seemed reasonable seeing as I had driven almost an hour to get there.

We went to the room she had booked, and after we got naked, she proceeded to give me one of the best bjs I've had in a long time. All mouth and tongue, no cheating with her hands, and total CIMWS. Her body was ultra-fine as well, and I seriously thought of abandoning my principles and pounding that wet pussy for all I was worth, but I just couldn't get past the teeth! Those of you out there who share this particular phobia with me will understand; those who don't, a little slack, please. I can't help it, but there it is.

The reason I think that she was on her way to being a pro, but not quite there yet, is that she is clearly a major pot head, and was high at 9 in the morning when we met. My guess is that she is doing this to fund her habit, among other things, and has made peace with herself by blaming the weed. Just a guess, but accurate I think.

In other news, I am currently courting two other HYBs, one of which will be mine as soon as I can clear some time. The other is hooked, but is still circling the net, not yet ready to be landed. Monday I meet up with a third baby that had been ready to be bedded, but a family emergency took her out of town. God I love this hobby!

As promised, I will post next about my interesting new twist on the SD / SB thing that has yielded surprisingly good results, but I want to thank all who weighed in on this one. I would do her again in a heart beat if it weren't for those teeth! Ugh!

Keep up the good work, gentlemen,

Scott

**Golfcart** · 08-11-11 13:49

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

Hey guys,

I ran across a new / different one recently. I met up with a potential sb for drinks, we hit it off pretty well I thought and talked about plans for getting together later. A couple of days later I get an email from her with price quotes for varying amounts of time! This is a first for me in the sd / sb world, quoting by the hour. The sb was older than advertised (imagine that?) , and much bigger than her pics. The hourly quotes were above the hottest YHB escort rates in my area as well.

My question. Should I respond to her email? My thoughts are to either ignore it, or to respond with a thanks but no thanks and possibly sharing the amount of sugar I'm used to. Any other ideas from the professionals out there?

My approach is both sides must be naturally happy with the arrangement. If it requires work to make it work it won't work. The reason doesn't matter.

But what Magic Rat presents is a girl with Golden Pussy Syndrome at its purest, most recognizable and undeniable form. No good can come from trying to explain the economic facts of life to someone so afflicted. She won't get it because her goal is to win. Any further contact will be pointless and lead to drama. I wouldn't reply.

**Varoom** · 08-11-11 12:37

Originally Posted by fscott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

To expand a bit on my previous post, I've done all the usual things, tin-eyed the photos, googled her cell, and other posted suggestions to see if she might be a moonlighting provider, and it has all turned up nothing. I just can't believe this HYB picked me because of my eloquence. If so, I'm going to do a lot more talking!

I wait eagerly for your weigh-ins.

Scott

Of course it wouldn't take much for an astute young lady to have a "cool phone", that using a different number than her regular enterprise. Sort of like a gent having a hobby phone, but in her case it would be for her ametuer engagements. So the phone number going nowhere means nothing to me.

As advised, I would be cautious about mentioning anything of sexual nature and finance in the same sentence. And certainly not in writing. Just be cautious when you meet her, treat it like you would any other situation of just meeting a provider, and proceed with kid golves until you are satisfied that she is legit. Then pound that puss like you mean it. And of course let the rest of us know how it all goes. Cheers and multi-O's.

**Hernando** · 08-11-11 11:29

Well here is another escort like FScott's mentioned below.

She may or may not be a regular working girl who overtly advertises but none the less she is an hourly worker and should be treated as such.

The question for you to ask yourself is : If she was advertising on this escort section at those prices would you see her? If no then walk away and let her stew over a lost client. If you liked her look well enough to counter offer then do so. You have nothing to lose but another GPS want to be.

**Magic Rat** · 08-11-11 11:03

Hey guys,

I ran across a new / different one recently. I met up with a potential sb for drinks, we hit it off pretty well I thought and talked about plans for getting together later. A couple of days later I get an email from her with price quotes for varying amounts of time! This is a first for me in the sd / sb world, quoting by the hour. The sb was older than advertised (imagine that?) , and much bigger than her pics. The hourly quotes were above the hottest YHB escort rates in my area as well.

My question. Should I respond to her email? My thoughts are to either ignore it, or to respond with a thanks but no thanks and possibly sharing the amount of sugar I'm used to. Any other ideas from the professionals out there?

**Hernando** · 08-10-11 20:24

For what it is worth from my POV, don't look a gift pussy in the mouth but just realize that this girl is an escort (nando class 1 and / or 2). If she is not playing footsie with you trying to figure out if you are tolerable for the hour she is a working girl looking to fill up her dance card or is a junkie desperate for some do-re-me.

Just be cautious mentioning $ and sex in the same breath.

**F Scott** · 08-10-11 18:03

Gentlemen,

To expand a bit on my previous post, I've done all the usual things, tin-eyed the photos, googled her cell, and other posted suggestions to see if she might be a moonlighting provider, and it has all turned up nothing. I just can't believe this HYB picked me because of my eloquence. If so, I'm going to do a lot more talking!

I wait eagerly for your weigh-ins.

Scott

**F Scott** · 08-10-11 12:12

Gentlemen,

I am seeking the collective wisdom, which is considerable, on a situation I have lined up for Friday morning. I have been happily pursuing the SD / SB hobby for 6 months now, and I am having the best time of my life. Here is my issue:

I was contacted out of the blue by a HYB in my area. This only happens to me if the SBs are milfs that you wouldn't fuck drunk with the lights off. This girl was young, hot and a spinner. What's not to like, right? After two or three emails, she suggests meeting at a hotel and getting right to it. No coffee first, (my usual mo) , no drinks, and, here's the puzzler, no picture from me.

Now I have a well-written profile, which I have been polishing and refining over the past months, but it is not good enough to get panties on the floor.

My question to you all is this: should I be worried that something is amiss here, and if so, what could it be? I would really like to fuck her, we've agreed on a small amount of sugar, and I've got my vitamins all lined up, so I'm ready to roll. But something seems fishy, or am I just looking a gift horse in the mouth?

I welcome all insights either here or via pm.

As an aside, some of you might remember me for my dramatic and perhaps hasty exit from this thread several months back. I regret the misunderstanding that arose, and actually have messaged Lit a couple of times. I have an interesting angle on the SB pursuit that I will share with you all when I have a little more time.

Thanks for the help,

Scott

**Hernando** · 08-06-11 19:23

Max, my sympathies go out to you. HYB Stripper is either playing you "to the Max" or is incredibly naive to the biz.

As " hard " as it is I would assume the former and is throwing a little bone in there each time to keep you coming back. So far you have blessed her with sugar thrice, and if it is a substantial amount she will walk away with a nice nest egg and move on to tease the next guy. I have to believe that you laid the law down about the next visit involving coitus un-interuptus and she has not responded favorably. Consider yourself lucky to have learned this lesson so that Max Jr doesn't make the same mistake again.

In a previous post I told the tale about my stripper experience. This was a little different since she did give up the goods for several pay for play episodes, but walked out on me when I discussed an arrangement gave her a the first installment up front. I had one more encounter after that to start working the credit off and that was the last time I ever heard from her again. I don't think I was that bad in bed either darnit!

Many (most?) of these sex workers are damaged goods emotionally and have been abused by men before. Either family members (this girl) , an abusive boyfriend (this girl too) , coworker, teacher, coach. Anyone with an attatched penis able to take advantage. I believe this girl hates men and is using us in a passive aggressive way to get back.

**Golfcart** · 08-05-11 22:25

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

I have one HYB dancer that wants sugar for companionship with "nothing sexual". I asked what "nothing sexual" meant to her. She couldn't answer. So I thought I would try to see if she was serious.

First time, we went out for a few drinks ended up at a hotel with her doing a nude dance for me. When she started to grind on me, I responded by touching her which got her turned on. We ultimately ended up in a heated 69 when she all of a sudden realizes what she is doing and freaks out. She is upset we went too far and can't believe I got her that turned on. I'm frustrated I didn't finish and feel guilty that she thought we went too far. Strike one.

She contacts me a second time asking to get together. I assume, incorrectly, that she has decided she is okay with the sex part. We meet again for drinks and end up in a hotel. She does the nude dance, but won't let me touch her. We ended watching each other get off. She's good. I'm frustrated again. Strike two.

She contacts me a third time wanting to meet. I let her know I don't want to pay to walk away frustrated or guilty. I sugest she let me try to get both of us fully aroused with a full body massage and see how we both feel if we don't follow to completion. I promise not to go any further unless she attacks me. Which I'm not sure I could fight off. She sugests I get a room with a hot tub, stawberry's, wine, etc. We meet, eventually ended up in the hot tub. I'm massaging her being very carefully not to touch her nipples or vagina. She ends up sticking her nipples in my mouth while sitting on my lap in the tub. She starts grinding me and I'm working hard not to enter her. She grabs my cock and sticks it in her. We go at it for few minutes, when she realizes what she is doing and freaks out again. She's upset again. I'm frustrated and feel guilty. Strike three.

She called again wanting to meet. Still doesn't want sex. I declined.

She is definately hot and I know she is into it, but too young and confused.

Dancers make their living off the up-sell. No good P4P ever comes from a dancer unless it is expensive in comparison, and things seem to get more expensive because dancers push the envelope (no pun intended). We don't know how much sugarbread Madaboutmax is laying out and not getting fully laid. This sounds like Traditional Dancer Theory to me, something to avoid at all cost. So at first I was ready to say that Madaboutmax is being played like a violin. But I'm not so sure.

I sense Madaboutmax may have caught this girl early, before she has fully crossed the line in her own mind of fucking for money. That's a line some girls in the adult business never cross or they cross it and load up on guilt. That may be why this girl stops fucking for money before she fucks for money very long. Maybe this is how she views herself; maybe this is how she perceives she will be viewed by Madaboutmax, an important distinction.

Madaboutmax doesn't seem to be complaining about the sugar; he just wants her to let go and swing for the outfield. Madaboutmax, if you want her badly, here is a post I made several months ago. It describes many girls out there and may apply to this girl. Madaboutmax can decide. I thought right off it might, plus the special sign when Madaboutmax's second date reported regression.

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

Every woman will turn a trick under the right circumstances.

She will do it for the excitement of being desired by a strange man willing to pay her. There may be other issues in the background, but a disconnect is always present, i.e., she does not see herself as being paid. She sees the situation as her showing appreciation to a friend (the man) who helps her out. She may see it as "found money," there for the taking he would be giving someone anyway. Whatever, however it is rationalized she is not there to be paid and is not being paid. This is not what is happening. She is clear what this is not, less clear what this is.

The guy's treatment of her and how the money is handled must conform to her sense of reality, not his, or he'll blow what he found. Few girls ever take the step of fucking for money in their mind and those who take that step few ever recover.

She will disappear the instant she senses his sense of reality differs from hers, the instant he treats the money as payment for services which usually happens when he attempts to control her in some way or (this is worse) when he says the wrong thing.

With a woman what we say will get us into more trouble than what we do. Do not say anything about the money, ever. Joking is feigned truth. No joking.

Do not give her the money first. Do not even hand her the money. Not that there aren't other ways, I put a rubber band around it and put it in her handbag while on the elevator leaving, as the door is closing, or as I open the door of the car for her to get in, as she is getting in, a good distraction, whenever there is a distraction, without saying a word, I cup my hand as I slide it into her handbag so nothing is seen, and nothing is said. She may say, "Thank you," and I still keep my mouth shut.

The guy must treat her normally, like a regular person, absolutely not like a date even, that will scare her, that we may become attached to her. She does not want that. She did not pick us. She is not into us. She's had boyfriends become problems and she will see us as a problem down the road if we act like boyfriends act. Boyfriends always get possessive. Hence, no questions about her other activities. Asking about her day is probably the only safe question simply because the answer is open-ended from her point of view.

So how do we treat her? We should treat her like we would treat a guy friend of ours, a guy in our foursome, not make a big deal over her, not make a big deal over it, certainly not expect it, so she has the security of being able to withdraw at any point without any entanglements, certainly without getting caught should she change her mind or should she go through with it, never caught no matter what. She must be secure she can walk away with no consequences, no fear of discovery. We must never promise her that very thing because she will hear a threat instead. We promise her that by showing her safety, security, patience and being non-judgmental about her and the relationship. Asking her, “How long have you been doing this?” is, to her, about as judgmental as it can get. For us guys, coming from us, many questions are judgmental. Keep the conversation in the present.

With that security she'll turn a trick. That we may be an old fart is inconsequential to her unless it makes us safer in her eyes. The only thing that matters is how we treat her, that she is safe and secure with us and the money magically appears.

We must show no interest in her personal details, her real name, etc. As soon as we suddenly learn too much because she is talking too much she will realize our knowledge is power to out her, and that is not good for us. We must protect her from herself by diverting the conversation away. She'll figure out we are protecting her free will to withdraw with no fear of entanglement, in her best interest. She will see us as safe and secure and that is what we will really be.

**Madaboutmax** · 08-04-11 18:51

I have one HYB dancer that wants sugar for companionship with "nothing sexual". I asked what "nothing sexual" meant to her. She couldn't answer. So I thought I would try to see if she was serious.

First time, we went out for a few drinks ended up at a hotel with her doing a nude dance for me. When she started to grind on me, I responded by touching her which got her turned on. We ultimately ended up in a heated 69 when she all of a sudden realizes what she is doing and freaks out. She is upset we went too far and can't believe I got her that turned on. I'm frustrated I didn't finish and feel guilty that she thought we went too far. Strike one.

She contacts me a second time asking to get together. I assume, incorrectly, that she has decided she is okay with the sex part. We meet again for drinks and end up in a hotel. She does the nude dance, but won't let me touch her. We ended watching each other get off. She's good. I'm frustrated again. Strike two.

She contacts me a third time wanting to meet. I let her know I don't want to pay to walk away frustrated or guilty. I sugest she let me try to get both of us fully aroused with a full body massage and see how we both feel if we don't follow to completion. I promise not to go any further unless she attacks me. Which I'm not sure I could fight off. She sugests I get a room with a hot tub, stawberry's, wine, etc. We meet, eventually ended up in the hot tub. I'm massaging her being very carefully not to touch her nipples or vagina. She ends up sticking her nipples in my mouth while sitting on my lap in the tub. She starts grinding me and I'm working hard not to enter her. She grabs my cock and sticks it in her. We go at it for few minutes, when she realizes what she is doing and freaks out again. She's upset again. I'm frustrated and feel guilty. Strike three.

She called again wanting to meet. Still doesn't want sex. I declined.

She is definately hot and I know she is into it, but too young and confused.