"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Coolhand2]

Amen to April.

Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?

30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.

Your question is a valid one. What was stopping me was the 30 minutes and I had no leeway. I was afraid that if I started something and she was receptive the little head would take control from the big head and I would have a lot of explaining to do. Trust me, I more then you wish I had an answer. It would help me decide if I want to pursue this further. Come on April!

[Jw Themax]

I've had 1 nice sb before but lost her. Went to meet one tonight and I'm in a wheelchair which makes it tough. 30 min drive I find STEPS! She came out and was sexy as hell. My luck!

[Tdog69]

SM's only, I need some help on any white 21-40 lady thats secure, no drama and not over $150 for a visit. Prefer one who does massages.

[Literal2]

Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had.

Amen to April.

Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?

30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.

[Literal2]

Thanks for updating, Cool. This stuff can be frustrating. I had a long dry stretch that seemed to go on for ever a while back. You just have to keep at it. At the same time you can't let security slip.

My second session SB9 yesterday was very satisfying. The session was rushed because I didn't have much time. She says she likes girls too and hinted at us possibly getting together with her hot friends. That would be a fantasy of mine come true but the security would be a nightmare so even if she's serious it will never happen. But I can dream.

Now I am totally out of my little blue pills and have to get the prescription renewed, which will take some time, so I doubt much is going to happen for a while. This is a shame because in addition to SB4 and SB9 another girl who looks hot and is a college student keeps trying to get together with me. She tried calling me through the sb website's anonymous calling service about 10 times yesterday. I have asked her for a more revealing photo though and she hasn't given me one yet. So I'm worried she's chunky or something.

[Coolhand2]

Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had. Nice girl, pictures are accurate and she can actually hold a conversation. To be honest it wasn't the words coming out of her mouth that interested me. We'll have to see where it goes from here. My problem is I can't get to my meeting city until sometime in the 1st week of April. March was not a good month for me as far as SB's go. Here's to a successful April!

[Literal2]

I hope CSB5 went well for Cool.

I've had trouble breaking free to see my two sweetheart keeper utr sb's SB4 and SB9. Even though SB4 is hotter I keep thinking about SB9, her super sensitive nipples and the way she rubbed her wet little pussy back and forth on my hand until she came while she tongued my dick. I also love the way she DFKs. I've only been with her once and with limited vitamin V left I have to make a choice. SB4 is great but I might be risking more of a relationship with her than I want. Besides I've had her three times. I didn't think I'd get free to see anyone this weekend but then I got this sweet email from SB9 saying she wanted another big cum and her allowance. She's very relaxed about sex and very responsive. So Johnson has decided to risk it and sneak out later today and fuck her again. God I love this hobby.

[Coolhand2]

It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!

The votes are in and after careful consideration the selection committee has awarded the coveted designation of CSB5 to the amature! Mid-thirties. 5'8", built nice (if the pictures are correct) , and a really great rack. Don't know if she's a single Mom or not. We're set to meet tomorrow evening after she picks her Mom up from work and takes her home. (What a sweet girl!) I hope to break my bad streak with this one. If so then I can go after CSB6, CSB7, CSB8, etc, etc etc.

[Literal2]

It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!

I hope I'd quit after a couple of cancellations too or just one no show. But Johnson sometimes has his own agenda.

[Literal2]

Cool, that sucks. Tough luck, man. The hottest girls are the ones most likely to cancel.

I've been burned a few times and don't really have any way to prevent it completely.

I'm not looking right now because I have two sb's I can have whenever I get loose and they are the two I want but I can't get loose and may not be able to for another week or so. This is a different kind of bummer but goes with the hobby.

What I've found on the sb sites is that when a girl says she'll meet it doesn't mean anything. She has to confirm and reconfirm a specific time and place. It looks like you did that. The other thing is, if any part of her discussion, for example, about the allowance, sounds like she's not happy she is likely to cancel or not show no matter how much she reconfirms.

Out of seven successful sb episodes so far, I didn't discuss allowance specifically at all before the meeting in three cases. If you do discuss it specifically in advance you will have a better close rate if your proposal is above the market for pros. (I realize this is obvious and not a brilliant insight, but I think it should be mentioned.) My least costly sbs were the ones who never discussed it. The only time I had an extended discussion about allowance was with a Euro babe model type who finally agreed to meet for a ridiculous amount offered by Mr Johnson and gave me her home address and a time but I canceled because she had become too expensive. She then kept trying to reschedule but I kept Johnson out of the discussion and didn't. So I think the less discussion about it the better. Others may disagree, just my views. I'm learning. When it comes to girls I'm a life long learner and never understand them 100 percent.

A certain number of sb girls are very definite right away. The ones like this I've been with already know a specific place they want to meet and will offer it. Sometimes these aren't the hottest girls though. But you can get lucky. One of my ATF's was this way.

[Spitfire]

First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,

Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.

Coolhand

It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.

Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!

[Coolhand2]

The great thing about this hobby is that there are always, always more girls. Good luck.

First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,

Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.

Coolhand

[Literal2]

Google Voice sounds like it may have real benefits for our hobby. I'm going to look into it.

Pre-paid credit cards and phones have potential as well.

Cash at checkout makes sense too.

Thanks.

[KC Questor]

The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.

But your SO wouldn't be suspicious when a second phone starts ringing? So you leave it off and hide it and pray she never finds it.

That's why the Google Voice controls are so great. You can set up individual instructions for every possible incoming call. So someone who would be suspicious goes straight to voicemail (and it will even e-mail you a transcript of the voicemail so you don't have to call in to check it). It shows up as voicemail from an ordinary phone number, which you can even enter in as a contact and name it something unsuspicious like "Office. Shipping Department". The only people who you let ring through are ones you know, or trust to be cool if the wife answers.

The biggest concern a lot of guys have with Google is that it is pretty clear that Google will be archiving the call logs. I might be worried about that if I was dealing with large agencies which might be the target of federal stings. But for calls to independent girls or SBs, I don't care what Google does. That data isn't going to be public or found by a SO.

[Spitfire]

If your SO would be confused seeing you with a burner phone, look into Google Voice. Some people don't like it because Google probably keeps records and it is tied to your phone, but for those guys who can't chance their SO finding a spare phone it is awesome.

Google Voice sets you up with a second phone number and forwards calls to that number to your cell phone (or anywhere you want). You can set up personalized greetings and specific instructions for callers in your contact list or not.

So someone you don't know calls the number and it goes straight to voicemail with a generic message."Stripper Bambi" calls and it goes to voicemail with a personalized message."SB Susan" calls and it rings to your phone, but she doesn't know your real number and if she gets clingy she shunted off to voicemail land or just gets blocked.

The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.