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[TryinAgain2]

In retrospect, my post below was pretty harsh. More so than it should have been. My apologies.

As far as YMMV factors and different guys having different experiences, I wasn't referring to that so much. That's to be expected. That to which I was referring is more along the lines of leaving out discrepancies, like potential B&S tactics, photos not matching anywhere close to reality, difficult to confirm what can be expected for donation, etc. The fact that you thought you were being harsh is to my point. You weren't. And I still get the feeling there's more to the story that could be dissuasive to many or at least to those that think like me. We're all big boys as well, and can decipher what we think is acceptable or not a problem for us from honest, complete information. I'm just advocating for getting it all out there, and let the information lead each where it may.

Yes, I'm the Yummy Bunny fan, and my experience was different. She was awesome the first time, and even better the second. I've not been fortunate enough for a third, though it could always mirror your experience, of course. But the bigger issue is that there was nothing sketchy about her or her meeting practices. That seems to have been consistent between us. Same for many other good providers. I honestly have no idea who the other you're talking about is, unless it's the board's UTR sweetheart, T. And again, maybe some haven't enjoyed her performances as much as we, but I've yet to see a report on anything sketchy.

Again, the comments I made below about lack of info have more to do with leaving out the sketchiness. I think you're being far too hard on yourself in assuming the blame. Sure, you forgot some basics that would have helped you avoid it all, but let's not forget that there are plenty of guys here that haven't developed that intuition or instinct yet. Giving them the details of deception would not only help them individually know what to look for and how to avoid bad situations, but also, despite our board being a small bump on the BP customer scene, go at least a little way toward reducing how often this crap is successful for these, well, I'll keep it clean and say,"bad girls".

TA2

[Alternativ]

I found a review and seems to be a decent provider, I wanted to call her but her ad says she only available till 6 so I haven't got the chance.

[TryinAgain2]

http://indianapolis.backpage.com/Fem...eek-25/4725030

She looks great.

Anyone can PM me or answer, I would like to see if they are real. Seem to have reviews on another site.

Thanks,

IR

First, if you look her up on a popular site, VIP or not, with the some of the words such as The and Exotic and Reviews, you'll find she goes by three names, and the links to her pages show some photos that make the BP versions look about 10 years old. I'm not a VIP there, so I don't know what the reviews state, but starting out with old, inaccurate pics and three different names doesn't encourage me much. But then again, I'm quick to give up on dishonest or even seemingly dishonest providers. I've had my fill of them.

TA2

[Tony Verghese]

I set up an appointment to meet Jenny of Castleton (http://indianapolis.backpage.com/Fem...nde-25/4704522)

Commentary.

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Appointment scheduled afternoon. I reach location (motel) on time. Knock the door, door opens and gets in.

Description.

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24 something. 5' 4 " baby faced and curvy (chubby to be more precise ).

Commentary Contd.

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She is nervous, I talk about rates (spooks her) ; decides to get comfortable, she has another appointment in 30 minutes. She is starting to rush, Me trying slow down. Her spook point is crossed and she decides to abandon session. Requests me to take money and leave. I try to understand, she is polite but firm on her decision. We shake hands, she opens the door for me and I leave. End of story.

Thanks.

Tony

[IrishLaddie]

http://indianapolis.backpage.com/Fem...eek-25/4725030

She looks great.

Anyone can PM me or answer, I would like to see if they are real. Seem to have reviews on another site.

Thanks,

IR

[Tony Verghese]

Anybody got any info on this one http://indianapolis.backpage.com/Fem...ina-22/4586530

Thanks.

Tony

[Ilapp]

It has never failed, the set-up is a precursor for how the appointment will go.

We are also at our weakest right before we knock on the door, when we are under the spell of believing we are about to get laid, when we rationalize. That is the most dangerous time for us.

GC as always hit it right and Varoom you are exactly right, why I took the blame and didn't blast them perhaps as much as TA2 thought I should, I did not do what I know I should have done. And as for getting over it, as a friend told me last night best way to do that is to go right out and get under someone (it was a female)

[Golfcart]

(edit delete) First rule of thumb for me is when things don't go as scripted from the get-go, that is exactly what I do. Get-go (edit delete

It has never failed, the set-up is a precursor for how the appointment will go.

We are also at our weakest right before we knock on the door, when we are under the spell of believing we are about to get laid, when we rationalize. That is the most dangerous time for us.

[Obama]

Your story is NOT funny, but man it is! I am laughing (but very quietly and to myself) because it is so damned familiar! I myself have done that slow death spiral, watching myself helplessly lurch from bad to worse like in a Jack Lemon movie and knowing better the whole time. And that's classic addict behavior.

My point here is to buy you a metaphorical beer in sympathy. But this reminds, as in my post about adulation for girls who happily humiliate us, that this is a HOBBY for us but a livelihood for them. Some of them enjoy it and our company to be sure, just like I enjoy many of my clients in my business. But no matter how long their list of guys who bow and scrape and sugar daddies who fill their closets and appointment books, it's proof they need our dollars (but, importantly, not US) to pay their bills this month, every month, and please be snappy about it. It's wrong to expect love, or even acceptance, but basic respect for your time and money should come standard, like we are to respect them as women and people. Or porn stars, either one.

Bad providers. Let's call a spade a spade and move on to chapter 45!

[Ilapp]

The whole time I was reading this Chapter 44 story, one thought was foremost in my mind: Your recommendation carries a lot of weight, here and in other circles. These girls will likely rue the day they made you a target of their game (and I firmly believe that's what they did; not a scam per se, as service was provided, but shenanigans were afoot nonetheless.) They may never fully realize their error, because the clients may continue to come, but what they'll lose is a more-likely-to-repeat, higher-end clientele who values your opinion.

You as always make a good point friend. A couple of additional points; I made mention that I had called Kayla first but wasn't going to see her until I had the chance to check a couple of things out. I got a call while I was with her, she asked if I wanted to take it, I was still dressed, so I looked, and it took me a moment for it to register. I look at her and said the number, and asked isn't' that your phone number? She said it wasn't but I knew better, someone was returning my call to her while I was looking at her. Another bad sign was when I got into the room I could tell she was a little pissed because she basically said someone told her to leave the pool and take the apt on the phone when they called, I got the definite impression she really didn't want to and wanted to stay at the pool, I really wish she would have. She also said that she planned to be on the northside mainly now and often referred to the fact that there were bad things going on with her, don't know if the two things are connected or not.

So it was what it was, and maybe the other post was right in that I wasn't harsh enough, I think part of that was because I made a lot of rookie mistakes and should have been smarter than that and cancelled and walked on the spot, so even though I am pissed and feel I got taken advantage of, I had the control to make the choice and to due a better job of due diligence to make sure what the deal was. As I was told there, when you call a hooker you know you what you are going to get, not my words mid you. Maybe she should have said it's when you don't call them that you are really going to get it.

[Varoom]

Ilapp:

Man. You sort of got what you signed up for, IMO.

Nothing went right about this situation from the get-go and you seemed to keep sticking your little head in the noose.

It seems that you relinquished control on all fronts and expected these young ladies to make sure Daddy had a great time.

As I'm sure you know, this is largely about ground rules. You set them or negotiate them, of which you didn't do in advance in either case. You let THEM set the rules and run the show. Whenever that happens, guess who loses? (the home team).

These ladies both appear to be decent providers, based on other reviews. I simply do not see bait and switch here, only an opportunity that you presented for them to be in control and for them to decide the outcome. When that happens you will be let done 9 out of 10 times. Of course I know that you know all this stuff.

First rule of thumb for me is when things don't go as scripted from the get-go, that is exactly what I do. Get-go (ne). It works every time. I've never had a bad exeperience on the ones that gave me a reason to say see-ya, as you simply leave the way you got there with pocket in tact. Live to love another day.

If I were you, I would re-evaluate what you invited upon yourself here and I would get over this; QUICKLY. Varoom

[Ilapp]

This is probably way out of line, and I may be shooting myself in the foot for saying it, but man, what gives?

Illap, you got screwed over, messed with, lied to, bait & switched, and all by a woman you had no previous loyalty to, and another you were over kind in reviewing in the past (not to mention now). What gives, man? If you can't be honest with your assessments on here, and tell it like it is, polite or not, then what good are your reviews? I know my bluntness has not been appreciated much on here from some in the past, so I'm certain that I'm "one of those asses", but after reading that entire post of you tripping all over yourself to avoid stating something negative about a couple of women that went out of their way to rip you off not once, but now twice, I'm not so sure you aren't at risk of screwing over the worthy women you truly love, that deserve great reviews from you, because you are proving yourself incapable of telling the honest, brutal truth when things don't go well or go truly wrong. The bad HAS to come out with the good, or all of the good reports are suspect.

And that would be a shame, because on your recommendation in the past I've met a couple of my ATF's. On your recommendation, though, I've also found myself wasting time a couple of times now, and I'm starting to feel like that would have been avoided had you been more forthcoming with relevant intel. Specifically, I very nearly wasted more with Kayla myself, because I've seriously considered seeing her lately, based on your past review which was, by my recollection, glowing and firmly positive and positively lacking in any negatives and the relevant story of how you met. I even asked and speculated and still didn't get the story. I know what I like, what I'm willing to forgive, endure, and so forth, and when I look at reviews, I'm looking for those things that stand out positively and negatively to balance into someone I'm willing to spend my time and donation to see. But after this latest post, and some things in retrospect, I feel like you hold out far too much information in the name of "protecting" the reputation of some of these women that don't, imo, deserve your effort.

Obviously, what you report, review and disclose is completely your choice. It's hardly my place to advice or suggest how you handle yourself, so for overstepping my bounds, I apologize in advance. But it's in my nature to speak brutally honest to those I respect because of that respect and assumption that they can handle it. As you said, you're "a big boy", and I'd just like you know how I'm reading this whole scenario.

TA2

I don't think you are being an ass here, and even if you were that wasn't the kind I was speaking of. I am going to reread what I wrote, because I thought I was not being all that nice about it, but I was so pissed off that maybe old habits slip through. It is funny you put it like you did because it occurred to me that I should perhaps stick to a few facts only the first time I see someone, if I say anything at all; it would appear that maybe I should hold all comment and thoughts until after at least a second appt. To see how things average out, and to not say things while basking in the afterglow when I might not be thinking clearly, lack of blood flow and all. Thing is, I did have a good time with Kayla the first time, but because of the situation I was wary and in good control, and it turned out fine. And I have been tempted to call a number of times, but knowing I would not talk to her personally when I did to get the questions I had answered, and her being on a side of town I don't get too often, I let it slide and filled my time else wise, since most of my activity for a good while has been out of the mainstream. It seems often repeats are never as good, although there are those that get better every time you see them. I can't remember if you were one of Sasha's / Yummybunny's fan's but as crazy as I was about her the subsequent trips, although good, never lived up to the first time. And there is one that you and I both reviewed glowingly that almost lost me all credibility with a lot of people that trusted me and had some real friends ready to kick me to the curb. So your points are well taken, some of it is often that different people connect or not at different levels, some is just a question of taste. Most of the guys that saw Kayla on my recommendation seemed to be OK with her, unlike the aforementioned one, but then even some didn't blast me out of deference or friendship.

As with Lyah who I know you didn't like last week, I had a really good time with her, she was in a decent place, was dressed nice and looking good, obviously the girl in the pics, although often times in person they don't live up to the glamor shots, but that is to be expected, I didn't see her again this trip so I have only the one experience to go on and may have had a different experience this time. But I see where you are coming from and will think about it should I decide to not retire.

[Ilapp]

Ok my friend we need to talk. That was an insane story. It really is time to write a book. This has always been my point with quality over quantity. I can understand the thrill of variety. There are confirmed good or great providers here. You would have been better off seeing Brin again. Or even bowing to Abby. That's for Obama.

We are a small community but valuable. I may need to have an intervention to stop you from dumpster diving. Maybe I need to try Ashley Mad. That has to be safe right?

Stay strong big guy.

Just kidding buddy, well kind of, but apparently it was you that kept me from following your own advice, at least on one front, causing me to overstep due to lack of blood in my brain. LOL Seriously thanks, but I am fine, I think retirement will do me well.

[TryinAgain2]

., maybe I am one of those asses after all.

This is probably way out of line, and I may be shooting myself in the foot for saying it, but man, what gives?

Illap, you got screwed over, messed with, lied to, bait & switched, and all by a woman you had no previous loyalty to, and another you were over kind in reviewing in the past (not to mention now). What gives, man? If you can't be honest with your assessments on here, and tell it like it is, polite or not, then what good are your reviews? I know my bluntness has not been appreciated much on here from some in the past, so I'm certain that I'm "one of those asses", but after reading that entire post of you tripping all over yourself to avoid stating something negative about a couple of women that went out of their way to rip you off not once, but now twice, I'm not so sure you aren't at risk of screwing over the worthy women you truly love, that deserve great reviews from you, because you are proving yourself incapable of telling the honest, brutal truth when things don't go well or go truly wrong. The bad HAS to come out with the good, or all of the good reports are suspect.

And that would be a shame, because on your recommendation in the past I've met a couple of my ATF's. On your recommendation, though, I've also found myself wasting time a couple of times now, and I'm starting to feel like that would have been avoided had you been more forthcoming with relevant intel. Specifically, I very nearly wasted more with Kayla myself, because I've seriously considered seeing her lately, based on your past review which was, by my recollection, glowing and firmly positive and positively lacking in any negatives and the relevant story of how you met. I even asked and speculated and still didn't get the story. I know what I like, what I'm willing to forgive, endure, and so forth, and when I look at reviews, I'm looking for those things that stand out positively and negatively to balance into someone I'm willing to spend my time and donation to see. But after this latest post, and some things in retrospect, I feel like you hold out far too much information in the name of "protecting" the reputation of some of these women that don't, imo, deserve your effort.

Obviously, what you report, review and disclose is completely your choice. It's hardly my place to advice or suggest how you handle yourself, so for overstepping my bounds, I apologize in advance. But it's in my nature to speak brutally honest to those I respect because of that respect and assumption that they can handle it. As you said, you're "a big boy", and I'd just like you know how I'm reading this whole scenario.

TA2

[West Central]

First, I am really pissed, I know a couple of you knew that today earlier already but this is different.

The whole time I was reading this Chapter 44 story, one thought was foremost in my mind: Your recommendation carries a lot of weight, here and in other circles. These girls will likely rue the day they made you a target of their game (and I firmly believe that's what they did; not a scam per se, as service was provided, but shenanigans were afoot nonetheless.) They may never fully realize their error, because the clients may continue to come, but what they'll lose is a more-likely-to-repeat, higher-end clientele who values your opinion.