"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 05-06-11 09:02

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

Lit:

Another angle that I have cultivated similar to SB's, are dancers. Not the avg ones but those that seem to have their act somewhat together. Void of chemcials, or at least any hardcore habits, that like to hook-up for private parties outside of the establishment. I know this is not the same thing but it functions as such for me. A little more personal contact than a typical escort (also cheaper) and an ongoing fuck if I want it. The crop of a few that I have cultivated here are early to mid 30's and fine in the specimen and performance dept. Just another angle that seems to be much easier than the legwork of finding the gals like Lit and the gang are doing.

I'm impressed by this. I love dancers but the four I've taken out have all cost me a huge amount of moola in the VIP before they agreed to meet at a hotel and three of them scared the hell out of me with their drive towards entanglements. One girl wanted a baby (and got one from another customer) , another wanted a father for her two kids and one was 19, gorgeous and hysterical with strong self-destructive urges. I think my approach to them was all wrong as it was borderline romantic. None was in Virginia. I'm not in the clubs much these days and I don't look for take-out when I am.

It sounds like you have a winning strategy for finding and fucking girls who are both cute and fit.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 23:13

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

. . . . , it is not "Escorts."

Excuse me, but the present discussion of how to get the girl to the hotel and in bed earlier and how to avoid being outbid Is best achieved by seeing an internet escort in the first place. So why is this approach even being considered with a civie? It won't work except with a girl in serious distress. We shouldn't want a girl in distress because we are taking advantage and we will be resented. Nothing good will come from that.

Rather, we should find a girl and meet her for coffee under circumstances where moving things to an unplanned dinner is possible. If things go well at coffee move it to dinner. Put something meaningful In her purse at dinner without saying a word, without looking at her. Let her make the next move and the clothes will come flying off in appreciation. That is an "arrangement." We allow her to give to someone who is not a taker. We become important rather than resented.

This involves a little risk, of course, but the reward is much greater.

Be careful, some of you will be playing with fire. Real escorts know the no call, no contact rules. Civies don't. You can't get away from a girl who knows how to find you.

Golf, this is a very classy approach and when you have time to work it you will, I am sure, wind up with an extremely satisfying relationship. Thanks for explaining it.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 23:11

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?

I am thinking that if we lose girls by bidding too low and also lose girls by not naming any number maybe we should either A. Not name a number; or B. If we name a number it should be high enough to foreclose (most) competition. What do you think? A lot of girls will show up even if no number is named.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 23:07

SB14 was penetrated on schedule. A hard working delivery truck driver it turns out. Short, round above and below with a waist and nice long brown hair. Very unskilled and slow with her technique but happy to be well fucked. She accepted a mouth full of my sperm. I doubt I see her again, but I respect her. She and her kind keep the country running.

**Golfcart** · 05-05-11 19:15

. . . . , it is not "Escorts."

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

(edit delete) My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?

Excuse me, but the present discussion of how to get the girl to the hotel and in bed earlier and how to avoid being outbid is best achieved by seeing an internet escort in the first place. So why is this approach even being considered with a civie? It won't work except with a girl in serious distress. We shouldn't want a girl in distress because we are taking advantage and we will be resented. Nothing good will come from that.

Rather, we should find a girl and meet her for coffee under circumstances where moving things to an unplanned dinner is possible. If things go well at coffee move it to dinner. Put something meaningful in her purse at dinner without saying a word, without looking at her. Let her make the next move and the clothes will come flying off in appreciation. That is an "arrangement." We allow her to give to someone who is not a taker. We become important rather than resented.

This involves a little risk, of course, but the reward is much greater.

Be careful, some of you will be playing with fire. Real escorts know the no call, no contact rules. Civies don't. You can’t get away from a girl who knows how to find you.

**Spitfire** · 05-05-11 17:43

Here is a fairly generic and positive sample ad (not mine) :

I'm a generous 99 year old male looking for a lady who likes to be well taken care of. Let's meet up for drinks or dinner to chat and determine our compatibility. Your time is as valuable as mine, so let's make the most of it. Hoping for a drama free mutually beneficial arrangement.

**Varoom** · 05-05-11 15:33

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?

How to close, when to close, etc. Age old questions.

Sure, we aren't talking about selling here, but in a sense you are selling your purse strings in exchange for a coveted service to the SB. It is damned hard to have the tempo and know how of when to close (make the proper offer in a manner that doesn't scare away the intended target) in an email. I would say that if this is working, for the most part these are what are known as "lay downs" in the business world; aka easy marks, like shooting fish in a barrel.

So since most aren't getting the fish in the barrel types, wouldn't it make more sense to arrange a meeting, for a drink or dinner. Ala courting style, and see what common ground you have with the young lady? This just makes sense to me, but then you may not wish to invest the time of $ in meeting. That could be understood but it seems that one could be missing relatively easy or at least interested targets, (since they have expressed initial interest in being a SB) , by attempting to ink the deal via email. I would think that most potential SB's would be more receptive to a meet and greet, then rub some knees, which allows them to think of this as more than a gash for cash. But then I am just using some business logic here, having little experience in the SB cultivation business, but having lots of exp in the cultivation of getting laid process. Just some ideas for thought here.

**Coolhand2** · 05-05-11 15:23

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.

This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 11:54

SB14 has now reconfirmed this afternoon's hotel room meet two more times. Still no discussion of dinero. I sure hope she has long legs to wrap around my hips, a sweet mouth to suck on my tongue while we're fucking and a deep vagina so cumming inside her will be pleasurable for me. But I don't know. I've never seen her before. Maybe she'll look like a dog.

SB13 has confirmed tomorrow's meet and greet. Chances are revised upwards to 65 percent that I'll fuck her within the next week or two (but not tomorrow). Only one sb has walked away after meeting me, old, bald and fat as I am. That was SB3.

I'm jamming SB16 a little bit, reminding her of how much the hotel room costs to pressure her from the bar where she wants to meet on Saturday up to the room where I can unwrap her and finger her pussy for a while before deciding how I want to fuck her. But this may fall through. I can't be sure she'll even show up.

And as for sb3, there have been additional emails from her today, after a long period in which I didn't hear anything from her. She says she'll come to my hotel next weekend if I get to her area. I'm thinking about it. She is so unreliable, but she has nice ta tas and a big round butt. I'll bet she cums hard. I may try to find out.

Yes, this is a lot of work I know. But I don't mind it too much.

**Varoom** · 05-05-11 10:18

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Ha ha. No thanks.

All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom.

Lit:

Just to be clear, I am not asking you to "out" your own personal profile here. Just possibly compose a sample. But I understand any reluctance to do so.

Actually with the one that I wrote, it seems to be drawing plenty of hits even though many are for age ranges outside of the one that I posted. (54. Which is younger than actual age based on your advice) , and most are "GU"; Geographiclly Undesirable. Outside of an area that I would consider traveling for a SB. Which frankly isn't too far for me, as I wouldn't go more than a 100 mi radius for me. I figure if I can't get laid properly within 100 mile radius then I can't get laid. Which hasn't been an issue to date, just not with SB's.

Another angle that I have cultivated similar to SB's, are dancers. Not the avg ones but those that seem to have their act somewhat together. Void of chemcials, or at least any hardcore habits, that like to hook-up for private parties outside of the establishment. I know this is not the same thing but it functions as such for me. A little more personal contact than a typical escort (also cheaper) and an ongoing fuck if I want it. The crop of a few that I have cultivated here are early to mid 30's and fine in the specimen and performance dept. Just another angle that seems to be much easier than the legwork of finding the gals like Lit and the gang are doing.

One more thing Lit. Even though you deny this, you are surely the gold standard here amongst those of us that post in this thread. No harm no foul that you have SB's not following thru to meetting, (or meating) , it is the fact that you others that are readily plugged into the matrix to replace the dead wood. That my friend. Is impressive. Anyone who has 16 or 17 SB's is the "TRUE SD" in my book. Cheers to Lit2. Varoom.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 09:45

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.

Thanks in advance.

Ha ha. No thanks.

All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 09:27

I may be wrong about never having an sb under 23. SB8 was about 22 but she was really fat and sloppy looking. Besides I didn't fuck her, I just took some pix of her spreading her pussy.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 08:15

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?

I just love that girl's ass.

**Literal2** · 05-05-11 08:09

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.

Cool, it sounds like the 22 year old was frustrating. I've never gotten anywhere with sbs under 23 although at least two promised to meet and then disappeared. My youngest sb to date was 23 and totally whacked out, drinking and smoking, dirty and erratic. Another 23 year old on my list for months disappears when I get close. The young ones are the best trophies, the tightest bodies, the wettest pussies, and the finest to fuck of course, but they are difficult to deal with and pin down.

Re "gold standard." I don't think so. As of 20 minutes ago SB14 had failed to confirm (after I confidently predicted I would fuck her today) and SB15 never responded to my offer of lunch today (which she requested) , so I was going to post about how today was a total loss. I left sb14 a voice mail yesterday as she had requested, so I was bummed. She just confirmed by email so I guess we are on and I do plan to open up her pussy and poke around in there this afternoon after all. However, I don't kid myself about this. Anyone can have a dry spell and I'm sure I will encounter a no-show sb, maybe even sb14 later today. In my case I got started with sbs after a no-show fake Richmond escort named Becka last year. I've just been lucky.

One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.

SB13 hasn't responded to the lunch invitation for tomorrow she requested either and I won't know until tomorrow if sb16 will confirm our meet at a hotel bar for Saturday, let alone whether she will let me fuck her on Saturday which is what I'd prefer.

**Coolhand2** · 05-04-11 19:29

Originally Posted by Richmond Mas [View Original Post]

I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.