"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Biggers** · 05-13-11 10:51

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

I made an embarrassing mistake, but since we're on this forum to help each other out I will share. I had been emailing with a potential SB and we agreed to meet at the bar of a hotel. I got a room at the hotel, met her at the bar, had a couple of drinks and chatted more about what we were both seeking. Everything seemed great. We went to the room and began kissing and chatting some more. She asked about the sugar which I gave her. She got up to use the restroom and bolted. Rookie mistake that I should have known better.

Care to Out her so us fellow SD's don't make the same mistake with her. Or at least say what site you contacted her from and what city. We can probably figure it out from there.

**Spitfire** · 05-13-11 00:01

I made an embarrassing mistake, but since we're on this forum to help each other out I will share. I had been emailing with a potential SB and we agreed to meet at the bar of a hotel. I got a room at the hotel, met her at the bar, had a couple of drinks and chatted more about what we were both seeking. Everything seemed great. We went to the room and began kissing and chatting some more. She asked about the sugar which I gave her. She got up to use the restroom and bolted. Rookie mistake that I should have known better.

**Zman429** · 05-12-11 23:23

Anybody try BeNaughty?

**Literal2** · 05-12-11 17:52

Thank you to the mongers who have offered to assist me find utrs in exchange for some referrals to my sbs. At the moment I don't need assistance. But I appreciate the offer.

**Literal2** · 05-12-11 17:50

Mr Johnson is so close to fucking sb3 at last he is getting hard to control in public. Full penetration of this sexy little in heat female will finally take place within the next few days.

SB16 won't say anything about her friend coming along but confirms she wants to get fucked again next weekend.

SB17 wants lunch. I'll do it, but she needs a sd badly and I want to fuck the girl quickly so lunch will come with just a little sugar, enough I hope to get her to open her pussy before Tuesday.

SB18 confirms she will see me at my hotel this weekend. I have my doubts. Too young. Too easy. But she is a hottie.

SB11 has disappeared again. She may be a fake.

**Literal2** · 05-12-11 17:41

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

I changed my initial email that I sent to each candidate based on your tips. I soften it to make it less direct and added a portion that used words directly from her profile. I also starting sending follow up emails even if I did not get a initial response. I can report that I have increased my response rate and seems to be getting a better quality of response. Also some SB's that did not answer my initial email have answered my follow-up. Still can't say if it will help me close the deal but it has increased the pool of candidates which I'm hoping leads to more pussy.

There you go. I'm glad to hear this.

**Coolhand2** · 05-12-11 16:54

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Go through the set and find the girls you like best and contact them by email. Try to figure out what will appeal to them. It's ok to use a generic email but its best to add some words that show you have actually read the girl's profile. Send out a bunch of them at the same time so you don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Don't be afraid to follow up if you get no response at first.

Where your profile or "ad" comes in is that when the girls get your email they will look at it. It has to make them at least willing to communicate with you and not turn them off. How you do that is up to you but I've found shorter is better. Girls don't usually like direct talk about sex, body parts, etc. Inmo, at least not at first.

Most girls will ask for a photo in their first response if they have any interest after looking at your profile. I tried to avoid this but I eventually uploaded a couple of pix that I altered to make unrecognizable but which clearly show my age and general body type. The pix are in a private gallery that can only be accessed with a password.

When I give the girl a password I usually ask her a question that challenges her determination to enter into an sb / sd relationship. I find this makes her more likely to respond after looking at the photos.

I changed my initial email that I sent to each candidate based on your tips. I soften it to make it less direct and added a portion that used words directly from her profile. I also starting sending follow up emails even if I did not get a initial response. I can report that I have increased my response rate and seems to be getting a better quality of response. Also some SB's that did not answer my initial email have answered my follow-up. Still can't say if it will help me close the deal but it has increased the pool of candidates which I'm hoping leads to more pussy.

**Varoom** · 05-11-11 12:07

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

She says she wants to meet again. So I asked was she serious about bringing along her blond girlfriend. We'll see.

SB16 may have just needed the liquid courage for round 1. Hopefully this isn't a pattern for her.

I'd say her contacting you seems quite encouraging that she is serious about bringing along her blonde friend.

You lucky devil. Bang them hard and often, Lit. Will be awaiting the tantalizing report.

Cheers,

Varoom

**Literal2** · 05-11-11 12:03

She says she wants to meet again. So I asked was she serious about bringing along her blond girlfriend. We'll see.

**Literal2** · 05-10-11 19:12

One of this week's five newly contacted sbs (sb17) has agreed to meet at a hotel. She's a 30+ divorcee and her pic shows a killer body. We shall see. Maybe she'll disappear.

Meantime, sb11 has resurfaced. She has been fucking somebody else I think. She's a 23-year old college student, she says. She claims she now wants to meet. I said I'm too busy this week, how about next week? She's been back and forth with me for weeks.

As reported, sb3 is on deck.

I know a lot of you guys have your own successful systems and you are getting laid all you want. I post all this stuff for the other guys, the ones who have a hard time finding a non-pro to fuck. I used to be that way. I've posted how I do things and if any of you have tried what I suggested, or have developed a similar system on your own, I'd appreciate it if you let us all know if the system works for you too. This is a sex guide, after all. Thank you Jackson.

**Golfcart** · 05-10-11 13:56

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Last week I needed fresh pussy. I contacted eight new sbs, fucking two by the end of the week. I declined to fuck one who was willing but unattractive. This week I've contacted five new sbs. So far only two have responded and nothing much seems to be happening. I think I'm homing in on sb3's vagina though, which I've wanted to open up for my pleasure since she sent me a photo of it last year. Now she says she'll meet me at a hotel in a few days. We'll see. Damn. This girl is a cock tease.

Sounds like SB3 needed a little time to settle in and get used to the idea. We can't push on a string.

**Literal2** · 05-10-11 09:46

Last week I needed fresh pussy. I contacted eight new sbs, fucking two by the end of the week. I declined to fuck one who was willing but unattractive. This week I've contacted five new sbs. So far only two have responded and nothing much seems to be happening. I think I'm homing in on sb3's vagina though, which I've wanted to open up for my pleasure since she sent me a photo of it last year. Now she says she'll meet me at a hotel in a few days. We'll see. Damn. This girl is a cock tease.

**Literal2** · 05-08-11 10:57

I think the less said to the girl about this aspect the better. I don't usually talk amounts to sbs in advance. When I give her something, I want it to be enough so she feels good about it and will want to see me again but not so much as to look like I have money to throw around or encourage her to think I'm going to support her. It depends on the girl, but when deciding how much I think in terms of giving her more than she would get if she became a SW or low-end escort.

**Literal2** · 05-08-11 10:11

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

Lit my view has always been that, where men and women come together and sex is involved, it's all prostitution. The woman is bartering sex for something she wants, whether it be cash up front, an allowance,"commitment", a roof over her head and meals on the table, whatever. The only difference is what the woman convinces herself is "OK" or "moral" or within the boundaries of her self-respect.

I think this is true in many cases but sometimes you run into a girl, like my truck driver sb14 last week, who has been a long time without sex and just wants a man to caress and penetrate her and make her cum.

Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger - the woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer - the woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It - the woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable - the women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups - a Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. - but in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.

Interesting stuff. I never heard this before.

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and/or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.

Damn. I should have been a musician. Hundreds of women. Very impressive.

I've known women who learned young that being a SB can be a career, and who had the looks and talent to pull it off (at least until the looks go, as they always do.) I've known women that really had been slammed with financial issues beyond their ability to cope, and this was their only way out without turning full pro. But most of the women I've known doing this are doing it because they have a Hang-Up: they simply can't handle money. They make enough to live on at their regular job, but can't make a budget and stay within it. The excuses range all over, but the bottom line is they have champagne tastes on a beer budget and spend beyond their means. When a girl is always pushing for more money or contacts you between regular installments because something in her life has blown up and she needs extra, chances are she's one of this type. This type is usually more trouble than they're worth.

Yeah I think this is about right. Thanks.

**Literal2** · 05-08-11 10:03

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

I tend to think in terms of a scale. It's linear, so it really doesn't allow for nuances which we all know exist. On one end you have 'regular' girls and on the other end escorts. Perhaps something like this:

Regular-Easy-Sl*t-Gold Digger-Sugar Baby-Stripper-Escort.

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Some girls might be combinations of these, but it's a starting point.

We could combine this with CWL's four types and do some in depth research with as many attractive females as we can find.