Streetwalker Reports

**Mightykor** · 08-23-11 13:59

Originally Posted by Jmswozniak [View Original Post]

Not sure if I should dignify your remarks with an answer. I simply posted my observations. Take them for whatever they are worth, or not.

BTW. Please tell me where on Broadway you have seen the dome camera mounts you provided a link for. BTW I work in communications business so I have done some design work in this area. Additionally they would have to have connectivity back to their center. In many cities they use wireless PtP links to achieve this. I doubt very much the City of Camden has fiber running down its streets it has access to. Without connectivity cameras are useless.

Why not just shoot the camera lense with a paintball gun?

Use a dark color paintball, hit it a few times and problem solved.

Then to see if these cameras are actually monitored check the camera from time to time to see if they actually maintain it and how long it takes them to do it.

**Jmswozniak** · 08-08-11 01:06

Originally Posted by Ignacus [View Original Post]

They use WAN. From the specs, as far as I read, each unit has storage capabilities and can be remote accessed by patrol cars as well as the central monitoring station. There are no fiber or wire connections. It would appear that multiple cameras are set up in nodes. Each node is fed to the central monitoring station or the mobile command center. Check out the MLK side of the food court at B'way and MLK, B'way and Royden. 7th and Royden and Benson and B'way. There is also one mounted on the roof of the Rand. Those are "cameras" whether you care to believe it or not. Your "stop light" control thesis is nothing more than nonsense. You've got how many posts on here? 4?

What does the number of posts I have on the board have anything to do with cameras on broadway? Stick to the topic and stop taking shots.

The network could be a mesh. I highly doubt they are storing the video on the camera. All video is being fed back to a central server of some sort for storage and access. The cops will access the camera via the network connection. Likely an EVDO connection trough a cell phone carrier. They could be using a cell phone connection to backhaul the video to the server however this becomes very expensive quickly. Every other city video implementation I have seen to date uses PtP technology to backhaul. Then again the city of Camden could have more fiber then one might think.

I have observed the camera on Broadway and Roydon (?). That may be Camden City, or it could also be COOPER Hospital. I am also aware of the one at MLK and BWAY. If you listen to Camden City Police Radio traffic this one is very obvious. I will have to take a closer look for the others.

BTW. Google stop light sensors. They do exist and at one time private citizens could buy a device that would allow you to change the light from Red to Green. It shoots a wireless signal to a sensor typically mounted at the intersection. My "Thesis" isn't nonsense. The Technology exists.

If the devices on the light cross arm is a camera it has an extremely narrow horizontal field of view.

Not saying they are not there, but based on observation and listening to police radio traffic they don't overly concern me.

Good Luck

**Ignacus** · 08-04-11 01:19

Originally Posted by Jmswozniak [View Original Post]

The spec relies on PtP Mesh, which is not on Broadway. When it does come it will be very easy to spot. PtP Mesh requires clear Line of Site. You will see 24 inch panel antennas pointed up and down broadway. One at each camera.

They use WAN. From the specs, as far as I read, each unit has storage capabilities and can be remote accessed by patrol cars as well as the central monitoring station. There are no fiber or wire connections. It would appear that multiple cameras are set up in nodes. Each node is fed to the central monitoring station or the mobile command center. Check out the MLK side of the food court at B'way and MLK, B'way and Royden. 7th and Royden and Benson and B'way. There is also one mounted on the roof of the Rand. Those are "cameras" whether you care to believe it or not. Your "stop light" control thesis is nothing more than nonsense. You've got how many posts on here? 4?

**Jmswozniak** · 08-03-11 01:51

Originally Posted by Ignacus [View Original Post]

Let's see, an inverted domed device with a vertical slit is for triggering the stop lights on Broadway. There is one at Royden and one at Benson and another diagonal from the Rand (which can't see up Broadway). There is also one at 7th and Royden, but wait, there isn't a stop light at 7th and Royden. Probably just forward thinking on LEO's part just in case the add a stop light there at some point. Then again, there aren't any of these stop light "sensors" at any of the other stop lights on Broadway, gee.

Oh, Looky:

http://www.mts-iss.com/guestfiles/Ca...ation_rev1.doc

And Here:

http://www.skywaysecurity.com/auto-t...ptz-camera.cfm

You can overcome ignorance, but you can't fix stupid.

The spec relies on PtP Mesh, which is not on Broadway. When it does come it will be very easy to spot. PtP Mesh requires clear Line of Site. You will see 24 inch panel antennas pointed up and down broadway. One at each camera.

**Jmswozniak** · 08-03-11 01:48

Originally Posted by Carlos Minor [View Original Post]

OMG! That's the same shit I Do! Lmao! I don't mind If I when I get there, I pass by a girl that I like, cause I know, that I she is legit, sooner or later I 'll find her in path again.

I do the same. I watch some idiots clearly picking up on Broadway and scratch my head in bewilderment.

**Jmswozniak** · 08-03-11 01:45

Originally Posted by Ignacus [View Original Post]

Let's see, an inverted domed device with a vertical slit is for triggering the stop lights on Broadway. There is one at Royden and one at Benson and another diagonal from the Rand (which can't see up Broadway). There is also one at 7th and Royden, but wait, there isn't a stop light at 7th and Royden. Probably just forward thinking on LEO's part just in case the add a stop light there at some point. Then again, there aren't any of these stop light "sensors" at any of the other stop lights on Broadway, gee.

Oh, Looky:

http://www.mts-iss.com/guestfiles/Ca...ation_rev1.doc

And Here:

http://www.skywaysecurity.com/auto-t...ptz-camera.cfm

You can overcome ignorance, but you can't fix stupid.

Not sure if I should dignify your remarks with an answer. I simply posted my observations. Take them for whatever they are worth, or not.

BTW. Please tell me where on Broadway you have seen the dome camera mounts you provided a link for. BTW I work in communications business so I have done some design work in this area. Additionally they would have to have connectivity back to their center. In many cities they use wireless PtP links to achieve this. I doubt very much the City of Camden has fiber running down its streets it has access to. Without connectivity cameras are useless.

**Carlos Minor** · 08-02-11 21:24

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Thanks JR Long, there is a lot of information in your post to ponder.

Probably because of my visibility, I am the most careful of mongers. If I wanted to be more careful I'the have to stay home. For example! When I cross the bridge, I make one trip the full length of the stroll. I never ever make a pickup during that first trip. My first trip is a recon trip. I'm looking for LE, SWers, other mongers, anything out of the ordinary, signs of trouble, detours, change in traffic patterns, new construction, and most important I'm trying to get a feel for area. On that first trip I am trying to get oriented, comfortable, at ease with what I see and what I am doing. Then I do a turn around and a second trip. On my second trip I am looking for SWers and LE. I am checking to see if LE has moved or change their position, are they observing a specific area, are they patrolling? I am interested in seeing if the SWers are worried about LE, are they walking away or just standing around. If trip number one and two don't spook me, I make another shorter third loop around – concentrating on the area where I saw the most girls and no LE. The third loop is shorter and mostly a recon of the side streets. My fourth loop is a search for a specify girl that I hopefully saw during one of my earlier passes. Depending on the relationship of my target, LE, street traffic, our position corresponding to a good safe pick-up area, I will decide on one of five possible pick-up tactics I use. If I miss the pick-up, I begin my search for another target, starting with another loop around and a check for LE. I will abort or abandon the operation if at any time I sense an uncomfortable or dangerous condition. That's a stripped down description of some of what I do. I've left out some details. The interval between loops vary and I try to incorporate a little imagination into the small details.

IMHO one pass is not nearly enough to make a safe pickup. I cannot imagine doing a pickup without doing at least one recon loop around (two passes) , checking for LE stakeouts. Safety first.

I read both articles. Isn't this what you'the expect the Chief of police to say about a new pet project? Did anyone notice that he did not bother to specify how many of the 65 arrest were felonies and how many were misdemeanors? He also failed to mention how many of the arrest ended or will likely end as convictions.

CookyJar

OMG! That's the same shit I Do! Lmao! I don't mind If I when I get there, I pass by a girl that I like, cause I know, that I she is legit, sooner or later I 'll find her in path again.

**Lemmesee** · 08-02-11 21:17

Originally Posted by CookyJar [View Original Post]

Thanks JR Long, there is a lot of information in your post to ponder.

Probably because of my visibility, I am the most careful of mongers. If I wanted to be more careful I'the have to stay home. For example! When I cross the bridge, I make one trip the full length of the stroll. I never ever make a pickup during that first trip. My first trip is a recon trip. I'm looking for LE, SWers, other mongers, anything out of the ordinary, signs of trouble, detours, change in traffic patterns, new construction, and most important I'm trying to get a feel for area. On that first trip I am trying to get oriented, comfortable, at ease with what I see and what I am doing. Then I do a turn around and a second trip. On my second trip I am looking for SWers and LE. I am checking to see if LE has moved or change their position, are they observing a specific area, are they patrolling? I am interested in seeing if the SWers are worried about LE, are they walking away or just standing around. If trip number one and two don't spook me, I make another shorter third loop around – concentrating on the area where I saw the most girls and no LE. The third loop is shorter and mostly a recon of the side streets. My fourth loop is a search for a specify girl that I hopefully saw during one of my earlier passes. Depending on the relationship of my target, LE, street traffic, our position corresponding to a good safe pick-up area, I will decide on one of five possible pick-up tactics I use. If I miss the pick-up, I begin my search for another target, starting with another loop around and a check for LE. I will abort or abandon the operation if at any time I sense an uncomfortable or dangerous condition. That's a stripped down description of some of what I do. I've left out some details. The interval between loops vary and I try to incorporate a little imagination into the small details.

IMHO one pass is not nearly enough to make a safe pickup. I cannot imagine doing a pickup without doing at least one recon loop around (two passes) , checking for LE stakeouts. Safety first.

I read both articles. Isn't this what you'the expect the Chief of police to say about a new pet project? Did anyone notice that he did not bother to specify how many of the 65 arrest were felonies and how many were misdemeanors? He also failed to mention how many of the arrest ended or will likely end as convictions.

CookyJar

Man, that's more like a meeting between a Mossad agent and CIA spy! That careful planning and execution is beyond the means of a monger with only 30-45 min to spare, it must pay off, no doubt.

**Forth Ryte** · 08-02-11 20:31

I ran the Broadaway stroll looking for cameras. It seemed to me that the cameras were only at traffic intersections and NOT on those parts of the stroll where LE would be looking for street activity not related to traffic violations. I could be wrong here, but thats my humble opinion.

- Forth Ryte

**Trashed201** · 08-01-11 03:18

Met Ceejay near Pine early this A. M. 24 yrs. Old, light brown hair fairly long, great body, perfect tits, pretty face, nice personality, talkative but not overbearing. No rush service, above average skills, no up selling, happy with average rates plus decent tip. No digits. She's pixie cute, about 5'3, almost a spinner.

**CookyJar** · 07-30-11 18:45

Originally Posted by JR Long [View Original Post]

My only point is that everyone be very careful.

Thanks JR Long, there is a lot of information in your post to ponder.

Probably because of my visibility, I am the most careful of mongers. If I wanted to be more careful I’d have to stay home. For example! When I cross the bridge, I make one trip the full length of the stroll. I never ever make a pickup during that first trip. My first trip is a recon trip. I’m looking for LE, SWers, other mongers, anything out of the ordinary, signs of trouble, detours, change in traffic patterns, new construction, and most important I’m trying to get a feel for area. On that first trip I am trying to get oriented, comfortable, at ease with what I see and what I am doing. Then I do a turn around and a second trip. On my second trip I am looking for SWers and LE. I am checking to see if LE has moved or change their position, are they observing a specific area, are they patrolling? I am interested in seeing if the SWers are worried about LE, are they walking away or just standing around. If trip number one and two don’t spook me, I make another shorter third loop around – concentrating on the area where I saw the most girls and no LE. The third loop is shorter and mostly a recon of the side streets. My fourth loop is a search for a specify girl that I hopefully saw during one of my earlier passes. Depending on the relationship of my target, LE, street traffic, our position corresponding to a good safe pick-up area, I will decide on one of five possible pick-up tactics I use. If I miss the pick-up, I begin my search for another target, starting with another loop around and a check for LE. I will abort or abandon the operation if at any time I sense an uncomfortable or dangerous condition. That’s a stripped down description of some of what I do. I’ve left out some details. The interval between loops vary and I try to incorporate a little imagination into the small details.

IMHO one pass is not nearly enough to make a safe pickup. I cannot imagine doing a pickup without doing at least one recon loop around (two passes), checking for LE stakeouts. Safety first.

Originally Posted by South Jersey Sunne.WS

Thomson said he believes the system is already working, with more than 65 arrests attributed to the images produced from the cameras. http://sj.sunne.ws/2011/06/15/camden...-casinos-with-

I read both articles. Isn’t this what you’d expect the Chief of police to say about a new pet project? Did anyone notice that he did not bother to specify how many of the 65 arrest were felonies and how many were misdemeanors? He also failed to mention how many of the arrest ended or will likely end as convictions.

CookyJar

**JR Long** · 07-30-11 12:12

Here's a picture of an actual camera in Camden from one of the newspaper articles

**JR Long** · 07-30-11 12:07

My only point is that everyone be very careful. In the past I use to drive up an down Broadway several times but not I only make one pass. I am also very careful about making the pickup. Being from the burbs I know that I stick out in Camden and I don't have a legitimate reason for cruising up and down Broadway and can be ticketing for loitering.

1. http://www.camdencounty.com/county-n...letion-eye-sky

Once the 'Eye in the Sky' program became operational, the Police Department has been able to utilize the technology to make various arrests.

Police officers are now able to view and control cameras from computers in their cars as well as at police headquarters. Acting as an extra set of eyes, the cameras are expected to help in the overall effort to reduce crime.

2. Eye in the sky: Camden cameras aid crime fight.

By GEORGE MAST • Courier-Post Staff • June 15, 2011

The command center. Soon relocating to a larger room. Is the heartbeat of a high-tech brand of policing for a department that perennially struggled with outdated equipment and broken-down vehicles.

"We're working smarter," Camden Police Chief Scott Thomson said as he overlooked a half-dozen officers monitoring the command center screens.

Along with the video feeds of the more than 50 surveillance cameras throughout the city, the command center is also linked to a gunshot detection system that immediately pinpoints the locations of gunfire throughout the city. There also is a live digital mapping grid of every city patrol car's location.

More cameras are still being installed throughout the city as part of the much-anticipated Eye in the Sky surveillance system. Eighty-one cameras are planned.

"The goal was to get a strategic crime-fighting tool," Thomson said.

Now finally coming to fruition, the plans for a network of cameras that police will use to monitor the city from headquarters or their patrol cars began nearly a decade ago, and have outlasted multiple leaders at the Camden Police Department.

3. http://sj.sunne.ws/2011/06/15/camden...-casinos-with-%E2%80%9Ceye-in-the-sky%E2%80%9D-surveillance-system/

Camden police taking a nod from Atlantic City casinos with 'Eye in the Sky' surveillance system.

June 15, 2011 10:42 am

The Eye in the Sky is watching you in Camden.

Camden's police department is becoming more tech savvy to help it fight crime in one of the nation's most notoriously criminal cities. With the aid of surveillance cameras installed throughout the city, officers are able to monitor criminal activity, run license plates and immediately pinpoint the location of gunfire, according to a Courier-Post report. The technology is called 'Eye in the Sky, ' reminding us of the Atlantic City casinos' security systems.

'We're working smarter, ' Camden Police Chief Scott Thomson said.

More and more cameras are planned throughout Camden. 81 in total. Thomson said he believes the system is already working, with more than 65 arrests attributed to the images produced from the cameras. The intent of the system, though, is to prevent or deter crimes before they ever happen.

The Camden Police Department gets a rousing thumbs up from us. It's great to see them being able to utilize today's latest technology to keep everyone safe. As they are forced to do more with less (officers, that is) , it's great to see they have a legit tool to help them along.

**Ignacus** · 07-30-11 12:01

Let's see, an inverted domed device with a vertical slit is for triggering the stop lights on Broadway. There is one at Royden and one at Benson and another diagonal from the Rand (which can't see up Broadway). There is also one at 7th and Royden, but wait, there isn't a stop light at 7th and Royden. Probably just forward thinking on LEO's part just in case the add a stop light there at some point. Then again, there aren't any of these stop light "sensors" at any of the other stop lights on Broadway, gee.

Oh, Looky: http://www.mts-iss.com/guestfiles/Ca...ation_rev1.doc

And Here: http://www.skywaysecurity.com/auto-t...ptz-camera.cfm

You can overcome ignorance, but you can't fix stupid.

Originally Posted by Jmswozniak [View Original Post]

I have been down and looking for these "cameras" I have yet to see any on Broadway. I have seen devices mounted at intersections that look like they might be cameras. These have very narrow slits in them so I think they may be the emergency sensors that turn the lights red when fire rolls.

I will keep looking, but haven't spotted the cameras. They must have them very well concealed.

Safe Mongering

**Jmswozniak** · 07-29-11 15:28

Originally Posted by JR Long [View Original Post]

Since the cameras, to be safe I will only cruise down Broadway once whereas I use to cruise up and down Broadway repeatedly in the past. On my pass down Broadway, I noticed that most of the girls were on Broadway down near Broadway and Kaighn further away from the cameras. I saw Missy (looking very skinny) , Dana and Alisha (wearing fake blue contact lens) but I passed on all of them. Slim pickings so I decided to head into philly.

I have been down and looking for these "cameras" I have yet to see any on Broadway. I have seen devices mounted at intersections that look like they might be cameras. These have very narrow slits in them so I think they may be the emergency sensors that turn the lights red when fire rolls.

Anyway even if they are cameras they are not being used extensively. You can listen to Camden City Police Dispatchers online. You can even listen to them on your blackberry or phone if you have a data plan. Granted they are using other forms of comms to communicate. Most what I have heard is someone at dispatch watching the cameras and will call an officer to tell someone holding up a pole to move on.

I will keep looking, but haven't spotted the cameras. They must have them very well concealed.

Safe Mongering