"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Coolhand2]

I'm also impressed that so many of you score with the younger sbs. I've been with one mid 20s sb and the reward never came close to the effort and $cost. As I've said before, I've had success with the early 40's milfs who maybe don't get it nearly as often as they would like. Two of the best fucks of my life have been these types, including the present sb. I don't know if they think the hormonal clock is ticking or what, but some have been wilder than anything I've ever experienced, including numerous escorts. They seem to appreciate you more and won't attempt to break the bank either.

I've seen CSB8 (41 yr old nurse MILF) three times. Each time she seems to let go more and more. Now she's getting down right freaky (in a good way.) It's like in this situation, now that she knows I'm not a serial killer, she's given herself permission to let it all hang out. Today it was like she was having one continuous O that sometimes subsided but never ended. I could have rung her cum out of the sheets. It was great. She's been appreciative of the sugar and has not asked for more or for any in between our visits. She has been absoutely drama free. For now, she has priority in my two girl rotation.

[Literal2]

I have to admit I'm impressed with the talents of the mongers on this board.

I've never had any luck with out of town sbs while I've been traveling. I've tried a few time but never seemed to get a good hit, maybe I'm just going to the wrong places.

I'm also impressed that so many of you score with the younger sbs. I've been with one mid 20s sb and the reward never came close to the effort and $cost.

Rat, it's a lot like fishing. You have to have a line in the water to catch something. If you focus on younger babes, you will score with younger babes, but you have to persist and be patient. You already know the tech, so its just a matter of the odds, inmo.

As I've said before, I've had success with the early 40's milfs who maybe don't get it nearly as often as they would like. Two of the best fucks of my life have been these types, including the present sb. I don't know if they think the hormonal clock is ticking or what, but some have been wilder than anything I've ever experienced, including numerous escorts. They seem to appreciate you more and won't attempt to break the bank either.

There's no question the older girls have more skills. Most of the sbs I've been with are in their 20's. The few older ones have been much more clingy and sugar-conscious. Just my experience. You are getting great results with milfs, no need to switch.

Lots of places these days to get pussy, but for me the sb route is the way to go, and I've just about tried them all. As we all know, that may change with my next trip to a strip club, but if it happens, it happens.

Enjoy all and keep the reports coming!

Amen, brother. Amen.

[Magic Rat]

I have to admit I'm impressed with the talents of the mongers on this board.

I've never had any luck with out of town sbs while I've been traveling. I've tried a few time but never seemed to get a good hit, maybe I'm just going to the wrong places.

I'm also impressed that so many of you score with the younger sbs. I've been with one mid 20s sb and the reward never came close to the effort and $cost. As I've said before, I've had success with the early 40's milfs who maybe don't get it nearly as often as they would like. Two of the best fucks of my life have been these types, including the present sb. I don't know if they think the hormonal clock is ticking or what, but some have been wilder than anything I've ever experienced, including numerous escorts. They seem to appreciate you more and won't attempt to break the bank either.

Lots of places these days to get pussy, but for me the sb route is the way to go, and I've just about tried them all. As we all know, that may change with my next trip to a strip club, but if it happens, it happens.

Enjoy all and keep the reports coming!

[Literal2]

I've read back a dozen pages and first off I'd like to say this thread should have its own main topic and not hidden in the Richmond section.

I've had all the same experiences, first evolving from stripper dates to working a SD website. While I still frequent the strip clubs it can cost more to get the confidence of a stripper than I'd does for the actual act and so many of them suffer from the "golden pussy syndrome". I've learned to never pay in advance, had one stripper / SB who was always having car problems and while she promised me to make it up never really came through as I had hoped. I've seen it as a continuing problem with strippers that the expectation on their part seems to go up over time. Had a Brazilian that I was banging for 5 years on and off that started as a freebie, the last time I talked to her she demanded $500 for our usual overnight that had normally run me between $200-300. Big hard feelings arose on her part and it sent me looking for a new regular.

On the SB front I've been on and off SDForme for a couple years. Found it to be great when looking to score while on the road. My "hit ratio" of meets to bedroom has to be almost 90. When I'm traveling I'll send out a bunch of contacts and work them down to a couple good candidates. Some last minute juggling and before you know it Hello, Las Vegas and non pro GFE dates every night while I'm in town.

I've had god luck locally as well. My recent regular just moved back to CA from NYC but for 6 months I was able to enjoy some of the best GFE / PSE I could ever imagine for $300 a night. She would show up at my hotel room packed for overnight and we'd screw until I dropped and again in the morning before I had to leave for business. Very hot 23yo aspiring actress / phone sex operator. She really new how to verbalize and was perhaps the best lay I've ever had.

I'm totally hooked on the SB thing. It's not cheap but when you get a hot 23YO dressed as a school girl waitng in your hotel rom ready for a night of passionate sex and as many pops as you can muster its a great value in my book.

Hobby, your post is enough to make a monger say a prayer. You are obviously a True Believer and you practice our theology. Welcome to our church.

[MyHobby]

I've read back a dozen pages and first off I'd like to say this thread should have its own main topic and not hidden in the Richmond section.

I've had all the same experiences, first evolving from stripper dates to working a SD website. While I still frequent the strip clubs it can cost more to get the confidence of a stripper than I'd does for the actual act and so many of them suffer from the "golden pussy syndrome". I've learned to never pay in advance, had one stripper / SB who was always having car problems and while she promised me to make it up never really came through as I had hoped. I've seen it as a continuing problem with strippers that the expectation on their part seems to go up over time. Had a Brazilian that I was banging for 5 years on and off that started as a freebie, the last time I talked to her she demanded $500 for our usual overnight that had normally run me between $200-300. Big hard feelings arose on her part and it sent me looking for a new regular.

On the SB front I've been on and off SDForme for a couple years. Found it to be great when looking to score while on the road. My "hit ratio" of meets to bedroom has to be almost 90. When I'm traveling I'll send out a bunch of contacts and work them down to a couple good candidates. Some last minute juggling and before you know it Hello, Las Vegas and non pro GFE dates every night while I'm in town.

I've had god luck locally as well. My recent regular just moved back to CA from NYC but for 6 months I was able to enjoy some of the best GFE / PSE I could ever imagine for $300 a night. She would show up at my hotel room packed for overnight and we'd screw until I dropped and again in the morning before I had to leave for business. Very hot 23yo aspiring actress / phone sex operator. She really new how to verbalize and was perhaps the best lay I've ever had.

I'm totally hooked on the SB thing. It's not cheap but when you get a hot 23YO dressed as a school girl waitng in your hotel rom ready for a night of passionate sex and as many pops as you can muster its a great value in my book.

[Literal2]

But your SO wouldn't be suspicious when a second phone starts ringing? So you leave it off and hide it and pray she never finds it.

That's why the Google Voice controls are so great. You can set up individual instructions for every possible incoming call. So someone who would be suspicious goes straight to voicemail (and it will even e-mail you a transcript of the voicemail so you don't have to call in to check it). It shows up as voicemail from an ordinary phone number, which you can even enter in as a contact and name it something unsuspicious like "Office. Shipping Department". The only people who you let ring through are ones you know, or trust to be cool if the wife answers.

The biggest concern a lot of guys have with Google is that it is pretty clear that Google will be archiving the call logs. I might be worried about that if I was dealing with large agencies which might be the target of federal stings. But for calls to independent girls or SBs, I don't care what Google does. That data isn't going to be public or found by a SO.

Here's the earlier post by Questor who provides details about how the GV service works. If anyone has used it for a while to assist in mongering, it would be great to hear about it.

[Richmond Fotog]

Google Voice also supports SMS. You can also have missed calls, txt messages and voicemail messages emailed to your GMail account.

INumbr sounds good until you see the lack of features and costs. You also have to use a credit card. You could do better than that with a burner phone.

http://inumbr.com/features

There's also a subscription service at inumbr dot com that gives you a new number for callers to dial and forwards their calls to another number you specify.

[Literal2]

By the way, Nando, I believe Golfcart first identified this syndrome on this thread. It explains a good deal of undesirable sb behavior.

[Literal2]

These last few posts about disposable cell phone numbers are useful. Fotog's description of Google Voice, which a monger described in detail on this thread earlier, sounds promising. There's also a subscription service at inumbr dot com that gives you a new number for callers to dial and forwards their calls to another number you specify.

I've been using a second phone and secret number for mongering but it has the security risk Bunker describes. I need to learn more about other options. A cheap unlocked gsm phone with a sim card that can be switched out for a new number when desired sounds like the place to start for me.

I like the ceremonial destruction of Snake's cell phone when his relationship disintegrated though. Like a funeral, it provided closure.

[Richmond Fotog]

Google Voice with all of its features remains free. If you set it up correctly and learn it properly you'll find out you'll like it. You can also turn off the forwarding easily and there is a do-not-disturb feature. Don't like who is calling you? Click the "Block This Number" feature. If you set it up properly, no one knows your real number.

If you prefer to buy a separate phone, why trash the old one? Providers like TMobile and Boost are GSM. I think AT&T is another one. You can change the SIM card for $10 or less and get a new number. There are ways to get a new number without trashing the phone. Most monthly prepaid plans will change the number without having to buy a new phone or lose your lose your time on the phone.

I've been urging people for years to do what you do. Buy a cheap phone (7-11, CVS, Best Buy, etc) , charge it up with cards purchased with cash, and every so often, take out the battery, smash the phone and discard it, then start over with a new phone and number.

[Bunker Buster]

I used to have one of those cheap, anonymous phones you can buy in a shop for $15 and then pay for the few minutes you need to meet girls. After my last SB made me miserable I threw the phone in the river. Since I refuse to use my regular cell phone to make contact, this effectively cut off the activity.

So I have thrown away the phone in a ceremonial visit to the river.

I've been urging people for years to do what you do. Buy a cheap phone (7-11, CVS, Best Buy, etc) , charge it up with cards purchased with cash, and every so often, take out the battery, smash the phone and discard it, then start over with a new phone and number.

Guys who make arrangements on personal and even company cell phones are asking for serious marital, employment and legal problems. One blunder, and everything is exposed. If a divorce lawyer pulls phone records and finds hundreds of calls to other women, pros, SBs, whatever, kiss everything goodbye.

[Golfcart]

(edit delete)My last SB was one of the most desirable women I've ever been with, from several points of view. But it was very much a "usage" relationship: I used her and she used me. Her attitude was like "you can have me but you can't really have me". And she never wanted to know my name or anything about me, ostensibly for my protection, but presumably to ensure a good exit strategy for her as well. So when a better deal came along (single guy with resources offering marriage) she was gone, which of course makes sense. In some respects it was a bit insulting, but obviously as a married man I could not expect anything better. I had only myself to blame for putting myself in that position. So I have thrown away the phone in a ceremonial visit to the river.

She was smart in the way she handled the relationship. And about her future, I think everyone would want that for her.

Snake, you are better for having met her.

[Snake27]

I used to have one of those cheap, anonymous phones you can buy in a shop for $15 and then pay for the few minutes you need to meet girls. After my last SB made me miserable I threw the phone in the river. Since I refuse to use my regular cell phone to make contact, this effectively cut off the activity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not moralizing or criticizing. Two of my 3 SB experiences have been very positive and ended well. After knowing a bit about SBs I have very little interest in other forms of prostitution. They just don't compare. The memory of SBs has helped steered me clear from danger or from wasting money.

My last SB was one of the most desirable women I've ever been with, from several points of view. But it was very much a "usage" relationship: I used her and she used me. Her attitude was like "you can have me but you can't really have me". And she never wanted to know my name or anything about me, ostensibly for my protection, but presumably to ensure a good exit strategy for her as well. So when a better deal came along (single guy with resources offering marriage) she was gone, which of course makes sense. In some respects it was a bit insulting, but obviously as a married man I could not expect anything better. I had only myself to blame for putting myself in that position. So I have thrown away the phone in a ceremonial visit to the river.

[Literal2]

Lit, I'm sure there are a lot of other advantages and disadvantages that folks will add, but I'll toss the first one that come to my mind: scheduling is often difficult with SBs. We have to schedule around not only the other time consumers in our lives, but in hers as well. With a pro, her job is what we're seeking, so while there may still be minor scheduling issues, they tend to be far less than with a SB, especially for those of us with a warden we have to escape from (I'm sooooo glad that ain't me!) The flip side is that, for the pros that travel, the scheduling becomes all-or-nothing based on whether or not she's in town.

I think I've been lucky with SB's because I haven't had real scheduling issues as in a lot of no-shows or last minute changes. I realize others have. A lot of sb's are only available outside of regular working hours, though, which is often a problem.

In my case, I have had a lot of scheduling problems with pros, maybe because I seldom see one more than once.

But you are right, CWL. Scheduling belongs on the list of disadvantages of SB's.

[Literal2]

I've been following this thread for awhile now. One of the more useful and interesting threads on the guide, and I contributed to it once awhile back.

One of the "disadvantages" (or risks, if you will) not listed by Literal2 is that you might become attached to her. This could happen if there is some chemistry and friendship. Of course, if there's a huge age difference or if you have a hard shell I guess it's not a big risk. I think I might be too wimpy for this approach.

Happened to me last year. *

Snake, you are right. It happens.

Actually, it reminds me some of hunting. A beginning hunter sometimes experiences remorse killing his first large animal. Once he gets used to it, the remorse isn't there.

SB's are very similar to normal girls. It's normal to feel romantic attachment for a girl if you are close to her. I think the tendency to feel this way reduces with multifucking, and also apparently (according to some mongers) if you become used to having long term relationships one after another.

My own case shows the beginner's attachment tendency, although my attachment wasn't with an sb, but rather a gorgeous, long-haired blonde 26 years old, voluptuous, illegal immigrant (I think) from Sweden in California nearly 10 years ago. She was a single mom without valid US I D living in a big house with two small kids. She'd started as a maid and married some jerk with bucks who dumped her. She'd tried stripping but couldn't make it pay, so she tried escorting. Not smart, but so beautiful and vulnerable. I had just started mongering and was hooked emotionally on the girl. What a clingy pest she became in just a few months. I learned my lesson.

In another weird case a 23-year old inexperienced agency escort, also beautiful, the daughter of a preacher, became close. She started to build fairy tales in her mind. I had lied about not being attached. She decided she wanted to get married. When she found out I was attached, she phoned my SO to rat me out. My SO didn't believe her, probably because the girl was out of control on the phone. How did she get my number? She knew enough to research it (also, the agency knew who I was and may have helped her out). This too taught me a lesson: agency escorts are like other girls in more ways than you think. I never lie about not being attached, no matter who I'm with, and I avoid giving my true I D as much as possible.

With SB's attachment hasn't really been a problem for me. There have been a lot of them (based on my standards, not the standards of the high volume multifuckers) , and the closest I came was with SB4, she of the perfect ass (see previously posted pic), but then I did a little multifucking and along came SB18. I'm enjoying her but not getting attached, I don't think.

But you are right, Snake. Attachment risk is real when you start opening up SB pussy. It belongs on the list of disadvantages.