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  1. #5363

    NOVA is getting out of hand

    I think a boycott is in order. No FS, no visits.

  2. #5362

    NOVA is getting out of hand

    I've noticed the greed has risen inversely proportional to the options in DC. Coincidence? I think not. But quite annoying. I am thinking its time to start exploring other options.

  3. #5361

    Hate upsell?

    Go to Old Kim's, now Orient. I have never had an upsell there and in fact I have never had girl count the tip until I was gone. Ask for Mona she is the best.

  4. #5360

    4 seasons

    I drew Coco, said only 30min available (no cars in the parking lot) , oh well went with the flow. Shower and quick massage, I needed more back work. The flip and the up-selling, I gave my "don't talk money". More than standard was on the menu, I opted for the standard. I guess I'll try again but not with her.

  5. #5359

    Papaya

    Last night, I felt like a massage after having spent the evening near Tyson's. I had wanted to try Papaya again for a while as I haven't been there in over a year, so convenience convinced me to head over there. Didn't seem too busy when I got there. MMS collected the. 8 house fee and vanished. Provider walked in about a minute later. Very attractive lady. She said her name was Bonnie. Looked to be late 20's and very fit. Asked if I had been there before and if I wanted the shower. I answered yes to both, so off we went.

    TS was nice. Not that playful, but still got cleaned in all the relevant areas. Back to the room where she finished drying me off and then started on the massage. I like hard massages, and this one was medium to hard. Fairly relaxing, and she spent a lot of time working on my legs while sitting on top of me. She was wearing a short dress, so lots of skin on skin contact happened. Eventually, she moved on to the soft touch and had me flip over. That's when the annoying bit happened. She wanted to negotiate. After a few minutes of her trying to upsell me, we settled on. 4 for standard NoVA. Afterwards, she told me to bring more money for the tip next time, and ask for Bonnie.

    On one hand, I'd like to go back and see what else she'll do for a higher tip. On the other, I think I'll be happier going to one of my regular providers who have never tried to upsell me.

    Total for the trip was. 8.4. Cheers guys.

  6. #5358

    Mt

    I had heard good things about this place, and I decided to stop in. I stopped in late in the evening, and I think I was the only one there. I didn't catch the lady's name, but she appeared to be in her late 30's. She had a nice set of D's, which she knows how to use. I paid the house fee, .7, which I guess is only for 45 minutes, based on how long my session lasted.

    She started with a nice table shower, ensuring everything was squeaky clean. After helping to dry me off, we went back to the room and she began an average massage. During the massage, roaming was encouraged, there weren't many limitations. 20 minutes into the session, she wanted me to flip. I asked her to keep working out the knots in my back. So she did for another 10 minutes, and then I flipped. She wanted her tip in advance, and I was a bit surprised by that. She also quoted 1. 3, saying that was the going rate. I disagreed, and I showed her that I had funds to cover what I consider to be the standard rate. Much to my surprise, she grabbed at the funds. I guess she's had some trouble in the past, or it was a slow day. Anyway, we finally agreed on 1, and suffice it to say that things ended happily. For both of us.

  7. #5357
    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Buster  [View Original Post]
    Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?
    Not in the least. She knew damn well what she was doing. The. 2 at the end was basically me deciding that at the very least the massage had got me relaxed and destressed, even without the finish, and I'd rather throw something out there and get out with a lot of back and forth then have to feel that stress level go back up as the inevitable bickering starts.

    But no, I'm in no way thinking she didn't know exactly what she did, and due to that I'm likely not returning to the place. Not nearly naive enough to think that all wasn't all on purpose.

  8. #5356
    Quote Originally Posted by Needtorelax  [View Original Post]
    Visited the new spot in Sterling so will post up about that here in a moment, but figure I'd give a quick overview of my experiences over the past few years. Figure most of the info's old but figure better than nothing.

    Most recent before today that I've been to was Booja. By far my best experience. Saw a girl whose named started with an E. Probably in her 40's, decent on top, not bad for her age. First time there picked up quick on my preference regarding my backside. TS all three times by far the best I've had, pretty decent massage, and end was very good with extras on the 3rd visit (PM for details). Gave. 6 each time, as was definitely better than standard nova.

    Rumors true the place is shut down? Was hoping to visit again shortly?

    Been to a few others around. Far East a few years back and then again about 6 months back. First two times were my first at AMPs and probably didn't help the experience. When I went back some time ago was pretty enjoyable. Forget the name of the lady but was VERY nice up top, talkative but nice girl, who picked up again on what I liked.

    Was at Holiday a few times on lunch breaks. Got the MMS every time I think. Was very nice, a bit older but not a bad looker. She think realized pretty quick I'd been to a couple, gave me a joking scolding about only a. 4 tip each time and told me to bring more, but always with a hug and a laugh so was pretty sure she knew I wasn't going to for standard finish. Never seemed to cause a bad attitude by her towards me.

    Went to a few in Sterling. Did Green before it was closed. 4 hands. Complete rip off. The girls talked more than anything else and half the time one or the other was out of the room. Went to King a few times before it was busted but apparently was too inexperienced at that time to figure out the full menu.

    Went to Sun Spa in Sterling a few months back. Horrible experience. Poor massage, unenthusiastic finish, a shower that wasn't a table but an actual shower they just shove you in. Not good at all.
    For a newbie here, you posted some good intel. For other newbies that post here, please take second to read what this gentleman has done. You will be quite surprised that if you come into this forum or any others on USAG, that most members appreciate info freely given and will reciprocate most times.

    I havnt done many NOVA AMPs for this exact reason that Needtorelax has shared. I have not seem it as money well spent here at all but thats just my opinion. Granted alot of guys here can't go to Cali all the time to sample the product there or China for that matter.

    Anyhow, cudos to you and keep up the posting that have value.

    PC out

  9. #5355

    For a Legit Massage

    I agree. It is a bummer if you go expecting something up-lifting, and walk out with your buddy's head still hanging low. I have to agree with both of you, the table shower definitely sounded like a bait-and-switch, and a con job. Now all of us know, thank you.

    Unless you are at Massage Envy or a Shopping Center, $120 for a 90 minute legit massage is a typical price unless you're in Bangkok. I generally pay $70-80 / hour for a great massage, and $30 tip if they were excellent and went the whole hour. I tip high (same amount) at Massage Envy, if they are excellent. For 90 minutes, most places jump up a little less than 50% and my tip is $40. The tipping is totally your own judgement call, and depends if you plan to return.

    For an AMP Massage. I'm not going for a professional massage, but it is very nice if we have someone that knows what she is doing. With the table shower and entertainment at the end, my massages rarely last over 20-30 minutes, and they certainly are not covered!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker Buster  [View Original Post]
    Places like that deliberately don't finish a full massage within the time you asked for, and keep asking if you want more time, for more $ of course. They somehow always end up having done only one side, or they've only done one leg when the buzzer rings, but do you want more time?

    She honed that time technique in the curtained places in NY that use egg timers, and became a pro at not finishing on time, leaving customers hanging, to squeeze a little more time and money.

    A real professional would do everything in the proper time, or finish the advertised service (full-body, not just the back) without asking the customer for more money to do her job.

    She upsold you for 40, and you threw in another 20 to reward her for intentionally stretching out and even charging extra for a TS that was advertised as part of the deal (Grade opening promotion $60 / hour with massage, reflexology, facial, body scrubs).

    120 for a 90 minute massage. She knew you brought extra money in for something else, and separated it all from you in small increments, smiling, bowing and thanking you the whole time, right out the door with full balls and an empty wallet.

    Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?

  10. #5354

    That's a standard upsell in dollar places

    Quote Originally Posted by Needtorelax  [View Original Post]
    Went today to the new place off of 7 in Sterling, Dollar. Seems like its being Pseudo legit. Very similar to the feeling I got from Sun Spa, the other Sterling place. Was. 6 for the hour, so figured I'd give it a shot for the discount. Able was lady, wasn't too bad on the eyes, perhaps a bit older. I will give her this, EXCELLENT massage. One of the best I had got. Varied techniques, good pressure, excellent.

    Unfortunately, that's the only good thing I can say for it. Right off the bat said shower was at the end, not the start, and that made me think things were a bit weird. She tried to keep parts covered the entire time. The flip was almost at the hour point, and she asks me if I want another 30 minutes and she'd do for. 3. I'm figuring she went long on the massage. 30 for a bit more time on the front and then a nice lengthy finish would be worth it. Thought. 9 for hour and a half was pretty good.

    Well, front massage was good but again, completely keeping down below covered even as she goes up and down the legs. Then, without any finish, tells me time for shower and asks me if I want to do it alone or her wash. I say her and she says another. 1 for TS. I figure that's not too much, and maybe. Little hope here but doubted it. Finish would come in the shower. Thought that'd be an interesting change. No such luck, kept me covered again the entire time during the shower.

    Kept thanking me and asking me how I was the whole time, and I did tell her the massage was excellent and got MOST of the stress out. Not taking the hint though. Hand over the rest and she mentions tip, I give. 2 for the good massage (Would've given less but wasn't going to ask for change) and get out of there.

    Great massage, and I'd go back for just the hour at only. 6 with a small tip for just that. But not worth it if you're wanting standard nova.
    Places like that deliberately don't finish a full massage within the time you asked for, and keep asking if you want more time, for more $ of course. They somehow always end up having done only one side, or they've only done one leg when the buzzer rings, but do you want more time?

    She honed that time technique in the curtained places in NY that use egg timers, and became a pro at not finishing on time, leaving customers hanging, to squeeze a little more time and money.

    A real professional would do everything in the proper time, or finish the advertised service (full-body, not just the back) without asking the customer for more money to do her job.

    She upsold you for 40, and you threw in another 20 to reward her for intentionally stretching out and even charging extra for a TS that was advertised as part of the deal (Grade opening promotion $60 / hour with massage, reflexology, facial, body scrubs).

    120 for a 90 minute massage. She knew you brought extra money in for something else, and separated it all from you in small increments, smiling, bowing and thanking you the whole time, right out the door with full balls and an empty wallet.

    Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?

  11. #5353

    Spa Castle. Candy

    Visited Spa Castle a few days ago. Candy provided a nice, thorough table shower and one of the better therapeutic massages I have received in Korean establishments in the area; very firm and strong hands. For some people the massage may have been too hard but I liked it. Massage rooms are very clean and spacious, and they have larger than normal massage table. Candy used generous amount of clean towels to keep you comfortable during the massage. The finish was very good for NOVA standard; some ass play and roaming allowed but she did not undress. Great service overall but I did not find Candy very attractive, saw Bebe while on premises and she was much better looking.

  12. #5352

    Bad experience

    Went to old Kim's yesterday. They were busy and I didn't want to wait so I went to initial place around the corner. In middle of massage she asked,"how much you going to give me?" I had sixty since that is my normal tip at old Kim's. She stopped massage and had me get up from table and go get the money for her! Provider not in least bit attractive, poor massage and the interuption mean I will never, ever go there again! Old Kim's is an ATF and I should have waited!

  13. #5351

    Sara@ST

    I normally see a fave provider at ST earlier in the week but decided to try something new and drew Sara. I won't be long winded but I will say that the TS was great and everything else was standard nova but very well executed with a great technique. Point 8 and point 5.

    7. 5/7/8/9.

    Also not to alarm anyone but May's picture was taken off th wall and mamasan just smiled and said nothing when I asked about it. Perhaps it is temporary, or perhaps not. Hopefully can check early next week to find out.

  14. #5350

    Mwc

    Couple trips in the last few months. Good TS with attention to the right spots. Nice massage with back walk. Relaxed, non rushed. Standard NOVA finish. Will return and look for more!

  15. #5349

    Swan

    Waste of time, no extras whatsoever.

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