"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.

Cool, it sounds like the 22 year old was frustrating. I've never gotten anywhere with sbs under 23 although at least two promised to meet and then disappeared. My youngest sb to date was 23 and totally whacked out, drinking and smoking, dirty and erratic. Another 23 year old on my list for months disappears when I get close. The young ones are the best trophies, the tightest bodies, the wettest pussies, and the finest to fuck of course, but they are difficult to deal with and pin down.

Re "gold standard." I don't think so. As of 20 minutes ago SB14 had failed to confirm (after I confidently predicted I would fuck her today) and SB15 never responded to my offer of lunch today (which she requested) , so I was going to post about how today was a total loss. I left sb14 a voice mail yesterday as she had requested, so I was bummed. She just confirmed by email so I guess we are on and I do plan to open up her pussy and poke around in there this afternoon after all. However, I don't kid myself about this. Anyone can have a dry spell and I'm sure I will encounter a no-show sb, maybe even sb14 later today. In my case I got started with sbs after a no-show fake Richmond escort named Becka last year. I've just been lucky.

One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.

SB13 hasn't responded to the lunch invitation for tomorrow she requested either and I won't know until tomorrow if sb16 will confirm our meet at a hotel bar for Saturday, let alone whether she will let me fuck her on Saturday which is what I'd prefer.

[Coolhand2]

I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.

[Richmond Mas]

It's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.

I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.

I was going to give up, but after reading your post. I am going to change my approach and hang in there.

[Literal2]

On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.

You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?

Ha-ha

It's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.

[CantWinLosin]

I wasted a lot of time haggling over money with one of these a while ago. Looked gorgeous, but too mercenary. These must be traveling pros from Europe, right?

I'm not sure. She indicated she moved from eastern Europe to Chicago in her pre-teen years, had recently moved down here with a "boyfriend" that she had broken up with but was still living with until she gets on her feet, and might move elsewhere if things looked better.

The quality of her English and her mix of European and Chicago accent lends some credence to her story, but then those kind of stories always sound very fishy to me. She said she used to love him, but this girl is soooo blatantly mercenary that I have a very hard time believing she could ever see any male as anything but a source of income.

[Varoom]

She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.

On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.

You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?

Ha-ha

[Literal2]

Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?

She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.

[Varoom]

As suggested, you might try the arrangements site. Also you could try revising your ad / profile. I think the best idea is to keep it short and positive. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.

Thanks in advance.

[Literal2]

I'm still plugging away. I'm continuing to make contacts but I'm having no luck in closing the deal. I had another no-show last week. I've got two 20 somethings I'm emailing back and forth with. One of them I talked to within the last hour. They both seem somewhat ambivalent about what a SB / SD relationship really is. They want financial help; they need financial help but are struggling with the straight forward nature of the transaction. I have tried to soften my approach (based on Lit's advice) and that does seem to allow me to remain in touch. The fact is I don't want a email buddy, I want pussy! I'm still amazed that women sign up for the sight but don't seem to realized what they have signed up for. Maybe I should focus on the 40 somethings.

I'm going to hang in there but a good straight forward provider is looking pretty good right now.

That makes sense to me. You can always mess around with the sbs when you want to. Having a satisfying provider available ensures you won't go without pussy for long. Good luck.

[Literal2]

I met with a potential SB last night for a meet and greet. I'll call her SSB3. She had a SD before and recently moved out of her BF's apartment and is now on her own. She models on the side and sent some of her modeling shots to me so I was encouraged.

But I have to say when I met her in person I was disappointed. I have a thing about teeth and hers were sort of gray and dingy looking. Her body was not also as toned as in the pictures. I was thinking perhaps she had recently had a baby or something, but she says not. I might have to pass or keep her around for emergency purposes. She's looking for a long term arrangement so she might not be open to being a part timer or second teamer.

You have high standards, Spit. I hope you get the pussy you're looking for. I've found most, but not all, of the girls want a relationship / arrangement that goes on for a while. I think it's one way they convince themselves they aren't just doing it for money. Also I think the female mind is wired to do that, whereas we usually like to spread our seed around as widely as possible.

[Literal2]

I saw all these postings on the progress, and I am impressed. I wonder if I am doing something wrong. I have been in the game for one month and still have no bite. Might have to officially drop out of the game. All I got were people from CA and way far to even visit. No luck on any local girls yet. Hell, that's tougher than getting a million dollar government contract.

As suggested, you might try the arrangements site. Also you could try revising your ad / profile. I think the best idea is to keep it short and positive. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[Spitfire]

Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?

[Literal2]

Glad to be mentioned among the group here but I am really just spectating for the most part. Trying to decide if the SB / SD motiff fits into my my repertoire. I have been following this thread closely and have also registered on the sbforme website. Most of what I have received from them is spam and responses from gals that do not fit my profile at all. Also quite a few that are listed on the website are known providers to me, either by personal visit or having seen their ads in the past.

So Varoom is highly amused and interested by the prospects of the SB / SD thing, but for the time being am just seeing well reviewed providers with my mongering. From my perspective it seems that the SB / SD thing requires much cultivation of the SB's in order to result into penetration, as Lit2 refers to it. Not sure whether I will pursue this further or not, but still under consideration for the time being. But know that I will continue to follow the thread with great interest as I evaluate the prospects of fitting this into my activities.

Good mongering to you, Varoom. All kinds of experience can help with nailing down sbs who are sometimes elusive, so comment as you see fit.

[Literal2]

Met a new SB over the weekend. 24, brand new to the area from up north and originally from eastern Europe (and still has a touch of accent, which was sexy) , lovely young lady and a body to die for... but as distant and stand-offish as I've ever seen. She indicated that she's had several big-money SD's in the past including one who shelled out $7K for cosmetic surgery. She was perfectly willing to do whatever sort of relationship I wanted, but was so mercenary about it that it was a complete turn-off. Girls like that tend to be lousy, selfish fucks too. I took a pass.

I wasted a lot of time haggling over money with one of these a while ago. Looked gorgeous, but too mercenary. These must be traveling pros from Europe, right?

Have a couple of new ones scheduled to met: SB4 is an older (early 40s) lady that may not be what I'm looking for physically but seems to have a great attitude. And attitude and experience can make up for mileage.

My SB12 said she was 39 and was great with attitude and also looked good. I know what you mean. But I still hanker after the younger ones.

SB5 is mid-20's and black, which is something I've avoided as my experiences with black girls in the past has been uniformly bad (attitude and constant drama) but this young lady is very attractive and seems to have her head screwed on straight, so I'm going to check her out.

I haven't tried this yet but I've thought about it. Let us know what happens.

Good luck CWL!

[Literal2]

I've been trying to reduce the email chatter with the sb candidates. I've been asking new girls to meet at a hotel in my second or third communication. As reported SB13 and SB14 have agreed to meet. SB14 accepted the hotel meet right away and we are on for Thursday, as reported. Chances of fucking her are high.

Sb 13 asked me to call her and wanted to meet in a public place rather than a hotel for our first meeting. That's on for Friday. I think my chances of fucking her her are 50-50, but not this week.

Late today SB16, another 27 year old, slim, health care provider, accepted the hotel meet proposal in my second email but wants to meet in the hotel bar first. This is set for Saturday. I think chances of fucking her are maybe 60-40.

No more word from SB11 or SB15. I haven't asked the hotel question yet and have email going back months with both of them. SB15 who is the hot girl who seems skilled at the sb / sd business wants to have lunch but doesn't respond to my emails promptly, and SB11 who is the pretty 23 year old student has disappeared for the moment. Chances of me fucking either of these girls are 25 percent, no make that 15 percent, at most.

SB3, a cock teaser I met with months ago near Norfolk and gave sugar to after she sent me a pic of her pussy and who then wouldn't see me alone, emailed me today to ask me when we could get together. I'm not going to go out of my way for her but I may try to work her in when I'm in her neighborhood. Only because of her persistence I'll say the odds of me fucking her in the next month may be as high as 25 percent. But she may just be teasing again.

SB5, a heavy girl with a firm body I fucked in February, more or less by mistake, emailed me a couple days ago to say she was "hot and horny." I said,"sounds like you want to get laid, pretty girl." Today she replied,"Yes. Where and when?" I may slot her in as a back-up if one of the fresh sb pussies falls through.

Trying to learn lessons from these sb experiences, I think I should continue asking the hotel question on the second or third communication. It seems to speed things up and none of the girls has seemed offended.

Secondly, I haven't mentioned any allowance amount to any of the new girls and none of them has asked specifically about it, including the three who agreed to meet me this week. I don't think I have to say anything specific about it in an early communication.

Third, the more email I exchange with the girls it seems the lower the chances of fucking them quickly. Maybe its best to let their female imaginations answer their own questions rather than me try to deal with everything up front.

Fourth, there's no reason to burn a girl off who won't meet at first. She may decide to come around again later.

Just my opinions based on my experience to date. I'm learning as I go along. Others probably have different experiences.